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monmouth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:02 PM Original message |
I'm shocked and then really ticked... |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
1. On the hilarious side though, it's fun listening to white folks say "but he was tumultuous!"... |
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AspenRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. A nearly 60 year old man with a limp and a cane, and a respiratory infection. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. You're not being tumultuous now, are you? |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. One doesn't have to be a threat to officers to be arrested for disorderly conduct. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. "a neighbor's report of two men" - Actually, that's not what the report was.... |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. From the Yahoo article: |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Thanks for correcting what your error about what the woman reported. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. I'm not sure what that even means. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. He had his keys. He let himself in through his back door with his keys. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Regardless, the police WERE "happy" when he showed them ID. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. This just in: they ARRESTED him after he proved he was in his own home. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #26 |
43. ...because he violated the "disorderly conduct" statute by being verbally combative. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:09 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Really? So just how did this 58 yr old lame man with a breathing problem |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #43 |
78. The man can say whatever the hell he wants on his property. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #24 |
75. All they had to do was get the hell off the man's property after establishing that he lived there. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #75 |
89. If you're going to accuse me of bias, at least admit your own. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. I have a healthy skepticism of the police based on their own dishonest behavior. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Except that it was NOT reported by a neighbor. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. I stand corrected...but what difference does that make? |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Because a neighbor implies that she knew who lived there |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. So police shouldn't respond to possible break-in complaints unless it's a neighbor who reports it? |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. What's stupid is those that are so blind they refuse to see. n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. For me, that's the scariest part of this whole awful incident. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. Don't police need a search warrant to enter your house and question you? nt |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:09 PM Response to Reply #22 |
45. Not if they're responding to a complaint. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:14 PM Original message |
Shit, I hope no cops break down my door tonight and arrest me. nt |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
76. What would your reaction be in THIS scenario:? |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. They would have had to look at my ID from the stoop because complaint or no complaint they're not |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. That's fine, but it doesn't answer the question. |
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virgogal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
2. It was a confusing mess for all concerned,and what does the |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Nothing. |
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virgogal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. It was in today's Boston Globe----CNN isn't the only one showing it. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
5. What, in that photo, offends your sensibilities? |
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monmouth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #5 |
72. Perhaps I over-reacted but it just seemed that perhaps with the |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
7. That picture makes me furious but not because of the black cop. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. When the "best and brightest" act like idiots? Absolutely. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. What other smear do you want to promote today? Obama's birth certificate? |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. So you are just going to unquestioningly believe the cops? |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Gates' own reported statements don't even ALLEGE any racist behavior. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. He gave them his two pieces of ID? |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #21 |
48. And his birth certificate! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. LOL! Yeah! |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. .... |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #21 |
77. ...and that would have been the end of it, had Gates not been verbally combative. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. They had their ID. The man can say whatever the hell he wants in his own goddamned house |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #77 |
90. I don't think even you believe that. Verbally combative? |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. I've worked in law enforcement. I KNOW "verbally combative". |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:07 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. In other words you didn't find Prof. Gates obsequious enough |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:20 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. No, I believe Gates may very well have violated the statute...I just wouldn't have arrested him. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. You don't know what his actions were. |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #21 |
85. He was supposed to do a Cab Calloway-type tap dance for the officers. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #85 |
99. No shit. n/t |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #17 |
50. Oooh, verbally combative? Wow, that could really leave a bruise. |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #13 |
83. The cops are probably lying to save their own hides here. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Ah, you're one of those too. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. One who doesn't see "racism" behind every bush when there's none there? |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. A Position Without A Point |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. The racism thing isn't irrelevent. The report was that two black men |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #33 |
57. Then We Disagree |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:17 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. We could be missing each other. |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. I'm Not Defending The Complainant. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. The black cop wasn't the in charge. His sergeant was. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:02 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. How was he "abused"? The police were responding to a complaint. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. How reasonable is it for you to be arrested in your own home |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:17 PM Response to Reply #39 |
60. HE HAD ALL RIGHTS TO BE THERE! |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #60 |
73. How were the police supposed to know it was a "false complaint"? |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #18 |
86. It's not the racism, it's the fascism. Check into it. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. He was TOTALLY defensible. The cops were TOTALLY wrong. nt |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #27 |
49. If it HAD been a break-in, what actions should the police have taken? |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. What's the law in Cambridge? I guess we should start with that. nt |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. If it HAD been a break-in, they should have arrested the burglars. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:39 PM Response to Reply #53 |
70. There are actually two issues being argued in this thread. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
25. This guy did exactly what I would do, too. What right do they have to demand |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:56 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. But he did identify himself. He went that far to solve the problem. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. He didn't even have to do that. They should have had to prove he wasn't the owner. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. He did every reasonable thing that one would do in that situation. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:02 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. I agree. nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. You make a good point about the cops even going inside the residence. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. If they're responding to a complaint of a suspected illegal entry? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:58 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Which he provided. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:16 PM Response to Reply #36 |
58. Yes, he did. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #58 |
87. If the police were "satisfied", they should have left immediately. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:02 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. What about this? |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #38 |
61. That's the 4th Amendment, not the 5th. |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. I would say that being arrested falls under seizure. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:24 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Then almost every domestic violence arrest would require a search warrant. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. So the bill of rights is wrong at this site? |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:27 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Key word: "Unreasonable" |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:27 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. But is that the law in Cambridge, MA? nt |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #32 |
56. What part of 'he showed them ID' did you miss? |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. He wasn't arrested for being in his house, he was arrested for disorderly conduct. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #64 |
81. In his damn house |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #64 |
91. No, that's not a fact. That is an allegation in a police report written by the same assholes |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:22 PM Response to Reply #64 |
98. You have no proof of his conduct, do you? |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #56 |
69. I think he's pissed because Gates demanded the officer provide his name first. nt |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #69 |
82. Which Gates had every right to ask for and the officer was required to provide. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. According to the officer, he DID give his name. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. So what? I believe Gates. Racially profiling cops always cover their asses by lying. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #92 |
100. Me, too. Gates, zip history of this stuff. Cambridge police, history. |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
35. the pic is gone now, but i took the poll on the lower right on health care |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
74. This whole thing could have gone down much easier |
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