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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 06:59 PM
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Dead Zones & Ghost Malls
from the Booman Tribune:



Dead Zones & Ghost Malls
by Steven D

Tue Jul 21st, 2009 at 09:04:50 AM EST


Been shopping recently? Done a drive by of the local strip malls? I did the other night, when we were looking for an anime/manga store my daughter likes to go to in one of the more highly commercialized districts of our city. She couldn't remember exactly where it was (okay, we were lost) but until we did find it, what struck me was the number of vacant buildings and storefronts, some still with the old logos of the stores that had recently been in business there tattooed on their facades, but many others just shockingly bare, with signs advertising all the available space.
The largest I saw said that the space for rent had 85,000 square feet available, but there were several others that at one point must have housed large retail establishments, and now lay dead, no cars in the parking lot outside. And this was on a Friday night, a relatively busy shopping evening around here.

Well it seems my midsized metropolitan area (roughly 1 million total people) is not an outlier, as the statisticians like to call them. The problem of retail vacancies is a growing one all across the country as many stores downsize or simply go out of business altogether:

According to Reis Inc., retail vacancy rates jumped considerably during the second quarter and its metrics for neighborhood and community centers and for regional malls each hit new highs.

For neighborhood and community centers, net absorption for the quarter amounted to negative 7.9 million square feet—greater than the negative absorption for all four quarters of 2008 combined. The figure was down only slightly from the 8.1 million square feet of negative absorption posted in the first quarter. The vacancy rate jumped to 10.0 percent—the highest level since 1992. (...)

On the regional mall front, the vacancy rate hit 8.4 percent—the highest figure since Reis began tracking regional malls in 2000.


Even the wealthiest cities in America are not immune. Here's a story from the New York Times today describing the effect of greater vacancies in retail space in Manhattan:

As New Yorkers have drastically cut back, the shops that line the streets, from chain outlets to family-run shops, have started to disappear.

The storefront vacancy rate in Manhattan is now at its highest point since the early 1990s — an estimated 6.5 percent — and is expected to exceed 10 percent by the middle of next year, according to data gathered by Marcus & Millichap Research Services, a national real estate investment brokerage based in Encino, Calif. (...)

“I’ve never seen such an across-the-board problem,” said Lorraine Nadel, a lawyer who has represented tenants and landlords for 18 years. “Store owners can’t pay their rent, and they can’t keep their businesses going.” (...)

The outlook is even worse in other boroughs. Hessam Nadji, managing director of research services at Marcus & Millichap, estimates that vacancy rates in Brooklyn and Queens, currently at 7 to 10 percent, will rise to 12 to 15 percent by year’s end. He said some neighborhoods have been ravaged by vacancy rates of 25 to 40 percent.


We've all read the stories of residential developments that have turned into ghost communities of empty homes as foreclosures mounted and many homeowners simply walked away from their mortgages. Now the second wave of the Great Real Estate Abandonment is upon us. How many lives have been ruined, and how many more will be because Wall Street played casino games with the US real estate market? Who can say, but the more small businesses that shutter their doors, the more small business bankruptcies, the more employees let go, the longer the pain will be felt, no matter how much money Exxon Mobil and Goldman Sachs rake in. Wall Street was saved for the "Greed is Good" crowd but they don't seem inclined to help save the rest of the country. But then again, as they would tell you themselves, that's not their job. Their job is to make their own bottom line look better not improve the health of the national economy, and when the government gave them money to save their industry that's exactly what they did:

Many of the banks that got federal aid to support increased lending have instead used some of the money to make investments, repay debts or buy other banks, according to a new report from the special inspector general overseeing the government's financial rescue program.
The report, which will be published Monday, surveyed 360 banks that got money through the end of January and found that 110 had invested at least some of it, that 52 had repaid debts and that 15 had used funds to buy other banks. (...)

Officials said the program intended to increase the capital reserves of healthy banks, allowing them to make more loans. From the beginning, however, the government invested in troubled banks -- most prominently Citigroup -- that had publicly announced intentions to reduce lending.

The government has also used the money to encourage mergers, such as Bank of America's acquisition of Merrill Lynch and PNC's deal for National City.(...)

... Banks were asked to describe how they used the money, but they were not asked to break down the amounts.

One response, which the report described as typical, said the money had been used "to make loans to credit worthy customers, and to facilitate resolution of problem assets on our books."


Yeah, bet there's been a whole lot of facilitating going on. Just ask Goldman Sachs. But money that has found its way into the hands of real people to keep this economy afloat? Hey, don't you know that to a lot of banks real people, like the ones who operate small businesses or hold mortgages, are just "problem assets" these days? And boy howdy, are we being resolved.


http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2009/7/21/9450/47532



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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 07:08 PM
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1. There's actually a website - deadmalls.com
http://www.deadmalls.com/

You can look up your state at that site for a list of dead malls and the history of the mall.

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Danmel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 07:21 PM
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2. So much retail space has been built up
And is still in the planning stages that it is ridiculous. All those years of people buying shit the didn't need with money they didn't have. The proverbial chickens have come home to roost. There are a bunch of empty big box stores : empty linens n things, empty circuit city stores, etc. Who is gonna lease those spaces? And they tore down wooded acreage to build this stuff. Our lifestyle is unsustainable, but no one in a position to say enough will have the courage to say enough.


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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 09:26 PM
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19. The Mall of America is planning a large expansions
and the Mayo Clinic is planning to have some sort of clinic in it.

There's something so appropriate for the U.S. - one of country's premier medical clinics teaming up with the country's largest retail outlet. :sarcasm:


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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 07:23 PM
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3. In my Boom Areas (Research Triangle, NC) there are many shopping centers that are only 1/4 full...
and this is in GOOD AREAS.... Yep... Yet, they are building MORE shopping centers. Go Figure?

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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 07:25 PM
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4. Its back to the 80's plywood plaza's. ...
in my area they built several new strip malls that only have one tenant. The idiots keep building them but can even give the spaces up for utilities.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 07:27 PM
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5. There is a mall under expansion in Syracuse using federal money
that is going under. The store fronts aren't empty, but the retail establishments occupying prime space aren't the kind that can usually afford the rent. Meanwhile, national franchises are pulling out.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 07:28 PM
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6. Not Carousel Center, is it?
(My first job out of college was in the 'Cuse)
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 07:31 PM
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8. Right the first time. The Post Standard referred to it a few days
Edited on Tue Jul-21-09 07:33 PM by hedgehog
ago as the Great Wall of Syracuse. Some contractors walked off the job since they hadn't been paid in weeks.



Developer Robert Congel won big Monday in the opening round of his battle with Citigroup, but his Destiny USA project faces significant legal and business challenges in the months ahead.

State Supreme Court Judge John Cherundolo ruled in Congel's favor on all counts. He ordered Citigroup Global Markets Realty Corp. to resume lending money for the developer's 1.3 million-square-foot addition to the Carousel Center shopping mall -- and to do it by noon Wednesday.

Cherundolo agreed with Congel that Citigroup breached its loan agreement with Destiny in May when it stopped advancing money on its $155 million loan commitment to the project.

The bank said it was withholding the remaining $68.4 million balance of the loan because Congel was at least $15 million over budget, a year over schedule and had not even a single tenant for the expansion. But Cherundolo ruled that all that was irrelevant.

http://blog.syracuse.com/news/destinyusa/
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 07:32 PM
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9. Oh no.....That was one of my favorite hangouts.
That's too bad.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 07:34 PM
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10. The Borders is buried behind that wall.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 07:35 PM
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11. The Borders is gone?
It opened shortly after I got to Syracuse.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 07:38 PM
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12. Not gone, but apparently the parent company is getting out of
Edited on Tue Jul-21-09 07:39 PM by hedgehog
the DVD and music business. The place has looked cluttered and disorganized since construction started. I have to believe their business is down.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 07:40 PM
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13. Likely. I'm surprised they remained in the music/movie biz as long as they did.....
A) Their CDs were always way too expensive
B) Nobody buys CDs anymore
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 07:42 PM
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16. I like classical music, and I'll miss being able to browse the CDs
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 07:41 PM
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15. The fate of Destiny USA may have implications all the way to Washington
Not everyone thinks the plan, known as Destiny USA and still in the early bulldozer stage, is a good idea. Many on the Syracuse City Council consider its tax breaks a waste of public money. Others fear it could damage the struggling downtown area. Others question whether all its dazzling features will ever be built.


One thing is clear, however: Destiny is a classic example of how New York's junior senator has embraced old-fashioned pork-barrel politics, first to build power in the state, then to extend it nationwide as she becomes a leading candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination.

And to fuel her rise, Clinton has relied on the controversial funding device known as "earmarking." The earmarks enabled her to win favor with important constituents, many of whom provided financial support for her campaigns.

In the case of Destiny, she teamed up with other New York lawmakers to secure federal backing for the private investment project. And she collected tens of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from the developer and others associated with the project.




http://articles.latimes.com/2007/dec/10/nation/na-earmarks10
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 09:04 PM
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17. How about using them for housing for the homeless . . . which I never hear Dems mentioning????
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 07:28 PM
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7. Good post.....
From your OP:

"Many of the banks that got federal aid to support increased lending have instead used some of the money to make investments"

What 'investments'? :shrug:

EVERYTHING is contracting right now!
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 07:41 PM
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14. K&R
:kick:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 09:14 PM
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18. they were built to become ghosts one day.
but this is premature

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