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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:21 AM Original message |
Dr. David Himmelstein says Dr. Howard Dean is lying about the Obama health care proposal. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
1. Yes, that group is out to discredit him. |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. I'm not sure Dean is helping himself when he makes those statements. If the quotes are accurate, |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. The plan Obama once spoke of WOULD do that. |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. But it doesn't seem to do that now. It's hard for me to see where Dean is justified |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Medicare is like single payer. |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Is the Obama plan, the plan Dean was talking about, like Medicare? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #13 |
100. He isn't. I had this same argument last week and it was correctly |
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Kid Dynamite (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Dean is claiming there is no compromise |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
2. Multiple problems with this. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Sebelius yesterday praised the Senate actions |
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Kid Dynamite (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #2 |
14. And yet not one of them is anywhere near what Howard Dean |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
4. Dean certainly did toture language pretty badly in that statement... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Well, that group is sabotaging Dean's efforts. They are doing it deliberately. |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
28. or, is PHNP seeking clarity and accuracy? or??? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. The founder of PNHP called him a liar. The article is posted here in this forum. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
63. Obama shut single payer out fron the start and Dean didn't say a thing. Now he wants to be single |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
8. Congrats to Himmelstein and PNHP |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
9. Oh brother! Obviously Dean is trying to explain it in terms people understand. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
10. why am i not surprised you posted statements from a d-bag that's negative about a good dem... |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Is the post inaccurate? |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. but is it true what Dean said? Are these proposals |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Perhaps this "Dr. Himmelstein" is a liar. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Medicare is like single payer. He has advocated opening Medicare. |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #34 |
46. yep. are these Congressional proposals similar to opening up Medicare to those under 65? |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. you're not looking hard enough. How much do you know about Medicare? |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. I know a fair amount. I am a health care practitioner. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Ahhh, NOW I understand. How many of your patients need Medicare to live? |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. who is profiting off the system? I don't bill Medicare. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. So, you actually have no first hand experience of the single-payer Medicare system. |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. okay, I am not going to continue this piece with you much further because |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Dean never called Himmelstein a liar |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #74 |
127. Maybe becuase Himmelstein doesn't lie? (n/t) |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Ok. I am happy to discuss the real-world implications for patients who need reform to live, anytime |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. I am ready now if you will please stop the attacks. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Excuse me? The opening post: "Dr. Dean is a liar" Ludicrous & inflammatory. |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. when/if you want, please contact me privately to continue. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #34 |
69. Republicans are like Democrats. They are both political parties. Many people see it that way. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
11. We are so screwed. |
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Kid Dynamite (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. I don't think it is important if they call him a liar or not |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Wow. So you think Dean is screwing us. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Mad, you forgot to welcome this new poster to DU! |
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Kid Dynamite (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. These are trying times |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. There are many new "lobbyists" here. |
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Kid Dynamite (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. No lobbying |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Isn't it amazing the lengths people will go to in order to derail healthcare? |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. do you realize that you are scapegoating the original poster? |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. hahaha, like I give a crap. What about calling a longtime public advocate a LIAR? |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. It IS harsh language and very painful and scary to hear. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Oh, please stop it. |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. I don't think so. I doubt they are the "enemy". |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. There are enemies on the left and right. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. I already know Dr. Dean, have for many years. His motives are not in doubt. -eom |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
58. Most of them are recruited from the lobby of a skid row flophouse. |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. hey.... how about sticking to the points of the post rather than |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. hey, how about pointing out something substantive to the healthcare debate? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. I consider the OP an attack on an honest man. |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. it IS harsh language and very painful to hear. Now, as to the content-- |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Did "Dr. Himmelstein" misspeak? What are his credentials anyway? |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. It certainly is possible that Himmelstein misspoke. Let's try to find out. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. "Dr. Himmelstein" is one of these "my way or NO way" characters who want to kill reform |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. The OP was a personal attack on an honest man. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. No, he is portraying it as it "once" was. Trying to keep things honest. |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:16 AM Response to Reply #19 |
139. The ' winner' of any war writes the history. What puzzles me... |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
78. Dean is a good man and has done good things but the public option was not one of them. He should |
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Kid Dynamite (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #78 |
86. I am not at all perturbed |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. I agree. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #78 |
92. He DID call for single payer to be at the table. Over and over. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. I have asked you before to give me a link to when Dr Dean demanded that single payer advocates be |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. I have posted many of the videos where he said it out loud in the DU videos |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. I never read where Dean called on Obama to include single payer advocates in the talks. I still |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Well, by golly, I have posted it many times. I am glad you are not saying I am lying. |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
39. Don't be calling Howard Dean a liar |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
43. Okay, here is what's wrong with what Dean said. |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. So anyone can sign up for the public option |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. I haven't seen that in any of the Congressional proposals, sadly. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #52 |
65. Anyone who can get insurance from the exhange can choose the public option. |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #65 |
81. Well that narrows it down from anyone can choose the public option. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #81 |
93. The only people who can't use the exchange are those who have good coverage at work. |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #93 |
111. The public option in the exchange |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #93 |
117. I don't think that is the reason. I think they don't want |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. Anyone who currently lacks employer-provided insurance can. |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #43 |
62. thanks. That's helps clarify. I haven't checked out the primary sources, |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
53. I hate to see DU being used like this. |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Dean is a great person. I like him a great deal. Let's find out |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. I have followed his efforts on this. Stop with the "let's find out" |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. DU is being used to discredit a former party chair and a doctor. |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. no, I don't think so.... another perspective is that we need more information |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. Dean's comments were honest if you paid attention. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
55. “Medicare doesn’t have to compete,” Himmelstein said. “That’s why it’s so efficient.” |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #55 |
67. Dean was speaking of a possible plan. That is very obvious. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. The public option will have to compete with private insurance |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #73 |
83. I know the difference. You won't get what you want. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #83 |
118. Here is what I want, everyone to be covered by the same plan... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #118 |
125. You act as though Dean had no experience and no background... |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #67 |
76. oh gees...."To your group"?? lots of assumptions going on here... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:23 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Calling a man a liar in public tends to discredit. |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. well, from my perspective, we might actually be |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Bull hockey. |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. Again. I NEVER CALLED DEAN A LIAR, I DOUBT HE WOULD |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #76 |
120. I happen to believe that companies should not make a profit |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
68. "Dr. David Himmelstein is associate professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Yup, he's one of the "MY way or NO way" reform killers. -eom |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #70 |
97. Do you have a link to back that up, or are you just venting? |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #97 |
105. Have you read his actual testimony? He calls anything but single payer "nonsensical". |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #105 |
116. Have you read what just passed out of three committees in the House? It establishes |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #116 |
131. Read this post above this one ^ |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:33 PM Response to Reply #116 |
132. "Naive"? ha! "Naive" is lobbying Max Baucus for single payer! You are hilarious. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:57 AM Response to Reply #132 |
135. you go ask for Romney Care, since that's your idea of providing healthcare to sick people |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #135 |
136. I have never commented on the MA program, so you are completely lost. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:06 AM Response to Reply #136 |
137. I once was lost, but now I'm found; |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:14 AM Response to Reply #137 |
138. I don't live in MA. Why don't you take that up with someone who lives there? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:04 AM Response to Reply #138 |
140. Oh. If you aren't interested in what they do in MA and whether it works or not then that's fine. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 04:52 PM Response to Reply #70 |
115. So he should support a plan that he thinks will not achieve the |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #68 |
77. Dr Dean has good credentials also. This is utter futility. You are determined |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #77 |
121. Exactly, when someone misrepresents the facts eveyone gets |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
88. So who is this Himmelstein, and how is he tied to the DLC |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Judge for yourself |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. in other words, he is a progressive, honest physician... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Calling another doctor a liar....why would he do that? |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #95 |
103. People do not have the time to sift |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. It only takes one group organized on a forum to ruin a reputation. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Yup, the "having nothing is better" crowd, because surely we'll get it right "next time". |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #104 |
110. Of course it alienated them |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. I think the Obama admin will do away with Medicare and Social Security |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. the so-called "public option" is a joke/distraction/mockery of a real public plan. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. So, according to that speculation, we should just do nothing? Is that your suggestion? -eom |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #109 |
119. of course not, i never made such a suggestion. nt |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:35 PM Response to Reply #119 |
133. You're right - you have no "suggestions", only criticisms. How productive. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. Folks should read the link transcript to see what Himmelstein and Sid Wolfe are saying.. |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
108. Obamacare? WTF?? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. Yes. Himmelstein is against what Obama wants. He is using rw words. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #108 |
114. Dr. David Himmelstein never said Obamacare n/t |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #114 |
122. Starting at 3:00 into this video |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. He wants a public option like Medicare. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:24 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. That was the first time I heard Dean equate SP with the public |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #122 |
128. Thanks for posting this. Looks like Himmelstein is correct. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:31 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. Other statements here as well.. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
126. Dean is either seriously ignorant or he's Lying! (n/t) |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:29 PM Response to Reply #126 |
130. Why can't we have single payer? |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:38 PM Response to Reply #126 |
134. Or those latent Dean haters are using the healthcare debate to take aim at their favorite target. |
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