Swine flu shots at school: Bracing for fall return (Children first)

[lovuian]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090709/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_swine_flu

WASHINGTON – U.S. swine flu vaccinations could begin in October with children among the first in line — at their local schools — the Obama administration said Thursday as the president and his Cabinet urged states to figure out now how they'll tackle the virus' all-but-certain resurgence.

"We may end up averting a crisis. That's our hope," said President Barack Obama, who took time away from the G-8 summit in Italy to telephone another summit back home — the 500 state and local health officials meeting to prepare for swine flu's fall threat.

No final decision has been made on whether to vaccinate Americans, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius stressed. That depends largely on studies with experimental batches that are set to start the first week of August — to see if they're safe and seem to work and to learn whether they require one or two doses.

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Are you going to line up for the Swine Flu shot

I'm not
and I'm APPALLED that OBAMA is part of this

the Swine Flu is American Baxter Made

straight from Fort Detrick

first Anthrax and now this

[MercutioATC]

1. I'd rather my son catch this version of H1N1 while it's still mild.

That said, he's 18 now and can do whatever he wants. I plan to get vaccinated and I've recommended it to my son.

I think the second wave has the potential to be more dangerous.

[DCKit]

2. I certainly wouldn't want to be among the first.

Rushed vaccines don't have such a good record.

[Horse with no Name]

3. Yeah the polio vaccine was a disaster n/t

[DCKit]

5. Still is, for some.

We had a kid die in boot camp after the polio vaccination.

Twit.

[Horse with no Name]

7. Really? What year? n/t

[Tan Gent]

8. We had one die after eating chipped beef on toast (SOS)

:shrug:

[MercutioATC]

6. I may be required to take the vaccine.

I'm an air traffic controller. There's not any official statement, but it's been rumored.

I agree with your concerns, but I also believe that this H1N1 strain has the potential to get ugly.

[Horse with no Name]

4. From the stuff I have been reading

The second wave is going to be devastating.
This flu mimics the 1957 strain of swine flu. The major concern is that whereas the 1957 strain merged with staph, that this particular strain will merge with MRSA.
Bad deal there.
I'll be getting my vaccines ASAP as well.

Couple that with the fact that there has been Tamiflu-resistant strains documented...it doesn't portend well.

[LeftyMom]

9. MRSA is a bacteria. Swine Flu is a virus. They can no more "merge" than you can with an orange.

[Horse with no Name]

10. You want to retract that before I post a link? n/t

[LeftyMom]

11. No, because I *really* want to see this link.

:D

[Horse with no Name]

14. Well here you go (I hope The Lancet is a good enough source)

http://www.mrsaquestions.com/swine-flu-and-mrsa-pneumonia-could-team-up-to-kill-thousands
>>>snip
A DEADLY strain of superbug MRSA could team up with swine flu to kill thousands, experts said last night. The drug-resistant bug triggers a lung condition that kills half its victims in under 72 HOURS.

It latches on to those already weakened by flu and rapidly spreads between people, new research shows. Unlike most MRSA bugs it lives OUTSIDE hospitals — and could prove devastating in a swine flu outbreak, medics warned. British doctors should be on full alert for an outbreak of the strain, called CA—MRSA, experts told top medical journal The Lancet.

Epidemics expert Professor Mark C. Enright, of London’s Imperial College, said: “CA-MRSA pneumonia is particularly dangerous due to the aggressive nature of the infection and the difficulty in treatment.”

[Horse with no Name]

16. And then there is this one:

www.medscape.com
Title: PAS 2009: H1N1 Flu Predicted to Wane and Reemerge in Fall
>>>snip
I believe that we will see die down over the next month or two, with a reemergence in the fall," predicted James Cherry, MD, pediatric infectious diseases specialist at the University of California at Los Angeles School of Medicine.

"I've lived through 4 shifts of influenza A," Dr. Cherry told a heavily attended special symposium here. The current strain appears to be more similar to the 1957 strain, when deaths were largely attributed to coinfection with Staphylococcus aureus, than it does to the better recognized 1976 swine influenza outbreak, he said.

"I think we are going to see this strain reemerge in the fall, with MRSA . I believe MRSA will play a major role in morbidity and mortality," Dr. Cherry warned.

"This is real. This is going to happen. We need vaccines. We should move ahead with vaccine development as fast as possible. Antivirals are not going to manage it," he said.

[LeftyMom]

22. Co-infections. Not "merging."

If you get a cold and then a sinus infection, you haven't incubated a "merged" common cold/bacterial sinus infection monster disease from hell. Your body is weakened by the fist and put at increased risk of the latter, but they are still separate infections. The same is true of the risk of acquiring MRSA (or whatever else) during a Swine Flu illness.

[Horse with no Name]

24. Backpedal all you want. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

You hate vaccines.:rofl:

[kath]

18. LeftyMom is right - viruses like flu viruses don't "merge" w/ bacteria like staph and strep. What

does happen are SECONDARY bacterial infections (SEPARATE infections) that occur in those already weakened by influenza or other viral infections. But there is no "merging" or "teaming up". We're talking about a SECOND and SEPARATE infection that happens later.

[Horse with no Name]

23. No. Go back and read the links. They are COINFECTIONS.

Which mean they happen simultaneously.

[LeftyMom]

19. All that says it that people weakened by the flu would be at risk of opportunistic infection

from MRSA (and any number of other things, I'd add.) That's common sense, people whose immune systems are already overtaxed by one illness are vulnerable and at increased risk of contracting a second, unrelated illness.

That doesn't mean that MRSA and Swine Flu are going to combine to create one scary super-germ. They can't, one's a bacteria and one's a virus. This is elementary science, if I'm not breaking it down into small enough words I can put my eight year old on the computer and give him a shot.

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[Maru Kitteh]

27. You really don't undertand the article at all, do you?

Where the hell were you "educated?" Somebody deserves a refund.

[DCKit]

30. Co-infection is not a "merge" of genetic material, it's a double infection.

You have lost all credibility.

[DCKit]

12. Oops. Nostradamus the virus expert is busted. Again. Thanks mom! n/t

[Horse with no Name]

15. Oh my. The anti-vaccine woo-woos are out in full force.n/t

[DCKit]

29. You assume much with very little input on my side.

But profit and political expediency have too often outweighed safety concerns for my taste over the past three decades. The FDA is owned and staffed by the very industries they're supposed to be regulating, and it shows. Development and distribution of this vaccine is a huge, government mandated windfall and the corporation that distributes a contaminated vaccine will take the hit, not the individuals who get paid for developing, marketing and disseminating it.

I'm one of the rare few on whom few drugs have the prescribed effect, so I'm pretty much limited in my choices and doubly cautious when (infrequently) ill. You, on the other hand, consistently come across as an advocate of Big Pharma at any cost - and totally unschooled, at that.

Virus/bacteria crossbreeding? If the phone's ringing, it's Fox News Channel looking for your views on interspecie's/incompatible lifeform's sexual relations. Make it prurient and nasty (bring illustrations), and your career will be ludicrously profitable. They never allow an opposing view, so you won't have to worry about being called out when you claim that the spawn of loofas and falafels are attacking people in the heartland.

Your hostile kneejerk reaction to anyone who questions the efficacy or purity of the vaccines we are offered is appreciated only by your groupies. The rest of us are here for civil, thoughtful discussion.

[diamidue]

28. SOB's. God I hate these pharma people. N/t

[Raine]

13. I wouldn't take that crap for anything.

"Thanks but no thanks". x(

[lovuian]

17. Baxter has been caught mixing avian and Swineflu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjLuj6r-fRY

Baxter was caught
Just like Fort Detrick was caught
with Anthrax and its head scientist who conveniently committes suicide

all Military in Desert Storm were guinea pigs for the anthrax Vaccine
but Scalene was placed in the vaccination

many of the soldiers had terrible reactions

now Our CHILDREN are going to be guinea pigs

This is right out of the NWO play book

and the DEMOCRATS are going to be part of this?

This is just a threat Swine Flu is just a way to massively infect the nation using the children

[hedgehog]

20. As it happens, I was at the doctor's office today with one kid

getting a pre-college physical, and i asked if the vaccine would be available before they all leave for college in the fall. I've always nagged them to get their flu shots. My two oldest were very grateful the winter they saw their friends lose two or three weeks of classes because they were so sick.

[lovuian]

31. Your wanting a flu vaccine of something not even tested yet

That depends largely on studies with experimental batches that are set to start the first week of August — to see if they're safe and seem to work and to learn whether they require one or two doses.

Roll up those sleeves and bob your head yes:headbang:

Just do me a favor just read about it before you make your decision

though the government may make it mandatory

think of how much money Baxter is going to make on a mandatory vaccination program