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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 10:53 PM
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Love the way Rachel Maddow has slyly slipped in the words "C Street"
Edited on Wed Jul-08-09 11:05 PM by madfloridian
The last two nights Rachel has sort of slipped in the words C Street, per Mark Sanford's reference to it in his confession.

Confused how these houses and groups connect: C Street, The Cedars, Ivanwald, the Fellowship, The Family. As we see in the case of the unfaithful governor, apparently they are there to counsel in time of need. And to have an effect on world leaders.

This is something I have never heard mentioned on TV before, at least I don't remember it being talked about out loud. We have talked of it here, but Rachel just mentioned it in passing two nights in a row.

Some very important and influential leaders in both parties are part of that group. I wonder how many decisions about world events are made through such influences. Maybe I don't even want to know.

The Washington Post article in late June....refers to the house this way.

No sign explains the prim and proper red brick house on C Street SE. Nothing hints at its secrets. It blends into the streetscape, tucked behind the Library of Congress, a few steps from the Cannon House Office Building, a few more steps to the Capitol. This is just the way its residents want it to be. Almost invisible.

But through one week's events, this stately old pad -- a pile of sturdy brick that once housed a convent -- has become the very nexus of American scandal, a curious marker in the gallery of capital shame. Mark Sanford, South Carolina's disgraced Republican governor and a former congressman, looked here for answers -- for support, for the word of God -- as his marriage crumbled over his affair with an Argentine woman. John Ensign, the senator from Nevada who just seven days earlier also was forced to admit a career-shattering affair, lives there.

"C Street," Sanford said Wednesday during his diffuse, cryptic, utterly arresting confessional news conference, is where congressmen faced "hard questions."

On any given day, the rowhouse at 133 C St. SE -- well appointed, with American flag flying, white-and-green-trimmed windows and a pleasant garden -- fills with talk of power and the Lord. At least five congressmen live there, quietly renting upstairs rooms from an organization affiliated with "the Fellowship," the obsessively secretive Arlington spiritual group that organizes the National Day of Prayer breakfast, an event routinely attended by legions of top government officials. Other politicians come to the house for group spirituality sessions, prayer meetings or to simply share their troubles.


C Street, Ivanwald, Cedars...confused.

Many of the same men who are reported to live there on C Street by the Washington Post overlap to those listed as living at "Ivanwald" in an article called Jesus Plus Nothing

Undercover among America's secret theocrats

Ivanwald, which sits at the end of Twenty-fourth Street North in Arlington, Virginia, is known only to its residents and to the members and friends of the organization that sponsors it, a group of believers who refer to themselves as “the Family.” The Family is, in its own words, an “invisible” association, though its membership has always consisted mostly of public men. Senators Don Nickles (R., Okla.), Charles Grassley (R., Iowa), Pete Domenici (R., N.Mex.), John Ensign (R., Nev.), James Inhofe (R., Okla.), Bill Nelson (D., Fla.), and Conrad Burns (R., Mont.) are referred to as “members,” as are Representatives Jim DeMint (R., S.C.), Frank Wolf (R., Va.), Joseph Pitts (R., Pa.), Zach Wamp (R., Tenn.), and Bart Stupak (D., Mich.). Regular prayer groups have met in the Pentagon and at the Department of Defense, and the Family has traditionally fostered strong ties with businessmen in the oil and aerospace industries. The Family maintains a closely guarded database of its associates, but it issues no cards, collects no official dues. Members are asked not to speak about the group or its activities.


A 2002 article written by Lisa Getter in the LA Times mentioned a house in Virginia called "The Cedars."

Showing Faith in Discretion

For the last two decades, a Virginia mansion has been a private hideaway for world leaders, members of Congress, and even pop star Michael Jackson. Located on a quiet residential street, the $4.4-million estate called Cedars sits at the highest point of the Potomac River, with spectacular views of Washington beyond the pool and tennis courts. It is owned by the Fellowship, the nonpartisan Christian group that sponsors the National Prayer Breakfast.

While the annual breakfast is a widely known event attended by a succession of U.S. presidents and foreign dignitaries, the Fellowship's part in the breakfast is low-key. Most attendees think the event is sponsored by Congress or even the president. Likewise, the Fellowship's role in diplomacy and current events has remained in the shadows. That's the way the organization wants it, for philosophical and practical reasons.

"If you want to help people, Jesus said you don't do your alms in public," Douglas Coe, the group's leader, said in a rare interview. A Los Angeles Times review of the Fellowship's archives, which are kept at the Billy Graham Center at Wheaton College in Wheaton, Ill., and an examination of documents obtained from several presidential libraries reveals an organization that has had extraordinary access and significant influence on foreign affairs for the last 50 years.


This house connects to a sister house on Capitol Hill the article says.

Eight members of Congress, including Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.), live in a grand house on Capitol Hill, which is owned by a sister organization of the Fellowship. The house, which is registered as a church, routinely hosts gatherings for lawmakers and ambassadors. Members of Congress have traveled around the world on the Fellowship's behalf, sometimes mixing matters of state with religion.


So I guess that sister house would be on C Street. Which is confusing since some of the names overlap with Ivanwald.

I do know that this Fellowship has a powerful
connection to Florida through Senator Bill Nelson and his wife, Grace.

Grace Nelson was asked about Hillary Clinton, who has been a member of Grace's prayer cell in the Fellowship. I was stunned at how Nelson answered.

We contacted all of Clinton's Fellowship cell mates, but only one agreed to speak—though she stressed that there's much she's not "at liberty" to reveal. Grace Nelson used to be the organizer of the Florida Governor's Prayer Breakfast, which makes her a piety broker in Florida politics—she would decide who could share the head table with Jeb Bush. Clinton's prayer cell was tight-knit, according to Nelson, who recalled that one of her conservative prayer partners was at first loath to pray for the first lady, but learned to "love Hillary as much as any of us love Hillary." Cells like these, Nelson added, exist in "parliaments all over the world," with all welcome so long as they submit to "the person of Jesus" as the source of their power.


Grace Nelson is on the board of this group.

At Senate Foreign Relations Committee confirmation hearings for incoming State Department officials last year, Sen. Bill Nelson (D- Fla.), whose wife, Grace, is on the board of the Fellowship, complained that the State Department blocked President Bush from meeting privately at the 2001 prayer breakfast with heads of state from Rwanda, Macedonia, Congo and Slovakia.


This blog tells more about the involvement of Grace Nelson, and mentions the house at 133 C Street.

133 C Street legally and actively a church

According to the Los Angeles Times, Harper’s magazine, and the Associated Press news service, his former address, 133 C Street, S.E., two blocks from the United States Capitol, is legally and actively a church, and the six to eight congressmen and US senators domiciled on the top floor are brothers in "the Family" or "the Fellowship," a mysterious, 60-year-old, conservative, worldwide group dedicated to ending the traditional American separation between religion and politics.

...."Members, who carry no cards and are very loosely defined, are required to keep quiet about their activities. But publicly available documents reveal that the Fellowship Foundation — a central legal entity, but far from the only one involved with the group — has an $11-million-a-year budget and a board of directors including Grace Nelson, wife of Florida’s Democratic US Senator Bill Nelson. Its president is Richard Carver, Air Force assistant secretary under President Reagan. Its rich backers include Jerome Lewis, a Denver oilman; Republican contributor Michael Timmis; and Paul Temple, a Maryland investor. Among members, Getter writes, are congressmen who are in charge of the State Department and foreign-aid budgets.

"It’s an incredibly secretive, powerful group that has entree all around the world," Getter said in an interview about her article. "It has tentacles everywhere."


This segment from Jesus Plus Nothing by Jeff Sharlet tries to clarify which houses are which.

At the 1990 National Prayer Breakfast, George H.W. Bush praised Doug Coe for what he described as “quiet diplomacy, I wouldn't say secret diplomacy,” as an “ambassador of faith.” Coe has visited nearly every world capital, often with congressmen at his side, “making friends” and inviting them back to the Family's unofficial headquarters, a mansion (just down the road from Ivanwald) that the Family bought in 1978 with $1.5 million donated by, among others, Tom Phillips, then the C.E.O. of arms manufacturer Raytheon, and Ken Olsen, the founder and president of Digital Equipment Corporation. A waterfall has been carved into the mansion's broad lawn, from which a bronze bald eagle watches over the Potomac River. The mansion is white and pillared and surrounded by magnolias, and by red trees that do not so much tower above it as whisper. The mansion is named for these trees; it is called The Cedars, and Family members speak of it as a person. “The Cedars has a heart for the poor,” they like to say. By “poor” they mean not the thousands of literal poor living barely a mile away but rather the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom: the senators, generals, and prime ministers who coast to the end of Twenty-fourth Street in Arlington in black limousines and town cars and hulking S.U.V.'s to meet one another, to meet Jesus, to pay homage to the god of The Cedars.


There appears to be two houses...The Cedars and Ivanwald. But I can not tell who lives where.

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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 10:59 PM
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1. as far as I know
there are actually four houses in Alexandria and DC, Ivanwald (the men's residence) The Cedars (headquarters), Potomac Point (the women's residence) and C Street.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 11:02 PM
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3. Potomac Point? Interesting.
So I wonder if anyone actually lives at the C Street address, or if it really is designated a church.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 11:23 PM
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7. yes, and yes
well, at least it is a non-profit (C Street) that does not pay property tax to the District of Columbia, and yes, several reps and Senators do rent rooms there. I would assume there are Family staffers in residence, as well.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 11:20 PM
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5. I found a pdf format article about Potomac Point.
Now that you mentioned it, I remembered more about it from a year or so ago.

http://www.foothillpc.org/pastor_writings/Dysfunction%20in%20Fellowship.pdf

Interesting words from some women there. Can't copy paste from the article.
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 11:32 PM
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9. I just copied the whole article to Word.
ctrl-a; right click, copy, paste.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 11:40 PM
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10. I'll try that. I was trying to snip a part of it.
But you know I think I have it saved somewhere on my other computer. Hmmm...need to check
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 11:47 PM
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11. Won't let me copy any part of it.
Tried everything.

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PRETZEL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 01:03 PM
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20. In reading this,
they seem to share alot of the core beliefs as old order Amish.

At least that was my impression.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 02:20 PM
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25. Here is a paragraph or so.
This is from scribd, could never copy paste from the pdf.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/11815661/The-Fellowship-Foundation

"Life among the young people who live in the Fellowship’s homes is spiritually, emotionally, and physically regimented in ways that are cult-like in their intensity. Absolute commitment is required. In all things members are obliged to subject themselves to the will of the group, becoming empty vessels ready to be filled with Jesus and a vaguely articulated Fellowship vision. In an interview for this article, Jeffrey Sharlet, who for nearly a month lived at Ivanwald, the Fellowship house for young men, and who later wrote about his experiences in the March 2003 edition of
Harper’s Magazine, reports a constant striving for “an almost Buddhist commitment to nothingness.” Mild hazing and intense scrutiny of the men’s past sins and shameful habits were used to keep the men mindful of their humility.

Living at Potomac Point, the house for young women, is no less an act of self-deprecation. The young women’s chief work is to keep the Cedars in a constant state of tidy efficiency, all the while inefficiently attired (a uniform of long skirts and “feminine” shoes is required). Work that does not meet strict standards can result in a worker’s public humiliation.

A former resident of Potomac Point told me about her nine months there. Having been encouraged to share her every thought and to expose her secrets and sins, she found her confessions and confidences used against her when she would ask questions or resist Fellowship authority. As the Fellowship exerted control over every aspect of her life she became angry and bitter. Something broke inside her. “When I came to Potomac Point I struggled with self-esteem issues” she told me. “While I was there my low self-esteem moved from a personal to a spiritual level.” When, at last, she expressed a desire to leave, she was told that, without the teaching and company of the Fellowship, her well-being would disintegrate. She became terrified of life on the outside. She believed she would fail, and she delayed her departure for three months."

It is strange reading.
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PRETZEL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 02:28 PM
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26. I just recently finished this book by an ex-communicated member
of an old order Amish young lady,

that is what reminded me, especially the analogies to the first paragraph you snipped.

Not a great read, but interesting in and of itself in terms of an insiders view.

http://books.google.com/books?id=BSyG3jWwMnAC&dq=ruth+garrett&printsec=frontcover&source=in&hl=en&ei=akRWSvj9K4Sltgfk2Z3GAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=11
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 02:50 PM
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28. Thanks! Looks interesting.
Sounds like women and others are kept in line by humiliation tactics, by manipulation in the name of religion.
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PRETZEL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 02:56 PM
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31. that's exactly what it is,
the eternal "Fear of God"
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 04:11 PM
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34. Like...
hell and damnation from the pulpit.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 08:42 PM
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68. The Amish don't like to push their beliefs on others, and generally
support separation of church and state. Christofascists like The Family and dominionists have nothing in common with the Amish other than Christ.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 02:29 PM
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27. When I click on link my computer shows a box at the bottom of page...
that allows me to open a pdf preview. You can open a new window for that and copy and past from there.

"Dysfunction in the Fellowship Family
by Ben Daniel
The Fellowship Foundation, a secretive organization of wealthy and powerful American political,
religious, and business leaders, would rather that you not be aware of its existence. "

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 02:54 PM
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30. Try this link
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 04:38 PM
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35. I saw a link that says PDF Xchange viewer. That works.
Way down at the bottom on the right. I could copy then. Thanks.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 11:00 PM
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2. Kick and rec for knowledge! Yay! n/t
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 11:10 PM
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4. I feel sick just reading this.
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angrycarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 11:21 PM
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6. Sun Myung Moon
Is behind a lot of stuff like this. When religion, secrets, money and politics meet in Washington the unification church is somewhere around. He talks often about uniting humanity in one big "family". Just guessing but from what I know of his manipulations it seems likely.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 11:24 PM
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8. I don't think the Family has Moonie connections
surely there's some overlap, but I think the Family is pretty much it's own thing.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 12:58 AM
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13. All of these groups historically seem to overlap under the agenda of..

anti-communism. Now that communism has become less of a threat, they seem to overlap more and more under the goal of Dominionism, or a theocratic government. On the surface, this may have the goal of simply replacing tax-sponsored government services with church-sponsored ones. At the deepest levels, it may involve corrupting democratic elections to such an extent that only "The Elect" have the right to choose our leaders.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Dominionism

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/BlackwellsUnAmericanScheme.html

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 11:45 AM
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15. What Grace Nelson said:
"Cells like these, Nelson added, exist in "parliaments all over the world," with all welcome so long as they submit to "the person of Jesus" as the source of their power.

I would think that would be a type of dominionist thought.

Scary stuff.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 12:40 AM
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12. US senators are living in a church? Paying how much rent?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 12:17 PM
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17. I saw a figure of $600 a month.
I don't know how to verify, but here's a link.

http://www.portlandphoenix.com/features/top/ts_multi/documents/02877356.asp

"The AP story relates that the Center’s tenants " dine together once a week to discuss religion in their daily lives " — a meeting described by a tenant, Representative Jim DeMint (R-SC), as a Bible study group. Most C Street lawmakers/residents refused to comment to the AP reporter or the other writers (and none would return phone calls to this writer) on their lives at the house.

But, after the AP story appeared, Representative Zach Wamp, the Tennessee Republican, was questioned by the Knoxville News Sentinel on whether his rent was improperly subsidized by a religious association. Wamp replied that the group didn’t lobby Congress. And Common Cause, the national government-ethics watchdog organization, weighed in with the supportive observation that $600 a month didn’t represent " an incredibly bargain rate " for a room in a house with shared bathrooms, even in expensive DC."
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 10:01 PM
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46. here's another article..
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 12:44 PM
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61. Interesting article. Surprised they let some of those comments stay.
Did you read them?

Yes, the $600 a month figure does appear to be about right.

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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 07:01 PM
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65. oh yeah
I read them and if you click here in the link at the underline
it is a link to the AP article.

The Associated Press wrote about the Fellowship in 2003. Interesting to note that Sen. John Ensign, who admitted to an extramarital affair, is also closely affiliated with the group and is a resident of C Street:

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 01:19 PM
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21. If it's a tax exempt group....who gets the profit?
Just a curious question.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 03:35 AM
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14. K and R
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 11:50 AM
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16. Impressive.
Edited on Thu Jul-09-09 11:50 AM by redqueen
K&R
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 12:46 PM
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18. SO...if this has 12 recs and 14 votes...WTH does that mean?
That two people unrecommended this post?

This is very confusing.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 12:56 PM
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19. So now it has 15 recs and 4 unrecs. So who did I offend enough for that.
Is it payback time for something?

I don't think I offended anyone but the Nelsons and their close religious and govt ties.

Curious how this is going to work.

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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 01:56 PM
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23. You can't say anything potentially critical about Christians.
I see a bloc of unrecommend votes for any thread that dares to delve into the shadowy connections between C Street and our (supposedly) nonreligious government.

Great post, though! I read the undercover story a while back, but this is a great big-picture view.

:hi:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 03:00 PM
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32. I think they should show the number of unrecommends.
I just went from 16 recs down to 15....so someone is finding it unworthy.

I would think the feature would be used for posts that are just way out of line either way.

I fear it is going to stop a lot of healthy discussion.
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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 06:18 AM
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51. just a bunch of contextless, garbled info. eom
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 01:49 PM
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22. TIME magazine 1974: The God Network in Washington
Interesting article I just ran across from 1974. Some famous names.

The God Network in Washington

The Ford group is only one of an intricate web of groups and individuals—almost an underground network—stretching well across religious and political boundaries, all of them part of a small but growing spiritual renaissance in Washington. It involves both those who have been hoisted to power through Watergate and those who were toppled by it. Quie, for instance, also prays with a Monday morning group that includes Senator Harold Hughes, occasionally Senator Mark Hatfield, and—from January to July—Charles Colson. When Colson went off to prison last month to begin serving a one-to-three-year sentence for obstruction of justice, he carried with him three Bibles and the promise that his prayer-group fellows would keep in touch. Other members of the Watergate cast who have recently re-examined their faith:

> James W. McCord Jr., 50, whose letter to Judge John Sirica burst the Watergate dam, has told friends that sermons in suburban Washington's Fourth Presbyterian Church had a powerful impact on his decisions that winter. On the first Sunday of January 1973, McCord, a Methodist who had started attending the church only weeks before, heard the Rev. Richard Halverson, Washington's best-known evangelical preacher, talk about the power of Satan that tempted leaders to play God. The next week, when approached by White House Aide John Caulfield, McCord refused to plead guilty and remain silent.


And about Jeb Magruder:

Jeb Stuart Magruder, 39, was accompanied by the Rev. Louis Evans Jr., of Washington's National Presbyterian Church, when he was sentenced in May for conspiring to obstruct justice. Last year after the Watergate affair had begun to unravel, Magruder joined one of the intimate "covenant" groups that Evans had started in order to feed the "spiritual hunger" in Washington. Jeb's wife Gail joined another (also attended by Mark Hatfield's wife Antoinette). The groups are small—typically only a dozen people who bind themselves to each other through eight principles or covenants. The principles include a broad sharing of time, ideas and possessions when another member needs them. His group is continuing Bible studies with Jeb by mail and visits while he is in prison.


Overall very interesting article.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 02:00 PM
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24. Think: Watergate figures and religious folks. Interesting article.
:)
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ControlledDemolition Donating Member (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 09:02 PM
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44. Christianity is increasingly being used as 'sheeps clothing'. n/t
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 02:52 PM
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29. I think she has slipped it in on every show this week.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 03:24 PM
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33. I will listen tonight. I have heard it twice.
And it is with a sort of smile, like she knows not to push it too much.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 05:40 PM
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36. Kick to see if Rachel mentions C Street again tonight.
Just for the sake of curiosity.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 06:21 PM
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37. Talk2Action has some info - "The Family" and its use of cells, explained
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/4/6/14135/88564

In "The Family", Level 2 is what the group terms "members" (this is, as an aside, how "The Family" can legitimately claim that Hillary Clinton is not a "Member" of the group--"Member" refers to the leadership circles). Most of the skunk-works goes on here; people at this stage are pretty much isolated from religious observances outside of "The Family" (and religious groups approved by the org).

Level 2 in AmWay is roughly equivalent to the Diamond level; Level 2 in Scientology would be the OT VIIs and above who've paid out $400,000 US to hear the "Super Secret of Mankind" (namely, that all of humanity's troubles are the direct result of "enturbulation" (oppression and even frank possession) by "body thetans"--alien ghosts which were the result of a mass genocide by Evil Alien Overlord Xenu when he chucked millions of other aliens in the volcanoes at Kilahuea and Las Palmas some 73 million years ago--and most religions/theologies/etc. outside of Scientology are the result of "engrams" (implanted images) shown to these unfortunates before they were dumped in volcanoes to such a level as to give poor Lady Pele a permanent case of indigestion).

Most of Sharlet's writing (before his book) where he's mentioned politicians by name have involved presumed Level 2 members of "The Family". The Level 2 members have the private Family-owned apartments et al; they also toe the line very carefully because it could explode messily if they were to escape.

Fairly confirmable Level 2 initiates (or, as "The Family" terms them, "members") include U.S. Reps. Zach Wamp, R-Tenn.; Bart Stupak, D-Mich.; Jim DeMint, R-S.C.; and Mike Doyle, D-Pa.; and U.S. Sens. John Ensign, R-Nev.; and Sam Brownback, R-Kan. (All six of these lived in Family-provided apartments.)

Other members (present and past) of Congress that may either be "Friends" or "Members" (not much documentation besides Sharlet's writing exists on this) include Senators Don Nickles and James Inhofe of Oklahoma, Charles Grassley of Iowa, Pete Domenici of New Mexico, John Ensign of Nevada, Bill Nelson of Florida, and Conrad Burns of Montana; House members that may be either "Members" or "Friends" include Frank Wolf of Virginia and Joseph Pitts of Pennsylvania.

Level 3: The men behind the curtain
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 06:53 PM
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38. Thanks.
I imagine good old Bill Nelson ranks pretty high since Grace is on the board of directors.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 07:13 PM
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39. YW & thank you for starting this thread
it is good to keep an eye on secretive incestuously political/religious groups like these. gives us a chance to try to limit the damage some of them cause.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 11:28 PM
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48. I was just amazed to see Rachel mention C Street.
It needs to be talked about.

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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 11:46 PM
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49. I am so glad Rachael is going into this too!
The Family advocates theocracy and most msm won't touch this. Keith occasionally will but unfortunately at times it is more mocking than covering the damage groups like these cause and the threat they pose. It is the 'Gawd is on Our Side, We are the CHOSEN FEW' that gave us bush/cheney and all the hell they unleashed on the world. & now apparently it gives Coburn and Sanford get out of SIN free cards cuz they seem to think it is only really bad when other people who aren't chosen like them break the rules they seek to impose on others.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 08:02 PM
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40. Rachel just mentioned it again....will have more about it tonight.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 08:47 PM
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41. Great show tonight with Rachel and Jeff Sharlet.
Kudos for the very good show..also with Richard Clarke.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 07:38 AM
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54. Rachel had a very good show tonite.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 08:52 PM
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42. Excerpts of "The Family: Power, Politics and Fundamentalism's Shadow Elite" by Jeff Sharlet - link
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TokenQueer Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 08:56 PM
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43. Margaret Atwood's "The Handmaid's Tale"
Is it just me or does this clandestine "C Street" eerily resemble Atwood's theocratic government, the Republic of Gilead? "Commanders of the Faithful", indeed. Scary stuff...
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 05:02 PM
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64. Wow. Good points. Remember that private club the men had?
where some of the women were taken, dressed up like hookers? I can see Sanford and Ensign being all pious during the day, and hanging at the special men's club in the evening.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 08:49 PM
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69. Absolutely. These people are dominionists, biblical reconstructionists,
christofascists. They have many names and many faces, but only one goal: a theocratic overthrow of the US government and imposition of rigid fundamentalist Christianity (a la the Old Testament) on everyone.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 09:53 PM
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45. These people believe they are annointed by some god to be making decisions that affect
all of us here in American, and all over the world. There is so much wrong with that idea, that it's hard to know where to begin. First, did these folks who are members of this religious coven tell their constituents that they were going to rely upon the "person of Jesus" when making decisions that are not related to their personal religious business? I guarantee you that Hillary Clinton did not tell her fellow New Yorkers--Jews, Muslims, atheists, and all--that she would, in effect, advocate for a Christian, dominionist group. John Ensign, maybe.

Second, these congresspersons and senators swear allegiance to the Constitution of the United States, not to their secret religious order. Yet, they are involved in this highly secretive group that threatens the very religious freedom that our nation is founded upon.

Finally, why are other members of the House and Senate not bringing this duplicitous and secretive group into the limelight? The names and positions of those listed as current or former members place them in very powerful places where they should not be.

And now we have another President who just cannot seem to keep his religious beliefs from being part of his appointments and policy-making. This is beyond scary. It is a grave danger to our secular government.


Thank you for bringing this up, Madflo.

Recommend.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 10:06 PM
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47. K&R
:kick:
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 12:09 AM
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50. interesting congresscritter clubs - against the people - n/t
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 06:37 AM
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52. any connection to bildeburger or bohemian grove?
skull and bones?
masons?

I think whereever there is a "secret" society, the potential for shenanigans is heightened, and undue influence.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 07:30 AM
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53. From the little bit I can gather, I get the distinct impression this
borders on, if not actually a cult. The 'members" of this group/cult are trying to justify their behaviors as some sort of official "edict from God", and that is never a good position to come from. Virtually 100% of the time, things like this come into being because some people were "caught" doing something illegal/immoral and want to find some way to justify their behavior, usually through some religious or like minded thinking. Evangelical Christians by no means own this behavior lock, stock and barrel, every religion/society has these kinds of "groups".

When these people are held to account for their behavior, they seek ways to become "martyrs for the cause", usually w/o finding such ways. The "faithful" will pour over text after text, seeking a loophole that will exonerate them, i've heard people justify the death penalty because, "Jesus was executed"; how that possibly justifies the DP is beyond me, but for them, it's just fine, go figure.

Any group of people that feel that the light of day, or the opening of their doors to others is a dangerous entity. Critical thought is not allowed, question the leader or the group...and one is cast out into the wilderness, often chased down by those who were considered confidants.

The same people who are terrified of the "secrets" of the Freemasons, create their own secret groups to feel comforted and justified in their own miserable behavior.

In short, these people are delusional and dangerous.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 12:23 PM
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59. Sharlet said last night that their behavior is excused because they were chosen by God.
That was so shocking. I had heard that, but apparently they counsel each other with such words.

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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 12:38 PM
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60. Chosen by god for what? To show the rest of humanity how
much he despises hypocrisy?

It is incredible these clowns can think how they do...:eyes: I know some think they are here to bring about the Apocalypse, they would destroy a good portion of the earth, (while protecting themselves of course), and then wonder why Jesus didn't return after the earth is a cinder. If Jesus returned, how can one explain the horrid deaths of billions in his name...it just doesn't make sense, even from a religious point of view. "I'm murdering for Jesus"...that's a clarion call for insanity.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 08:09 AM
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55. The Family=seeking absolute theocratic power.
That writer Maddow was interviewing noted their goals. They want an end to unions, all regulations, aid to the poor, Constitutional rights etc. etc. Their goal is to accumulate all power to themselves as leaders chosen by god. They see normal rules and laws as not applying to them because of this divine right to rule.
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PRETZEL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 09:03 AM
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56. I saw that interview also
I think it's that "Divineness" that scares me the most.

Moonie's lite.

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wysimdnwyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 09:33 AM
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57. Surprised this hasn't been said yet
"Members are asked not to speak about the group or its activities."

The first rule of Fight Club is: you do not talk about Fight Club.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 12:07 PM
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58. Of all the messages I've read in a year, this is the most revealing. I give you 100 mil recs. This
Edited on Fri Jul-10-09 12:09 PM by peacetalksforall
picture explains so much. Unbelievable. They deserve the opposite of what they crave - secrecy. They and their agenda deserves to be blasted all over the world.

Let your mind wanter back over many hints of things that happened that faded from the front screen on DU and other sites - events that never got a run at notoriety compared to the things that they decide should be broadcast and discussed.

Wasn't it a year ago, that Nelson led that ugly, questionable, traitorous act that favored Hillary Clinton and resulted in so many horrible Party handicaps and forms of destruction, including the disgusting way they attacked Howard Dean and the DNC and anyone who wanted to not change the rules at the last minute and not enter into discussions. I can't say that it was planned on C Street or in Arlington, but the players, the modus, the history matches other things where we see the partnership and outcomes.

What number of years ago did the highly religious of Congress hold a crowning of Rev Moon and his wife as master of Christendom or whatever it was. They used a government property and it was done on a government paid working day? An atrocious act against the separation of church and state.

How many weeks has it been since we were discussing the religious conversion of the Air Force men - and look at who is a member or boarder - a General.

We call the Moon method a cult. This is also a cult.

The first characteristic of a cult - secrecy.
The second - conversion.
The third - control.
The Fourth - a face of being holier than everyone else who they are free to trample on (us - by their votes, their acceptance of money, their cunning deals - and for their members - a mind and habit dungeon of chains.

I am furious at every vote made by any member or any non-member that they influenced to vote for their causes. This is not their CHURCH OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA - we are NOT THEIR PAGANS.

So what is the relationship of this cult with those members of AIPAC and JINSA? I would offer the thought that they work very closely together. Someone several decades ago convinced Robertson, Falwell, and the other top proselytizers to accept and partner with certain Jews for their disparate and molded together causes.

Government employees who operate in secret for their own purposes instead of the purposes of our nation - at a sub-government secret level MUST BE EXPOSED. We have to know who we are dealing with. We have to know and understand what our government is doing. Very few congressional representatives are able to fight these people. We know what they are trying to do to Kucinich, Dean, and what they are probably going to do to Sanders if those three don't stop talking for ALL THE PEOPLE, for fairness FOR ALL THE PEOPLE - WITHOUT A SECRET SOCIETY BEHIND THEM - A SOCIETY BENT ON CONVERSION AND CONTROL.

It is obvious to flash forward and know where they are headed - and it involves all the the corporations and thieving ceo's that they can partner with.

The corporations have not been able to hide from us, these people have.

The hypocrisy drips with irony and their disdain for those of us who want our country for ourselves, not for them.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 04:15 PM
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62. Crooks & Liars has the video of last night's show up now! link:
Edited on Fri Jul-10-09 04:22 PM by Shallah Kali
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/rachel-maddow-show-christian-conservatisms


Also Talk2Action which covers stealthy theocratic groups like these has many articles covering The Family's many connections for years now. Here is a link to several found by searching for mentions of the current head's name Doug Coe: http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22doug+coe%22&btnG=Google+Search&domains=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.talk2action.org%2F&sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.talk2action.org%2F
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 04:58 PM
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63. Thanks for the link. Talk2Action does a great job on this topic.
You are right.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 07:49 PM
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66. KO says Rachel will cover it again tonight.
Kick
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 07:54 PM
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67. Projectile vomit emoticon. nt
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 08:58 PM
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70. kicking because I can't believe so many DUers were unaware/&/or unconcerned about this group.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 10:20 PM
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71. Links to youtube of Maddows report tonight:
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 10:41 PM
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72. here are some dots....CNP, C street house, Christian reconstructionism. have fun:
C Street House:

religious right watch: Maddow's coverage of religious right group ... Maddow's coverage of religious right group, The Family, and The C Street House ... Christian Reconstructionism · Christian Right ...
www.religiousrightwatch.com/.../maddows-coverage-of-religious-right-group-the-family-and-the-c-street-house.html - Similar

Jeffrey Sharlet; Jesus plus nothing ("The Family" on C-Street ... 14 posts - 9 authors - Last post: 2 days ago
The house is a handsome, gray, two-story colonial that smells of new carpet and Pine-Sol ..... Christian Reconstructionism is up there too. ...
www.democraticunderground.org/discuss/duboard.php?az...all... - Similar

Warped worldview: Christian reconstructionists believe democracy ... Warped worldview: Christian reconstructionists believe democracy is heresy, public schools are satanic and stoning isn't just for the Taliban anymore--and ...
www.thefreelibrary.com/Warped+worldview:+Christian+reconstructionists+believe+democracy+is...-a0148867067 - Cached - Similar

Politics & Religion God in the White House: The Faiths of American Presidents. .... For a critique of Christian Reconstructionism see Clarkson's Eternal Hostility or House's Dominion Theology.) Segers, Mary C. Piety, Politics and Pluralism: Religion, the Courts and ... Public Affairs Television 356 West 58th St. New York, NY 10019. ...
www.mainstreambaptists.org/mbn/politics.htm - Cached - Similar

POLITICAL AMAZON: Christian Reconstructionism What the heck is it about Christian Reconstructionism that attracts the nutballs? ... association with the Christian Identity/patriot movement), it is a two-way street. ... C. You've got the potential for a disaster of epic proportions. ...
www.politicalamazon.com/cr.html - Cached - Similar

Jesus' General: Christian Reconstructionism with a Kung Fu Grip May 15, 2007 ... Christian Reconstructionism with a Kung Fu Grip. Chuck Norris ... That's why I'm asking you to go to St. Philip's Episcopal Church in ... I now simply hit Control+C to copy everything I put into the comment and then hit ...
patriotboy.blogspot.com/.../christian-reconstructionism-with-kung.html - Cached - Similar

PublicEye.org - Leaderless Resistance: Remedial Bibliography New York: St. Martin's. Mason, Lorna. 2006. Insurgency on the Populist Right: A Case ... Trampled Science, Policy, and Democracy in George W. Bush's White House. ... Rapoport, David C. 1993. "Comparing Militant Fundamentalist Movements and ... Christian Reconstructionism & Dominion Theology. Barron, Bruce. 1992. ...
www.publiceye.org/liberty/terrorism/insurgency/biblio.html - Cached - Similar

Talk To Action | Christian Economics, the John Birch Society, and ... Reconstuctionist Dr. Joseph C. Moorecraft, III was the minister of the church, ... And this also ties the trail back to Christian Reconstructionism Rushdoony was a .... Hagee, some in the GOP and possibly some in the White House too : ..... Booman TribuneePluribus Media My Left Wing Political Cortex Street Prophets ...
www.talk2action.org/story/2007/3/5/172426/4273 - Cached - Similar

Christian Reconstructionism@Everything2.com Christian Reconstructionism is a subgroup of the radical Christian Right. ... This difference comes about from how they interpret one quote from Christ, and several different quotes from St. Paul; all quotes here are from The Living Bible; Paraphrased, by Tyndale House Publishers. ... (I like it!) 2 C!s ...
everything2.com/title/Christian%2520Reconstructionism - Cached - Similar

The ADF's Reconstructionist Ties | Americans United Christian Reconstructionists are a small, but many would say influential, ... 518 C Street NE Washington, DC 20002. (202) 466-3234, fax: (202) 466-2587 ...
www.au.org/media/church-and-state/.../the-adfs-recon.html - Cached - Similar

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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 10:48 PM
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73. Christian Reconstructionism
you'll see lots of cross-indexed names on just these three pages:

New Age Ties of Spiritual Counterfeits Project 4 Doug Coe and Barbara Marx Hubbard co-hosted the NEW AGE “Bridging Through ..... of Christian Reconstructionist R.J. Rushdooney's* Chalcedon Foundation, ...
watch.pair.com/cult-scp4.html - Cached - Similar

Daily Kos: Mother Jones "Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics" Poll "If Doug Coe can get you some face time with the President of the United States .... Christian Reconstructionist. How dangerous are they? read it in Orange ...
www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/20/195047/896/.../481119 - Cached - Similar

EXPOSÉ: THE “CHRISTIAN” MAFIA The term “Christian Mafia” is what several Washington politicians have .... and the so-called Christian dominionists/reconstructionists now contemplate a ..... an Oregonian Christian youth worker named Douglas Coe, set out to make ...
www.insider-magazine.com/ChristianMafia.htm - Cached - Similar

What is the Religious Right up to? by Glenn Scriven Are We Heading ... Dominionism is closely related to Christian Reconstructionism. ..... As Doug Coe left, my brothers' hearts were beating hard: for the poor, for a covenant. ...
www.uuhemet.org/Glenn1.htm - Cached - Similar

Crusade Watch, Religious Conversion Watch, Evangelism watch ... The Fellowship and Doug Coe reached out to the most radical elements in the Islamic .... One other prominent Christian reconstructionist member of Reagan's ...
www.crusadewatch.org/index.php?option=com...9 - Cached - Similar

John Lomperis -- President Bush Called "Evil," Evangelicals ... May 31, 2005 ... Miller also claimed that there was "significant Christian extremism ... "through and through" by Doug Coe's Virginia-based Christian group known ... the vast majority of American evangelicals were not Reconstructionists, ...
www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles5/LomperisNCCSlander.php - Cached - Similar

Diane Vera ( Links to info about Christian Reconstructionism and Dominion Theology ) ... Her pastor, Doug Coe, runs a secretive, cultish group called "The Family" or ...
diane-vera.livejournal.com/ - Cached - Similar

Talk To Action | The Christian Right, Dominionism, and Theocracy ... Dominionism vs Reconstructionism et al (none / 0) .... Then there are the groups like Doug Coe who seem less bent on the open theocracy and ...
www.talk2action.org/story/2005/11/28/172929/14 - Cached - Similar

Conspiracy Planet - Phony Religion - The Fellowship: 'Christian ... A student of the un-Christian German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, .... and the so-called Christian dominionists/reconstructionists now contemplate a ..... an Oregonian Christian youth worker named Douglas Coe, set out to make ...
www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=98... - Cached - Similar

Michael Jackson, Mind Control Victim? Jun 28, 2009 ... Getter quotes the group’s long-time leader, Doug Coe, 73, as saying that ... a major Christian reconstructionist proponent, and an ardent ...
www.mail-archive.com/...com/msg04438.html - Cached - Similar

this last, I know...but, then again, when/if the whole Family story gets out, who knows what's going to be revealed?

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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 10:51 PM
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74. then, there's always the CNP. Hey, Hillary, what's the deal with the Family, anyway?
Archive Council for National Policy | Illuminati Conspiracy ... The deep politics of the Council For National Policy (CNP) and the ... Tags: Doug Coe, The Family Posted in Council for National Policy | No Comments » ...
www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?cat=83 - Cached - Similar

New Age Ties of Spiritual Counterfeits Project 4 Doug Coe and Barbara Marx Hubbard co-hosted the NEW AGE “Bridging Through ..... Today and also dean of the Wilberforce Forum with Chuck Colson . ...
watch.pair.com/cult-scp4.html - Cached - Similar

Facilitators of Lausanne Addendum Then in 1987 it was a combination of Doug Coe (a Mark Hatfield associate), ..... Is he continuing to write articles for John Ankerberg's Harbor ...
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Christian Activists - The TOP 500 Groups & Their Leaders! Matthew Barnett, Pastor & Leader of 130+ Dream Center Churches, CNP ... Doug Coe, The Stealth Persuaders. Sheila Cole, Ex. Dir Republican Study Com. ...
www.devils-best-friend.com/Christian-ActivistsWhos-Who.html - Cached - Similar

“THE FAMILY” AND ITS HIJACKING OF EVANGELICALISM – Part 2 ... Remembering his involvement with Doug Coe, I absent mindedly grabbed the book and ... Gold Lake Secrecy Pact Discovered in Conversations with Doug Coe's ...
truthspeaker.wordpress.com/.../the-family-and-its-hijacking-of-evangelicalism-part-2/ - Cached - Similar

new age and evangelicalism « Truthspeaker's Weblog Remembering his involvement with Doug Coe, I absent mindedly grabbed the book and .... We have asked two close friends, Barbara Marx Hubbard and Doug Coe to ...
truthspeaker.wordpress.com/.../new-age-and-evangelicalism/ - Cached - Similar

Political Ties to a Secretive Religious Group Hillary Clinton's connection with Doug Coe Clinton's prayer group was ...... of the secret Council for National Policy/CNP and a member of the Coalition on ...
www.scribd.com/.../Political-Ties-to-a-Secretive-Religious-Group - Cached - Similar

hiddenmysteries: EXPOSE: THE "CHRISTIAN" MAFIA (PART 2) The Fellowship and Doug Coe reached out to the most radical elements in the ..... member of the secretive Council for National Policy (CNP) – a right-wing ...
hiddenmysteries.net/geeklog/article.php?story...mode... - Cached - Similar

The Revealer: February 2005 Archives ... Sarah Posner delivers a thorough investigation of the Council for National Policy (CNP), ... SD), he says that the "C Street ministry" of Doug Coe. ...
www.therevealer.org/archives/2005_02.php - Cached - Similar

The Alnors: A Review Then in 1987 it was a combination of Doug Coe (a Mark Hatfield associate), .... D. James Kennedy (Senior Pastor, Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church), ...
www.seekgod.ca/alnors.htm - Cached - Similar
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 11:05 PM
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75. har de hah hah....even the Golf Channel knows about C Street!
http://www.thegolfchannel.com/golf-forum/the-republicans-c-street-house-163169/?go=1&dz=4F622975-5CBF-4FC9-B12D-FD22A1219072

one ignoramo sums up the support for the Xtian Recons:

To: Papi_ In response to Post 1
"In their own personal lives, C Street members ..."

Honesty would have made that sentence "in their own personal lives, TWO of the members have been less than perfect-- still better than about 90% of liberals, but not perfect.

What a screed. It reeks of envy more than anything.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 11:42 AM
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79. Whether religion or war . . . much can be hidden behind it -- !!!
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 11:24 PM
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76. Very good interview w/Sharlet by pagan blog The Wild Hunt - link
Edited on Fri Jul-10-09 11:50 PM by Shallah Kali
The Wild Hunt: Interview with Jeff Sharlet

You talk about the differences and similarities between the “populist” and “elitist” branches of American fundamentalism (together forming a “popular front”). With The Family typifying an elitist manifestation, and evangelical mega-churches like Colorado’s New Life Church (formerly headed by disgraced pastor Ted Haggard) typifying the “populist” branch. I was struck by how New Life actively worked to drive out Pagan Witches and other undesirables from their city. Is driving out the “Witches” (the religious “other”) a shared goal between the populist and elitist branches? Or simply the consequence of fundamentalist Christianity coming into power?

Some populist fundamentalists have actually criticized The Family for their willingness to make peace with and conference with those whom they lump under the label of “New Agers.” That was years ago, when Family leaders, like many conservative evangelicals, saw the wide array of beliefs they lumped under “New Age” as a threat to Christianity. They don’t, anymore – not because they’ve made their peace with those beliefs but because they don’t think those followers of those beliefs have much power. Ultimately, the inner circle of The Family considers all non-monotheistic beliefs “demonic.” At their C Street House for congressmen, they used to have a prayer calendar listing spiritual war targets for the day – Tibetan Buddhism, Hinduism, Wicca, etc.

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So how do those opposed to what The Family is trying to do fight back? What is this groups Achilles heel? Is there anything anyone can do to minimize their influence on America and the world?

Of course! The first step is what we’re doing right here: talking about these issues, educating ourselves. The Family prospers when the public doesn’t pay attention. One of my favorite examples of a public fighting back occurred in 2004 in Norway. After I first wrote about The Family for Harper’s, some Norwegian journalists noticed that their new, socially conservative prime minister was jetting around the world to prayer breakfasts on the public dime. So they came to America and investigated. They discovered that this social conservative movement had strong ties with The Family, that their ambassador was taking policy meetings with John Ashcroft at The Family’s headquarters. So they put it on the front page of the paper, for two weeks. A mini Norwegian Watergate. And that government got the boot. That expose wasn’t the only factor, but it was one of them. When Doug Coe showed up in Norway this spring to talk with the king of Norway, the papers responded again, with a banner headline and a picture of Coe: “Hitler-admirer received by King.”

THAT’S public accountability. Let’s try it in America! Let’s tell Obama that we respect his desire to include people of faith – all faiths and no faith – in the public square, but we want him to recognize that not everybody is operating in good faith. Let’s pay attention to our local representatives. In 2004, a Democratic challenger to Rep. Frank Wolf, a longtime Family associate and conservative Republican from Northern Virginia, publicized Wolf’s Family ties. The Washington Post immediately editorialized that such a connection was impossible – and THEN sent a reporter to prove it so. So we need to hold the media accountable, too. We need them to ask smarter – and tougher – questions about religion. When we encounter monotheist politicians – that is, those who consider only monotheism legitimate – we need to give them loud refreshers in the history of the Founders, who were quite clear that they meant the First Amendment to extend to everyone, regardless of their beliefs.

I’m not a Pagan, but I’d also love to see some Pagan candidates for office. We’ll all benefit from that. Even if Pagans don’t win major offices – and they won’t, at least for awhile – their very presence in the public square helps everybody think about what pluralism means, what democracy means. Democracy isn’t something we HAVE, it’s something we make. The Family doesn’t like it. They call it “the din of the vox populi.” The din of the voice of the people. So we know what we need to do: Let’s make some noise.


Read the rest of the blog here: http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/07/interview-with-jeff-sharlet.html

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a few more links

FDL Book Salon Welcomes Jeff Sharlet: The Family, The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power

Focusing on The Family
Journalist Jeff Sharlet went undercover to infiltrate the secretive Washington, D.C., religious organization, The Family. Sarah Posner asks him what they want, and how they go about getting it.>

This is not a Religion Column: Biblical Capitalism:
The roots of the economic crisis tap directly into a movement within American fundamentalism. Much has been made of Palin's Pentecostalism but her links to The Family go unnoticed>

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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 09:15 AM
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77. Just read this and thought it needed a kick.
This is something that should stay in the forefront.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 11:39 AM
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78. Male . . . secretive . . . obviously we need to know more about C-Street and what it's hiding ...
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HOLOS Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 11:42 AM
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80. YES
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 07:42 AM
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81. Beyond disturbing. Horrifying to know that a "secretive religious group" has this
kind of influence over national and world affairs.
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