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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 09:38 AM
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What is the CIA Program all about? Ockham's Razor
If the Congress was not informed of the spying program maybe we should assume that Congress was being spied on. The least complicated answer is often correct; "Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate"
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 09:41 AM
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1. only certain people were informed
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 09:43 AM
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2. I think that (spying) pre-dates this particular program.
Probably since the technology was invented.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:08 AM
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11. Shadow interests knew 9/11 was around the corner, that's when/why they wanted it: to keep tabs on...
...the climate of opinion re their crimes and subsequent cover up, which was weak...and they knew many would be all over it immediately. And also they'd want it to keep track of anti-war peeps organizing.
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el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 09:43 AM
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3. That doesn't necessarily follow
Particularly when there are alternate and equally simple explanations. Such as the one about "We didn't want to tell Congress because they are a bunch of blabbermouths."

Now that's not a good excuse/explanation, but it is equally simple and logical.

Bryant
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 09:51 AM
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5. Blabbermouths? Damn. Normally you have to wait to hear Limbaugh offer that kind of "insight"
There were a number of clearly illegal programs that the administration was running that they told Congress about.
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el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:04 AM
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8. Well that's who i was quoting
Again, that's not actually a good explanation - but it is believable that the CIA might think that way.

Bryant
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 09:46 AM
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4. Deliberately allowing a known terrorist attack on the US to succeed would also fit
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 09:52 AM
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6. Sorry, but that doesn't pass the "simplest explanation" test. That's more of an ...
... insane conspiracy theory.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:06 AM
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9. insane how?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:08 AM
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12. You're right. I was just being silly. Everybody knew about 9/11, and Bush wanted it to happen.
:silly:
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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:11 AM
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14. Many didn't know but many believe the NeoCONs wanted it to happen
At the least.

And WTC7 is the smoking gun.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:19 AM
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17. PNAC
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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:31 AM
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18. Exactly
What gets me is that in the face of all this damming evidence is how dismissive some folk (shrinking minority) are to any question raised about those horrid events :shrug:

Why would someone not want a thorough investigation against the crime of the century?

That is nutz :crazy:
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:10 AM
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19. Those types are terrified of where that reality would leave them: Responsible
Much easier in the short haul to keep denying and pretending so that truth doesn't interfere w/what they're accustomed to ... which is all too human, but eventually a lot of really bad things come out of that degree of mass denial.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:29 AM
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20. needless hyperbole. I asked you a simple question.
no need to be an asshole about it.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:01 AM
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7. The least complicated explanation is that ALL beholden to these systems are complicitous by degrees
But that's the view that people avoid since it doesn't afford a 'safe' side for them to cling to.
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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:06 AM
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10. Death & Deception
Same as it ever was.
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rusty fender Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:09 AM
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13. What I find hypocritcal is
that Congress is "up in arms" about a lying, rogue agency lying to them, when they made nary a peep when Bush/Cheney lied us into a war in Iraq! I'm so disgusted by all politicians.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:18 AM
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16. Canned anger. They're basically actors following a movie script that's sold to us as "news."
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:16 AM
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15. American death squads
Had to be something so illegal, Cheney knew it would never get approved.
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