Where can I buy one of these nice T-Shirts? Seems like the rightwing hates Miss Obama making a

[SeeHopeWin]

Statement on peace!

Miss Obama's peacenik T-shirt sends a message to G8 leaders


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1198393/Miss-Obamas-peacenik-T-shirt-sends-message-G8-leaders.html#ixzz0KlDFvVOm&D

[zeemike]

1. That is a great shirt...and appropriate too.

The more I see of her the more i like her...she is not afraid to make a statement.

[Dogmudgeon]

2. Miss Obama's Paterfamilias was doing some nuclear disarming, himself

The CND symbol seems appropriate.

(Eleven years old; growin' like a weed, that Malia ...)

--d!

[bdamomma]

7. I think she will be taller than her mom at some point.

[dipsydoodle]

3. Just root around sites selling CND tees.

Another pic here for you :



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/g8/5784603/G8-Malia-Obama-photographed-wearing-CND-T-shirt.html

[mwb970]

4. We'll remember these times when she runs for president.

Ironically, she is more qualified for the presidency right now than failin' Palin, the rootin'-tootin' quitter!

[Dogmudgeon]

8. We only have to wait until 2036

That 35-years-old thing, and three extra years to the election ...

Bristol Palin, whom I also trust to be better-qualified than her mom, can run in 2028. Woo-hoo!

--d!

[MadHound]

9. Please, no more dynasties. n/t

[MadHound]

5. Sadly ironic, considering that her father is continuing the Iraq occupation,

And has doubled down in Afghanistan.

The only message that her shirt seems to be sending is that there is still a long distance between what she wears and what her father is doing.

[ellacott]

10. That's the only message?

You guys are something else.

[MadHound]

11. She is wearing a symbol of peace, her father is continuing the Iraqi occupation indefinitely,

While doubling down for an illegal, immoral war in the Afghanistan/Pakistan region. What other conclusion is there?

[ellacott]

13. There is no other conclusion

Barack Obama is the only person in the world responsible for world peace?

[MadHound]

15. Obama is the one who has the power to end these illegal, immoral wars

Yet sadly he's not doing that, in fact he seems to be expanding them, now in Pakistan.

Who else can end these illegal, immoral wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Last time I looked, these were US wars, and Obama was CinC.

[ellacott]

17. And the CinC is the only one responsible for world peace

[MadHound]

20. No, the CinC is only responsible for the actions of this country

Thus he is currently responsible for the illegal occupation in Iraq, the doubling down on an illegal, immoral war in Afghanistan, and now for the illegal expansion of that war into Pakistan.

[ellacott]

22. yep, yep, yep

[Sebass1271]

23. The only illegal war i can remember is Iraq. AFGha

is a total legal war. Osama Bin Laden was hiding in Afgha with the protection of Taliban. It was perfectly fine to go to this country. We needed to defend ourselves. What the hell are you talking about?

Now, everything is Obama's fault?????? As far as we know, Obama is ending the war in Iraq soon!.

[MadHound]

25. Excuse me, but going after terrorists is a police operation

Not a military one. After all, did we bomb the shit out of Kansas when we went after McVeigh and Nichols? What about when we went after the Unibomber, did we bomb the hell out of his shack?

I suggest that you investigate the underlying reasons we're in Afghanistan, and now going into Pakistan. First place to start is to Google the statement "offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs." Rather enlightening.

Oh, one other thing, many of the experts in the area, including Hamid Karzai, Pervez Musharraf, Benazir Bhutto, Israeli intelligence, French intelligence, and even members of our own FBI are convinced that bin Laden is dead, and has been dead for over seven years. After all, it's rather hard on somebody, who requires regular dialysis treatments to live without electricity, and be constantly on the move in the mountain region of the Afghan/Pakistan border area.

And no, stop your hyperventilating hyperbole, I'm not stating that "everything is Obama's fault." However he is responsible for his actions, which include doubling down on an illegal, immoral war in Afghanistan(which most experts state that there is no end in the foreseeable future), expanding the war illegally to Pakistan, and continuing the illegal occupation of Iraq. Remember, he did state that between 50,000-100,000 US troops are going to remain in Iraq to train Iraqi troops and to fight terrorist attacks. Not to mention the fact that somebody has got to defend the series of eighteen bases we're leaving behind in Iraq, including the largest embassy in the world.

[Sebass1271]

27. bla bla bla. Purist and a dreamer that is what you are

so, you think there aren't people outthere who hate us and are plotting right now how to kill hundreds of thousands of us? The president of Pakistan can't handle the terrorists in his own land.

Really? are you that naive?

[MadHound]

30. Speaking of naive,

You don't think that continuing two illegal, immoral wars isn't recruiting even more people who now want to kill us? Having a Hellfire missile kill your family is the best recruiting tool that Al-Qaeda has. Remember, Al-Qaeda wasn't in Iraq until after we invaded it.

Apparently we can't handle the terrorists in Pakistan either, since despite all of our illegal acts of war, those drone missiles are killing more innocents than actual militants. But hey, I suppose that you're down with killing wedding party after wedding party.

Funny isn't it, how so many Democrats were against the wars when Bush was running them, but now that Obama is, it's all good. Hypocrisy much?

[lunatica]

14. Don't you think she's a little too young to be attacked

for what her father does? She's 11 years old and is probably too young to understand the symbol itself in it's historical context. Would it make you happier if she wore an "I support my daddy's wars" t-shirt? Did you understand war when you were 11?

[MadHound]

16. When I was eleven years old I was out in the street protesting the war

As were many other young kids during that time period during the 'Nam period. Furthermore, an eleven year old is cognitively developed enough to understand what war is, and whether it is a good or bad war.

But thanks for the mischaracterization that I'm attacking this child, I'm not. I'm going after her father, the one who is continuing the occupation of Iraq indefinitely, and who has doubled down in Afghanistan and looks to expand into Pakistan as well. While there is no blood on her hands, her father is a different matter. I just find this intra-family disconnect sadly ironic, that's all.

[lunatica]

24. You are attacking her for wearing the t-shirt

Whether you think you are or not.

[MadHound]

26. Apparently a lot of things go right over that head of yours

I stated that it is sadly ironic that she is wearing that shirt, given the distance between the message that the shirt conveys and the ongoing actions of her father. That is not an attack on her, that is an attack on her father and his actions.

So please, stop trying to turn this into something it is not. Show me where, exactly, that I attacked her.

[Sebass1271]

28. You are attacking her.

[MadHound]

31. Prove it.

Quote me a statement from this thread, show me where and how I attacked her, specifically.

Oh, that's right, you can't. You're just addicted to hyperventilating hyperbole because I'm daring to criticize her father.

[lunatica]

34. Over my head? No. If you aren't attacking her then leave her out of your

political shooting gallery.

She is 11 years old and probably gets it that the sign is a peace sign. But I doubt she's as educated as you are about the history of that symbol or the Vietnam war. And I don't believe you were any smarter than other 11 year olds.

[MadHound]

35. Apparently it is,

I'm commenting on the irony of her wearing that shirt, given her father's war policies, yet you continue to wrongly insist that I'm attacking her. Prove it! Show me specifically where I attacked her, quote a statement I made attacking her. You can't do it, and you know it.

I'm sure that she knows what a peace sign is, and what it stands for. She doesn't need to know the history of the symbol or the Vietnam war.

As far as being smarter than other eleven year olds, dumber than some, smarter than most, and that's still the case today:shrug: You don't like that, or don't want to believe that, fine, no skin off my nose, nor does it have any relevant bearing on what the main point of our discussion.

[Mrs. Overall]

37. "intra family disconnect"? You have got to be kidding me.

Maybe if you were to talk to her, she would say that her hope/ideal is peace, which is probably the hope of most kids her age, regardless of what their parents are doing (or in opposition to what their parents are doing).

"Intra-family disconnect" is the whole reason I became a Democrat.

[Dawgs]

18. All combat troops out by end of next year, and then all troops the year after that is indefinitely?

:shrug:

[MadHound]

21. You are naive if you think that all troops will be out of Iraq by 2011

Obama has stated time and again that somewhere between 50,000-100,000 troops will be left in Iraq to train Iraqi soldiers and to fight "terrorist groups." Not to mention that troops will be needed to protect those eighteen bases we're opening in Iraq, including the largest fortress, er, embassy in the world.

50,000-100,000 troops certainly doesn't sound like a complete withdrawal from Iraq to me:shrug: Oh, and don't forget that illegal, immoral war in Afghanistan, where experts both within and outside the administration are stating we're going to be stuck for the foreseeable future. Not to mention that we're illegally expanding that war into Pakistan also.

[Dawgs]

32. So, in YOUR opinion, Obama is lying about Iraq.

And, I'm okay with what we're doing in Afganistan.

[MadHound]

33. No, I'm actually basing my opinion on what Obama has stated, time and again

Initially it was between 35,000-50,000 troops, but that has now morphed into between 50,000-100,000.
<http://cbs2.com/national/obama.troops.iraq.2.945466.html>
<http://english.eviewweek.com/20090508/128184/obama-s-defense-budget-plan-reflects-shift-focus>

These are Obama's plans, and I think that Obama is telling the truth on this. If I thought he were lying, I would probably naively believe that he's bringing all the troops home from Iraq, like you do.

So you're OK with an illegal, immoral war in Afghanistan, thousands of dead innocents, and an illegally expanded war into Pakistan, all to catch one man who is more than likely dead. Must suck to have such morals. Tell me, were you in favor of bombing the shit out of Kansas in order to catch Terry Nichols, or bombing the shit out of Oklahoma to catch McVeigh, or bombing the shit out of Montana to catch the Unibomber?

Catching terrorists is a police operation not a military one, despite the bloodthirsty contentions to the contrary. But if you want to find out why we're really in the South Central region of Asia, google "offer a carpet of gold or bury you in a carpet of bombs."

[madrchsod]

6. it`s her century....

it`s up to the kids to save it....

[Somawas]

12. That's a cop out. It's up to us to do what we should and can.

She and her generation will certainly have enough problems of their own without us leaving them a pile that we created for them.

[glowing]

19. The crazy thing is that Sasha always wears these types of shirts with peace signs or

the word peace written out. I guess they couldn't go to town on an 8yr old, but Malia is tall for 11, so it looks like she's the first Obama daughter the right wing is going to try and go after. If it works out with little pushback.. the crap will continue until its similar to the treatment Chelsea Clinton received. Its the shirt today... they hope for more tomorrow. I say push back now. That shirt is not some strange thing that you can't find sitting in a Walmart or a Target. I find it interesting they point out the one time I've seen Malia in a peace shirt. Normally, its Sasha.

[lies and propaganda]

29. I almost had tears!

i LOVE these girls!

[SeeHopeWin]

36. I do too............nt