Watch Louisiana deputies choke a guy to death for drugs in his mouth.

[Flaneur]

http://video.aol.co.uk/video-detail/louisiana-dash-cam-shows-police-choke-man-to-death-for-drugs-in-his-mouth-july-11-2009/755710581

This happened last week.

I will preemptively note that this guy would probably be alive today if he had not resisted, if he had complied.

That said, you really have to wonder about this incident. Was it really necessary to choke this guy to death in order to save a trivial amount of drug evidence? What is the law enforcement mind set that values a bust over a life?

This is your war on drugs.

[UndertheOcean]

1. WHAT THE HELL !!!!!!!

[Aramchek]

2. the officer involved should be jailed for 2nd degree murder

he wanted his bust more than he wanted the suspect to live.
that much is obvious.

[dixiegrrrrl]

3. It is not clear if he choked on the drugs or by the cops, nor if he is dead.

Seems unconscious, yes.
Video mentions he had a small baggie in his mouth.

[Aramchek]

4. he is dead. they could have pumped his stomach later if they wanted the baggie.

they didn't have to obstruct his airway while he was attempting to swallow.

the cop was poorly trained. and as a result, a man is dead.

[BunkerHill24]

5. Looks to me the officer was more concerned getting the evidence than the man's life

[UndertheOcean]

6. Human life is cheap to those thugs .

[Joe the Revelator]

16. Oh jesus christ, another DU cop hater

Please know that your post is embarrassing.

[UndertheOcean]

21. was choking the guy to death worth it , for what ? for drug evidence.

OINK OINK

[Name removed]

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[UndertheOcean]

25. The officer was more concerned about getting the contents of the mans mouth , rather than cuffing

him.

I saw the disgusting video in its entirety.

[Joe the Revelator]

27. Apparently you didn't watch the video at all

It starts when the guy pulls his arm away, and it continues with the officer on the guys back telling him to "lay down", "give me your arm" and "spit it out".

Again I ask, would would you rather the officer do? Let the guy on his merry way, driving drunk? Glad to know that your compassion does not extend to the innocent drivers that guy was putting in danger.

[UndertheOcean]

30. No , I saw the video , I would prefer the officer cuffed the guy , and let him swallow the damn bag.

[Joe the Revelator]

37. It was clear in the video that the guy was not going to let the officer cuff him

The guy stayed on all fours and tried to throw the cop.

[slampoet]

133. Then stop arguing since you agree the officer DID THE WRONG THING.

[Gwendolyn]

54. Trouble was, the cop already had one cuff on. If he had let him go...

...that would've been an instant weapon. Like nunchaku attached to the wrist, so the only option was to to hang on somehow and get the other hand cuffed. The cop tried to pepper spray him but that got knocked out of his hand. People on meth often have super human strength and he was huge besides. Also, big dude was starting to bounce them toward the highway. This would've been a great time for the old taz but guess it wasn't really an option. Or shoot the dude, which would've been as bad as the end result. Couldn't pay me enough to get that close to people like the dead man. He had already been to prison 8 times and guess there was no way he was going back.

[BunkerHill24]

31. calling someone disgusting makes you look disgusting...

because you do not agree with someone's opinion does not make them disgusting. Grow up.

[Joe the Revelator]

33. Having a post consisting of nothing but "OINK OINK" is disgusting and childish

[BunkerHill24]

38. Grow up Joe...n/t

[Joe the Revelator]

42. So I take it that you're implying "oink oink" is perfectly acceptable to civil discourse when d

discussing police. Outstanding.

[Baikonour]

101. That "mountain of a man" didn't have a gun, pepper spray or a metal baton.

Your point is moot and mildly offensive.

[Joe the Revelator]

105. Whats offensive about it? The officer didn't pull his gun, the man knocked the pepper spray out of

his hand, and I didn't see the metal baton come out. Either way, the big man didn't respect any of those things when he decided to resist arrest.

[Baikonour]

107. The officer could simply pulled out his gun and ordered the man to stay on the ground until back up

arrives. I guarantee you that the man would have complied. Instead the cop let animalistic rage overtake him and he ended up killing a man, guilty or not.

What's offensive is that you're defending these mental midgets when they have no right serving or protecting us.

[Joe the Revelator]

108. Lets say he does that, and the man continues to shove drugs in his mouth and runs and gets back in

his truck. Does the cop shoot him at this point? Would you not complain or villify the cop if he did?

He ordered the man to open his hand. The man refused. He ordered the man to spit out the drugs. The man refused. He ordered the man to lay prone on the ground and allow him to handcuff the man refused.

At what point do you think the man would start listening to the officer?

and I find your implication that all cops are "mental midgets" small minded, misinformed, and more then mildly offensive. Not to mention the fact that you quickly jump to the defense of a out of control meth head driving on the interstate putting everyone in danger while he's high.

[Baikonour]

109. So get the man on the ground and cuff him. Let him swallow the drugs.

And pump his stomach later. The cop only cared about getting his evidence and his quota for the month, most likely.

[Joe the Revelator]

110. Watch the video. Thats what the officer is doing from the outset, trying to get the guy on the

ground and cuff him. Then the big guy begins to act like a bucking bronco, bucking towards traffic.

[Baikonour]

113. The bottom line is..

This murder could have been prevented a lot of different ways. The cop should be immediately fired and the family of the victim should press charges.

[varelse]

114. No, you're right

choking the guy to death was the only way.

[Moochy]

39. Oh look another one for an ignore list

please note that your post is embarrasing.

[Joe the Revelator]

44. If you agree with UndertheOcean, then by all means, put me on ignore

The less people like you I'd have to deal with, the better.

[Moochy]

50. Yeah because thinking hurts your lizard brain.

[Joe the Revelator]

53. So far you've offered nothing other then insults

If you want to make me think, start talking some sense.

[Moochy]

59. Why bother ?

You are clearly biased to the point of incoherence.

[Joe the Revelator]

62. I'm making points Moochy, you're runnning around like a headless chicken

You come in all guns blazing, but no bullets. Its sad, really.

[Moochy]

65. Yeah almost as sad as the dead victim of nonexistent police brutality

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

119. That's funny, someone who uses the ignore feature calling someone a "non-thinker"

[Moochy]

129. Yeah its so much better to just read the same vapid pro-violence viewpoint

over and over. Do you know everyone has a Lizard Brain?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

131. Who on earth is pro-violence? I hope they aren't allowed on DU.

[Moochy]

132. Maybe you have the poster on ignore too

:shrug:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

135. I have never put anyone on ignore.

[Moochy]

136. My how brave and honorable you are for never ignoring anyone!!!111

:eyes:
Then you see the posters who are arguing that choking and breaking the suspect's neck was the right choice of action. I choose to ignore posters like that.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

137. No sense in ever having your ideas challenged, I get it. Just can't do it myself.

[Moochy]

139. Yeah i get it you are open minded and like to read "challenging" drivel

I'm closed-minded and don't. got it.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

141. Glad we understand each other.

:toast:

[spiritual_gunfighter]

155. Killing someone because they have drugs in their mouth

is far more embarassing.

[cabluedem]

43. The Roman Centurions have returned. nt

[Joe the Revelator]

15. He was an asshole who tried to swallow a plastic bag while resisting arrest

How is this the officers fault again? If anything the officer was trying to save the guy by telling him to STOP trying to swallow a plastic bag.

[anigbrowl]

19. Destruction of evidence is not a capital crime. That's a foolish excuse.

[Joe the Revelator]

20. No but shoving a ton of narcotics in your mouth, as well as a plastic bag will cause you to stop

breathing. Resisting arrest on the side of a dark street will also have a cop ride your back until you calm your ass down.

[anigbrowl]

29. Bullshit

You can hold stuff in your mouth without necessarily choking. Most likely he was hoping to spit the baggie out once in the back seat of the cop car and shove it in between the seat cushions or whatever. If the cop was actually worried about the guy choking on the bag of drugs he could have used a heimlich maneuver. You do not try to clear an airway by crushing it in a choke hold. I was not born yesterday, you know; your armchair lawyer act is ridiculous.

[Joe the Revelator]

32. So is your wanna be cop act

This dude outweighed the officer by 150 pounds, resisted arrest, and tried to swallow a plastic bag full of narcotics.What would you like the cop to do? Ignore the fact that he is resisting arrest? Pat him on the ass and send him on his way? Apologize for trying to take his drugs away? Sorry he died, but it was his stupid fault. Not to mention he was driving around on the interstate under the influence.

[anigbrowl]

47. I don't think I'm the wannabe cop here

Enjoy your straw man arguments.

[Joe the Revelator]

49. So you don't want to answer any of those questions?? How is it a strawman to ask you what YOU would

do in that situation?

[anigbrowl]

78. Your questions don't deserve answering

What would you like the cop to do? Ignore the fact that he is resisting arrest? Pat him on the ass and send him on his way? Apologize for trying to take his drugs away?

It's a strawman to supplement your opening question with 3 bullshit rhetorical questions that effectively put words in the mouth of the other person, as I'm sure you understand perfectly well.

[Joe the Revelator]

84. Just say that you can't answer the question because it would hurt your agenda

Here, I'll make it easier by taking about 2/3 of the questions. What would you have done in that situation?

[anigbrowl]

92. Again with the strawmen.

I am perfectly OK with the deputy arresting the guy, and using reasonable force, and have never suggested otherwise, despite your insinuations. Choking him by crushing his airway with his forearm is not reasonable, and that's what everyone is objecting to, despite your attempts to divert attention away from the question with the implication that other people think the cop should have just let the guy go or only give him a stern talking-to.

Now take your weasel words and stick 'em where the sun don't shine, because it's obvious that your whole debating style consists of trying to bulldoze your opponents with cheap rhetorical tricks in the hope that they'll give up and go away: it's tired and predictable and it's been seen about a thousand times before.

[Joe the Revelator]

96. Its hard to have a serious conversation with you when you make up facts

A. We don't know that his airway was crushed, and if it was it was crushed by the cop. Nothing here states that, other then a broken neck bone. The esophagus is not a bone.

B. Define reasonable force. Jumping on the back of a man twice your size seems reasonable to me. All the deceased had to do was allow himself to be handcuffed and not stuff a baggie of drugs in his mouth.

It seems that your debating style consists of personal attacks against me, throwing around the term "strawman" when it is clear that you have NO idea what it means, and making up facts.

[anigbrowl]

140. You are the one making up facts

I did say his airway was crushed, I said that crushing it with his forearm was unreasonable. If you are unable to appreciate the difference between these two statements then I suggest a remedial English course. But feel free to go on repeating your BS to yourself.

[BunkerHill24]

28. Did you watch the video? And if you did, do you recall the knee blows

to the kidneys the officer was performing? You must be blind not to see a fault by the officer in this case.

[Joe the Revelator]

35. That is SOP when a person is resisting arrest in the manner that this man was

I'll ask you as well, what would you rather the cop do? Let the guy who outweighed him by 150 pounds beat him up? Let the guy get away? What would you do in that situation?

[Moochy]

40. If only the cop had a taser!

or other some such technofascist enabling device.

[Joe the Revelator]

46. So you'd rather the cop....what? Get his butt whipped by this hoss of a man? Let him go?

Lets hear your ideas couch warrior.

[Moochy]

51. I think you think that more violence can solve any problem!

Or is that too revelatory for you joe?

[Joe the Revelator]

56. So, again, you have no answer. Its a simple question. If you're alone with that big ass man, what do

you do when he starts bucking you around like a bull.

[Moochy]

61. KILL KILL KILL

[Joe the Revelator]

63. What would you do under the same situation

I know its hard to actually make a substantive post, but give it a shot.

[Moochy]

67. I would have broken the guys' neck

The same action you are defending!

[BunkerHill24]

68. Lol@ "Big ass man"

Watching the vedeo...the big ass man was the officer in this case...being on top of the victim the entire time and chocking him to death.

[Joe the Revelator]

70. You're kidding right? The guy in the car had the cop by at least 150 pounds

If he would have stopped fighting and allowed the officer to handcuff him, he would have been alive to have his day in court.

[BunkerHill24]

73. I am not saying the victim is without a fault of his own

but the force used in this case is unnecessary, as a result, human life is lost.

[Joe the Revelator]

75. I'm asking this not to be a jerk, but nobody has answered it: What would you do?

Does the guy get off and get to continue to drive down the road, high, because he's bigger then the cop and doesn't want to be arrested?

[Gwendolyn]

79. No. Another vid shows big ass man as he stopped and forgot to put the truck in park...

...before he got out. He was obviously a hazard and for sure I wouldn't want anyone I knew or loved to be his victim.

The dude also had so much wrong with his heart, and being high on meth, he might've expired if the cop had managed to tazer him as well. The cop kept yelling to spit it out, among other stuff, but clearly he was trying to get the cuffs on him, which is what he was supposed to do. It's the "spit it out" part that has people all outraged. But the dude needed to be taken off the road, regardless.

[BunkerHill24]

83. Same argument can be made about police high speed chases

"If the bad guys hadn't run, none of this would have happened."...doesn't work anymore. Police officers should "protect", and Serve. The word "protect" also applies to alleged criminal.

[Joe the Revelator]

85. I disagree...you let a drunk/high driver back on the interstate and he kills some family of four

I would be pissed 3 ways to sunday. Also, it would teach criminals that all they need to do is try to beat up the cop, resist arrest, and they can be home free. That is a terrible slippery slope you're advocating.

The instances with stopping a high speed chase are highly regulated as to when the chase out weighs catching the suspect. In this case, there is no reason to allow the guy to run away and get back on the interstate. He was endangering no one but himself and the officer.

[Gwendolyn]

89. Oh please...

If the cop had let go and the dude had knocked half his face off with the attached cuffs, sped away and ended up killing a family of four, the SAME people would be posting about what chicken sh*t, dildo donut eaters all cops are.

[BunkerHill24]

90. The way you are arguing

you seem as you are trying to build legal case for the innocence of the officer involved.

Good luck!

[Joe the Revelator]

91. Not at all....I think the video makes that fairly clear...I just get sick of the couch warriors

second guessing the reactions of the officer who was actually in the situation.

[BunkerHill24]

95. "second guessing the reactions of the officer who was actually in the situation. "

That is it! None of us should ever question or second guess what our police officers do to us. Heck, why not give them a free hand to arrest anyone as they so please...and not second guess them? I think police officers (not all, but many) are reactionaries, and need to put on a leash, emo.

[Joe the Revelator]

100. Which brings me back to the question of "What would you do"

[wildbilln864]

103. He could have waited for backup. nt

[Joe the Revelator]

106. What do you do with the guy in the mean time?

[BunkerHill24]

57. As Aramcheck puts it:

"The Cop was poorly trained, and as a result, a man is dead"

See post# 4

[Joe the Revelator]

60. What should he have done then? The guy wouldn't allow himself to be handcuffed

He taking the officer towards the interstate. What does the officer do?

[Ghost in the Machine]

117. "What would you do in that situation?" See, cops have these little magic boxes

that they talk into and all of a sudden other cops show up.

Oh, wait... those magic boxes are called radios. Use it and call for backup when you're in over your head. I know that having that gun on your side and badge on your chest gives some (most) of you guys a false sense of superiority and security, but you need to have sense enough to know when to call for backup.

Here's the deal, Joe... I'm 6'3", 275 lbs & have trained in wrestling, boxing, kick boxing, judo, karate, kung fu, taekwondo and mixed martial arts for most of my life..... do you think you could cuff me if I didn't want to let you do it?

[Joe the Revelator]

120. HEre's the deal Ghost, He DID call for backup. Its the 5 minutes where you're waiting for backup to

arrive that you have a problem. This entire thing went down in 7 minutes.

[Ghost in the Machine]

142. 5 whole minutes, huh?

Jeez, you'd think a cop would be smart enough to keep someone in control for 5 whole minutes before backup arrives... if he had any wits about him at all.

Most times, when dealing with irrational people, you have think on your feet, Joe. "Ok, big man... you don't want to go to jail? Well come on back over here to this side of the car, away from the dangerous highway, and let me get that cuff off of you, man. We need to do it over here because I'm concerned about both of our safety. Come on man, come over here and lets get this taken care of. You don't want to go to jail and quite honestly, I don't want to take you. Hell, I get off in 20 minutes and I have a hot date tonight. I don't want to get tied up doing all the extra paperwork... come on over here...." At least keep him distracted with the gift of gab....

The last thing you want to do is further enrage an already mentally unstable person, especially if he outweighs you by 150 lbs...

The officers should have let him swallow the bag, then transported him to the hospital where an x-ray would verify the ingestion of the baggie and they could either pump his stomach or fill him up with a laxative and wait for nature to take its course....

There were all kinds of other options besides killing the man...

[BlooInBloo]

7. State-sponsored domestic terrorists get another one.

[Flaneur]

8. I think cops kill a couple of hundred people every year in the drug war.

And it's extremely rare that they get prosecuted.

Of course, some of those killings are easily justifiable; others, not so much. If the guy is pointing a gun at you, that's pretty open and shut. But I see too many drug war killings where they shoot a guy in a car and claim he was trying to run them down. I suspect in many of those guys, the victims was simply trying to leave the scene to avoid getting arrested.

[sandnsea]

9. This is your police on unregulated power.

If they weren't doing this over drugs, they'd be doing it over something else. Let's not forget that.

[TexasObserver]

10. It appears that the damage was done shortly after the 2nd officer arrived.

They had the accused on his back, and it appeared to me one of them might have put his knee on the accused's throat. They choked him out to incapacitate him, and likely crushed his larnyx in the process.

The insane drug war kills another person guilty of no more than Rush Limbaugh, George Bush, or William Rehnquist routinely did.

[Joe the Revelator]

17. He swallowed a plastic bag. That kills you 9 out of 10 times. You can't breath through plastic.

[Moochy]

52. numbers fresh From your personal Dept. of Anal Statistics

[Joe the Revelator]

58. More insults, still no substance. Sure am glad you showed up in this thread to enlighten us all.

[Moochy]

64. so you didnt just make 9/10 up? by pulling the number out of your ass?

[Joe the Revelator]

69. Why don't you try it and report back to me

If I'm wrong, you'll be fine.

[Moochy]

71. More fucking violence from the mind a thug

No wonder I had the old joe the relevator on fucking ignore.. you are 'wolsh'... ugh.

[Joe the Revelator]

72. By all means, put me back on ignore, you've offered no reply that I will miss in the future.

[TexasObserver]

76. OMG! That explains it.

[TexasObserver]

74. No, it won't. Swallowing goes to the stomach, not the lungs.

He was choked to death by two officers, and your posts don't change that.

[Joe the Revelator]

80. Then I guess that means its ok to have a toddler play with plastic/rubber ballons

I think you don't really have a clue as to how the human body works.

[TexasObserver]

81. You're a pro police zealot, and there's no point talking to you, so I won't.

I can smell the pork rinds from here.

[Joe the Revelator]

87. I'd rather be pro-police then someone kind of want to be teenager talking about "pork"

Grow up.

[TexasObserver]

94. Stop personally attacking others, including me.

[Joe the Revelator]

97. Thats funny...two posts ago you called me an "anti-police zealot"

I mean, whine about it if you want, but you had no problem attacking me, Ms. Palin.

[Ghost in the Machine]

144. Actually, he called you a "pro police zealot"....

I hope you pay better attention than that if you're collecting/handling evidence, doing an investigation or taking a statement...

[Raineyb]

151. I don't think things like anatomy come into play in the thinking of the automatic

police apologists. Then again I don't think there's much thinking involved on their end anyway. :shrug:

[proud2BlibKansan]

11. Repulsive

Why does he punch the guy? Why didn't he just cuff him and take him into custody?

[Flaneur]

12. "Suspect Dies Following Controversial Traffic Stop"

http://www.ktbs.com/news/suspect-dies-following-controversial-traffic-stop

Posted: Jul 10, 2009 8:41 PM
Updated: Jul 10, 2009 10:58 PM

Authorities in south Louisiana have released dashcam video from a controversial traffic stop in Livingston Parish where a man later died. The video shows the driver appear to stuff something inside his mouth. Officials believed he stuffed his mouth full of illegal drugs and some say that's what caused his death, but his family says otherwise.

It all started when the deputy pulled over Adam Stogner, 42. The deputy stopped him because he thought Stogner may have been impaired. Deputies say they believe Stogner had a baggie of narcotics in his right hand. In the video, as the deputy is trying to handcuff him, you can see him move something from one hand to the other then place it in his mouth.

It was after a brief struggle, another deputy noticed the suspect having trouble breathing. Although they called for medical help, Stogner later died. Initial autopsy results show he died from severe coronary artery disease, an enlarged heart and a fracture of a bone in his neck. He also reportedly tested positve for methamphatemine.

The attorney for the man's family plans to conduct his own autopsy and investigation. He says the deputy beat Stogner to death. The sheriff's office is standing behind the deputy saying he followed protocal.

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I like the part where the coroner blames it on "coronary artery disease, an enlarged heart, and a fracture of a bone in his neck." I wonder if being choked to death could be a partial reason for his dying. Reminds me of all those taser deaths attributed to the mysterious "excited delirium" that never seem to occur until--coincidentally--the guy just got tasered.

[Cid_B]

146. Math is fun...

Bad heart + drugs + fighting with the cops = poor results

Check out the part where the lawyer makes up his own part and says that he beat him to death. He should at least be exact in his words if he thinks the coroner lied and the man choked on his baggie or had his throat crushed or something.

edit:typo

[lib2DaBone]

13. If we devoted only half the energy into providing jobs.....

If we devoted only half the energy into providing new jobs that we spend in persecuting people for possession of small amounts of non-lethal drugs... we would all be millionaires.

Prohibition is a national nightmare. (an expensive nightmare)

[Hassin Bin Sober]

14. Fucking pigs.

[Joe the Revelator]

18. Again, how is this the officers fault? This darwin award winner tried to swallow a plastic bag while

resisting arrest. How is this the officers fault?

[anigbrowl]

26. Nobody is blaming the officer for that. It's the choking him afterwards bit.

Quit being so disingenuous. The guy was certainly a criminal and trying to conceal (not necessarily swallow) the evidence certainly makes the officer's job harder. That does still not give the officer the right to put a choke hold on him. I is easy to kill someone that way, and if you don't believe this fact I suggest you enlist the help of a friend and attempt to re-enact the scene.

[Aramchek]

55. the officer broke the bone in the man's neck

he was so concerned about saving that man from those horrible illegal drugs that he killed him.
this is what happens when officers are trained to harass and arrest rather than to protect and serve.

[Joe the Revelator]

66. The guy was pulled over for driving under the influence....how exactly is that harrassment?

The guy could have easily killed some innocent person driving on the interstate. If nothing else, I wish MORE cops pulled over drunk drivers.

[Taitertots]

77. He was resisting arrest

I guess the police should have just left him to run away and destroy the evidence of his crimes.

[backscatter712]

82. Obviously, resisting arrest should be a capital crime!

:sarcasm:

Fucking pigs!

[Taitertots]

98. Obviously, if you are going to fight to the death...

The police are more than willing to fulfill your request.

At any second that could have ended peacefully if the man had stopped resisting and surrendered the drugs.

[Hippo_Tron]

22. End the drug war

If I were facing the possibility of serious prison time for possession of narcotics I might also stick a bag in my mouth in the heat of the moment. This shit is ridiculous.

[Joe the Revelator]

24. The drug war is absurd, but this guy was driving under the influence and resisting arrest

To me, Driving Drunk should be a capital offense, to quote someone above.

[Hippo_Tron]

34. I think there ought to be stiffer penalties for reckless driving

The guy driving on a back road under the speed limit who drives his car into a tree because he had too many drinks isn't the kind of person who kills people. I certainly don't think that person ought to be driving but they also shouldn't face really stiff penalties that a reckless driver should. The guy who drives at 70-100 miles per hour on a 30 street is the kind of person who kills people. Alcohol is certainly correlated with reckless driving.

Penalties need to be assessed based on how much a person is potentially endangering other people on the road.

[Joe the Revelator]

36. He was on the interstate, traveling at, presumably interstate speeds

He's an asshole who could have very easily killed someone.

[Cali_Democrat]

41. oink oink

nt

[Joe the Revelator]

48. Until something happens to you or the ones you love

[Name removed]

104. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Cali_Democrat]

111. Actually, it's the childish officer with his Napoleon complex that needs to "grow the fuck up"

And now a man is dead because of that pig. He was probably teased and bullied as a child and wanted to be a cop to get back at society and his tormentors. I'd say that describes about 90% of the cops in America.

The suspect in the video was no threat to the pig, yet the pig killed him anyway.

I would like to dedicate one more OINK OINK to that pig that killed that man. I'm sure that man had a family, but the cop doesn't give a shit.

:hi:

[Joe the Revelator]

112. You are a disgusting, misinformed person. I'm sure you'd be all grins and giggles if this meth head

ran back to his truck and killed some family on the road.

[Cali_Democrat]

115. What we do know is that the cops strangled a man to death.

Only confirming my previous suspicions of pigs.

However, your allegations of the dead man possibly killing a family have no basis in fact.

[Joe the Revelator]

121. Its hard to argue when people like you just make shit up.....His autopsy listed his heart as the

CAUSE of his death. Here's a shocking newsflash for you. Fat metheads don't have the healthiest of internal organs and the strain was too much for him to bare apparently.

Also, the dead man killing a family have plenty of basis in this conversation. He is a drug addict driving WHILE intoxicated. Its why he was pulled over. I for one am happy that this officer tried to take this jerk off the road.

[Cali_Democrat]

124. You're funny....

So the officers did not cause his death? They just pulled some guy over and he died because "fat metheads don't have the healthiest of internal organs and the strain was too much for him to bare."

Then you talk about him killing a family and I'm the one making shit up?

ROFL!!! You're too much!!

[Joe the Revelator]

125. I mean, we can either deal with your conjuncture or the autopsy report....

And he was pulled over because he was driving, on the interstate, intoxicated. Why are you ok with that??

[Cali_Democrat]

128. He didn't die until the pigs got a hold of him.

But somehow the pigs had nothing to do with his death. He was just a fat methead who didn't have the healthiest of internal organs and the strain was to much for him to bear.

You act like the pigs were playing patty cake with the guy and he just spontaneously died. You believe that shit?

I've got a bridge I want to sell you. It connects Manhattan and Brooklyn.

[Taitertots]

45. Don't let the facts stop your anti-police bigotry

"Initial autopsy results show he died from severe coronary artery disease, an enlarged heart and a fracture of a bone in his neck. He also reportedly tested positive for methamphetamine."
http://www.ktbs.com/news/suspect-dies-following-controversial-traffic-stop

Idiot meth head died fighting the cops to avoid arrest. I have no sympathy for him. I have no sympathy for his family trying to use the death for personal benefit at the expense of the community.

[TorchTheWitch]

88. Neither do I

Not one ounce of sympathy. Out of control meth head brought it on himself.

[ProudDad]

148. FTP (n/t)

[Raineyb]

153. So you're saying that the bone in his neck broke itself?

Because that's pretty fucking asinine.

[pitohui]

86. a big scary guy dumb enough to resist arrest in livingston parish ?

i dunno, folks, at some point the darwin awards have to come into play

i didn't watch the whole tape as i have no stomach for watching something billed as "see some lowlife druggie freak get choked to death" but i watched the first of it, and this is a BIG belligerent guy fighting with at that point a single officer that he pulled down to the ground -- a police officer has a duty to stop impaired drivers and he has a right to self defense and it looked to me that he was in a really tough situation just trying to do his job right

not in the mood to second guess this officer's actions after seeing that much...

[Joanne98]

93. They need to be charged with MURDER!

[Joe the Revelator]

99. haha

I'm loling out loud.

[npk]

102. The cop may have been thinking about this

http://www.wvgazette.com/latest/200807120165

or this

http://www.wsaz.com/newswestvirginia/headlines/24693404.html

Perhaps the officer was concerned that the man might swallow the bag of dope and die. There was a law suit filed against the city of Atlanta several years ago for such a case. A man was pulled over and while the cops were detaining the man he swallowed a large bag of dope and died several hours later.

It is entirely possible that the officer was aware that swallowing drugs can be lethal and was trying to stop the man from that very thing happening. Did the cop overreact or use too much force? I don't know. Being that I wasn't there I have no idea what was going on at the scene or what was going on on the ground while the cameras view was being partially obstructed.
One thing I do know is that the man could have prevented all this from happening by simply spitting the drugs out. It was obvious that the officer saw the drugs and he wasn't just going to be able to slide in the seat cushions later on.

The man chose not to spit the drugs out and that had devastating consequences for both the man and the police involved.

It is also more likely that the man died from a blocked air way and not from being choked too death. This is what the officer was trying to prevent and why he kept yelling at the man to spit the drugs out.

I am not usually on this board defending the police. In fact if you check my record on this subject you will see that I rarely side on the side of the cops. But in this case there was only one man that could have prevented all this from happening and it was the suspect. The cop had no choice in the matter he was compelled by the law and his duty to act. The situation ended extremely badly. But in this case, knowing as much as I know from the video, I would have to say that the cop was trying his best to prevent the man from swallowing the drugs. I don't think there was the noticeable intent to kill the man.

[RedCappedBandit]

116. The war on drugs kills people every day. nt

[d_b]

118. hang the fuckin pig

[Joe the Revelator]

122. I didn't know there were so many immature people living their lives like it was still the 60's on

DU.

[d_b]

123. is that supposed to mean something?

[Joe the Revelator]

126. Does your use of an antiquated immature term like "pigs" mean anything?

Other then the fact that its time for you grow up?

[d_b]

127. what are you, fuckin' pee-wee herman?

fuck outta here, kid.

[Joe the Revelator]

130. That's a real "groovy" comparison. You got anything from this decade?

[d_b]

134. fuck you're bad at this

but go on.

[Joe the Revelator]

138. Bad at what? Dealing with a person who brings nothing to the table but a desire for an internet

fight and antiquated vernacular? I'm ok with being bad at that.

[d_b]

143. yes, you're bad at that

but you're awesome at being trolled.

I knew you would be ;-)

[Ghost in the Machine]

145. Well hell, brother, lets party like it's 2008!

When cops act like thugs, they get treated like thugs. That uniform doesn't automatically gain you respect. Respect is earned.. usually by showing it to others.....

[ProudDad]

147. End the phony "war on drugs"

and all the rest of the phony "wars"...

[chasitynola]

149. Just read through

all of the threads and here is what I noticed watching the clip. That officer kept screaming 'spit it out' while grabbing the man by his throat. He was more interested in getting the evidence than in cuffing the man.

He was doing a pretty good job of holding the perp down, and then backup arrived. Instead of the other 2-3 cops cuffing the man and putting him under arrest, they turned him on his back and continued to struggle for the 'evidence'.

I don't believe that any person on DU would want a dangerous driver to continue on down the road with no punishment. No one ever said the guy should have gotten away scott-free. But multiple police should have been able to cuff the man and process him without crushing his throat!

I know how badly cops want to get the damned drug evidence. When I was celebrating my 23rd birthday at a concert in Florida, I was apprehended by two undercover police officers while smoking a very small joint of the evil marijuana. The undercovers grabbed me, twisted my arm so far up my back that they near to broke it, hadn't identified themselves as officers (looked more like wanna-be hippies), grabbed the roach which was about the size of my pinky fingernail, and gave me a summons to appear in court after putting the itty bitty roach into a tester to make sure it was actually pot. That was the only proof they had...that little tiny bit.

I am not saying I wasn't breaking the law, but they didn't exactly follow procedure by grabbing me and nearly breaking my arm for some weed when I didn't even know they were the police.

[mistertrickster]

150. Yup, another "drug related death." I feel safer, don't you.

[Rex]

152. As insane as the war on drugs is, I am not surprised.

Not making excuses for the cop, I wonder if he even realized he was killing his would be arrestee?

[Raineyb]

154. Assuming he cares one way or another.

And considering what happened I'm not inclined to believe he did. Care one way or another that is.