They just shut Keith down. WTF is up with that! Him and Jonathan Turley.

[lonestarnot]

Fuck you COX! UCKERS!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. What? Who? I saw the earlier broadcast and everything was normal.

[Seedersandleechers]

2. What are you talking about?

I didn't see/hear any shut down.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

3. Shut down what?

I'm watching Comcast - no problem.............

[BlooInBloo]

4. Are you drinking?

[lonestarnot]

9. Yes.

Soda pop.

[rd_kent]

45. Dude, perhaps you could explain yourself a bit.

Your post makes it seem that something big just happened, yet you FAIL to explain what the hell you are talking about. What gives?

[Richardo]

5. This is why the unrec button.

[lonestarnot]

8. And here I thought you were the reason for that new deal.

[Stinky The Clown]

16. Being a grownup and ignoring the thread would have required ..... what?

Self control?

[bertman]

24. That's too difficult.

Thank you, Stinky.



:thumbsup:

[Richardo]

27. Yeah, exactly as much as not posting the OP in the first place.

Your point?

[Stinky The Clown]

28. Did the OP's existence bother you?

Did it offend you? Did it break some rule or cross some line?

[Hepburn]

37. +1,000 ~~ thank you. n/t

[Political Heretic]

39. Yes, so people can express their petty childishness in brand new and exciting ways!

We didn't already have, Reply, "ignore" "Alert" and "hide thread"

No site in the universe gives more options for hyper sensitive fragile hearts to avoid all forms to discussion or disagreement than this one. That's not exactly something to be proud of, in my book.

DUchoChamber.

[Renew Deal]

40. Because ignoring the thread wouldn't make the same difference?

Or are you an Olberman hater driven to stifle news about him?

:shrug:

[Boomerang Diddle]

6. As soon as Turley came on I hit the mute button.

I'm sure if KO looks hard enough he could find a Constitutional "expert" who isn't so biased against the President and doesn't use his 15 minutes to do nothing but bash Obama.

[Name removed]

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[derby378]

10. Turley serves an important role in post-Bush America

No matter how much time and energy we may have invested in Barack Obama's campaign, people like Turley continue to remind us that Obama must not be given a blank check.

[lxlxlxl]

25. agreed

nothing to add...turley is one guy. he's not on fox or spouting nonsense for three hours a day on a talk show. he's smart, and he represents the questions the country should be focused on.

[Hepburn]

38. Excellent point. n/t

[Caliman73]

44. Well said.

I don't remember Turley giving Bush any slack on the constitution. He was outspoken about Bush's violations and he is just following up on the Congress' and President's duty to uphold the constitution.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

12. I wish he'd get Laurence Tribe, a REAL constitutional scholar.

Turley is really getting full of himself. He was all in favor of the Clinton impeachment, too.

[SoxFan]

15. Amen!

[flyarm]

18. and all in favor of a Bush impeachment..so your point is what??

my point is he is non partisan..but cares more about the constitution than you do perhaps????????

I love J Turleyand i hope to hell Keith keeps him coming so maybe Obama will be forced to do the job he took an oath to perform.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

20. Amen!

You nailed it!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

26. I don't think he cares more about the Constitution than I do.

I care a lot about it, and I used to teach constitutional history so I'm not totally ignorant on the topic. I do think there are many better constitutional scholars than Turley. In fact, he wasn't a con law professor in the first place; his expertise was in environmental law. But during the Clinton impeachment he wrote a rather poorly-reasoned diatribe about why Clinton should be impeached (which is how he got to be a media talking head in the first place), and I've found it a little hard to take him seriously ever since. That's not to say I think he's always wrong; he's not (and he hit Bush pretty hard, and correctly) -- but he doesn't have any original ideas, he just whines. Tribe, who is probably the best-regarded constitutional expert in the country, would be a much more interesting and more credible interviewee. Turley has become basically a publicity hound.

[DrZeeLit]

32. Agree... if he just wouldn't whine so much and maybe expand his repertoire beyond pursed lips.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

19. Tribe's a great one, too -

but considered far too liberal for the M$M He lacks the credibility that Turley has, having stayed true to his Constitutional roots.................

[quiller4]

36. Turley lacks credibility with academics that Tribe has in spades.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

42. Here's my real beef with Turley.

When he gets on Countdown all he does is bitch about how awful it is that the Obama administration is not aggressively investigating the various misdeeds of the Bush Administration, especially the torture stuff. Fine. I agree. I want to see investigations (and prosecutions), too. But here's what I'd also like from Turley or some other (more respected in academic circles?) expert:

1. Why do think the administration is not more aggressive at this point? Are they trying to get other legislation (health care, more stimulus efforts) passed before they start investigating and cause the Republicans to circle the wagons and torpedo all other legislation? Are they getting pressure from the party to back off because some powerful Democrats could go down, too? Do they think it's not important? Do they agree with the Bush Administration's policies? Are they afraid to prosecute Republicans because someday Democrats might be prosecuted for something else? Fair questions, I think.

2. What would the procedure be? How would a prosecutor be chosen, and who would be the likely candidates?

3. How would an investigation take place? Who would do it? How can we be assured it will be done correctly, thoroughly and fairly? What evidence is needed to prosecute successfully?

4. Is it possible that a investigation is taking place behind the scenes and is not being discussed so as not to give the possible targets a heads-up?

5. What federal statutes are at issue? Who should be prosecuted, and what are their possible defenses? Is it better to prosecute under U.S. federal law or allow an international tribunal to handle it? Why?

I don't recall Turley ever addressing any of these questions. While it's fair for him to argue that investigations and prosecutions should occur, his main, indeed his ONLY point is that the Obama administration has a responsibility to do this. Yes, I agree. But it's a complicated deal and I want to know something about how it can and should be done. Less whining, more substance. Turley seems to have made a career out of complaining -- I haven't forgiven him for his bullshit article about why Clinton should have been impeached, which is how he achieved the limelight in the first place.

[madinmaryland]

43. For all of the beef here and elsewhere about Obama not investigating openly,

you have laid out one of the most comprehensive arguments as to why it may or may not be happening. I think a lot of folks here forget item #1, and that this is all polical, and Obama has a large agenda that he wants to get through. If you think the repukes are ugly now, watch what happens if BushCo were to be investigated.

Thanks!

:thumbsup:

[Tangerine LaBamba]

47. Turley's discussed all these matters -

most recently, on Countdown, a couple of weeks ago, when he very plainly discussed what the political ramifications would/might/could be for an administration that would pursue prosecution of deeds done by the preceding administration - the old, well-known, accepted Washington way of doing business which is "I won't tell on you so that the next guy won't tell on me."

He's talked about all the things you enumerate, including various applicable statutes, but he has not done any of this in any depth, given the time restrictions. He's working in a three-minute window, so his answers are, of necessity, more of an outline than anything else.

You don't like Turley, it appears, so, yeah, it's natural to find a lot of faults with him. But you haven't watched closely enough, because he's done a very good job with this. And since you haven't forgiven him for his stance on Bubba, well, my words here are probably a waste of time and energy, but at least I gave it a shot..........................

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

48. Well, then, I guess I missed that broadcast.

All I've ever heard is complaining about how nothing is getting done. I hope to hear more than that in the future. Better yet, I'd like to hear from someone who has some real academic chops, like Tribe. My lack of enthusiasm for Turley only began with his really stupid "analysis" of the Clinton impeachment, and despite his criticism of BushCo -- which really didn't take a constitutional scholar to come up with; anybody who'd passed first-year con law knew how fucked up that was -- I've just never seen much depth from the guy, even considering the time constraints he has to work under. So while I generally agree with his premise, I want to hear what he thinks can be done about it and why. Apparently I missed the single occasion when he did that.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

50. It would seem that

you've missed more than one, but that's all right. I get that you're opposed to Turley on a variety of grounds, but one thing you might keep in mind is that the practitioners of law - the lawyers who actually represent clients, often at the trial level - are the ones who get the commentator jobs in Washington. The "intellectuals" don't really have much of a place here, and my theory about that has been that there's just too much going on, what with the Federal government being one of the great big employers, and all those courthouses needing to be used.

Tribe could never be hired as any kind of viable commentator right now, given his past association with Barack Obama. That would handily taint him and color his every word, a losing proposition. I wonder if Tribe's ever represented a poor person, or anyone unfairly charged by the government, or even a regular person maybe injured in an accident, screwed on a contract. Tribe's up there in the rarefied air, and that does not translate well here in Washington. That's another reason he's doomed as a commentator.

Turley's stayed apolitical and has represented a lot of beat-up clients who needed help. He worked for a long time with an old colleague of mine, Bill Moffitt, who represented, among others, Sami Al-Arian, the U. of So. Fl. professor who was hammered with specious terrorism and conspiracy charges. When Bill died, Turley, who'd been working with him on the case, picked up the mantle and is carrying it on in Virginia, where there is still a contempt citation against Al-Arian.

That's one of the things I like most about Turley - he practices law, he doesn't just teach it.

But, I'm using far too many words to defend Turley. He doesn't need me to proclaim what a good lawyer he is. He just does that on his own..................................

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

52. Point taken. I appreciate that Turley has done good stuff as a lawyer.

Points to Tribe, too, though, for having handled a buttload of appellate stuff, including Bush v. Gore. The fact that he is identified as a liberal probably wouldn't make any difference if he were to appear on Countdown, given the audience. Let's face it, KO is preaching to the choir.

[Spazito]

21. I agree, Professor Tribe would be so much better....

Turley's focus is self-promotion to the detriment of those truly interested in constitutional issues, imo.

[HughMoran]

13. He's just a strong advocate for the constitution

He's really right and I think we all know it. As much as I like President Obama, I really wish he'd step out of the way on this issue. Perhaps after he gets us healthcare reform he'll feel that he's achieved a good amount in a short period of time & step out of the way of the investigations.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

17. Are you serious?

Turley's hardly "biased against the President." He's one of the best in the profession, and as fair-minded as can be. He upholds the Constitution, something this President is sworn to do, but, in many respects so far, has failed to do so.

Perhaps you missed the past years in which Turley took apart Chimpy Fucknuts and his thugs over and over. Did you miss that?

Re-order your thinking and consider what matters more - the President or the Constitution....................

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

33. Turley's a crazy fucking racist.

Re: his comments on Sotomayor and Thurgood Marshall.

Fuck him and his fan base.

[mmonk]

29. Republicans used to do that too.

[flyarm]

30. you bet they did..and now it is apparent the same shit is going down on the dems side! eom

[ShamelessHussy]

34. I always watch the online versions when he is on

He's just doing his job (i can't stand the zealots who permeate the media today) and calling foul no matter who the player is and I certainly appreciate it and applaud him for calling them as he see's them.

[apocalypsehow]

11. Eh? COX on my cable carried the entire show.

:shrug:

[lonestarnot]

14. Went dark over here about half-way through the segment.

[blondeatlast]

22. Mine too (we both have the same feed, I'm fairly certain).

Mine came back a few minutes later, though.

[johnaries]

23. Jeebus! DON'T DO THAT! I thought from your post

that they had completely cut KO's segment mid-show.

Please show some restraint in the future.

[Catherine Vincent]

31. Turley's been getting a lot of sun. nt

[Z_I_Peevey]

35. Ha!

And I thought I was the only one who noticed. He's really working it, isn't he? Spokesmodel/scholar.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

51. He and his wife

have three very young children, and they're out and about at all sorts of games and things going on in local parks and pools. The weekend tans are quite common.

He lives not far from us, here in The People's Republic Of Alexandria, VA (as it's known hereabouts).............................

[RebelOne]

41. I saw the complete show last night and then

the re-run this morning. I have Comcast.

[Butch350]

46. Congratulations, you reached puberty today?

[NoPasaran]

49. Was your refrigerator running?