Update on McNair: - murdered while asleep

[WillieW]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090709/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_mcnair_killed


By LUCAS L. JOHNSON II, Associated Press Writer Lucas L. Johnson Ii, Associated Press Writer – 43 mins ago

NASHVILLE, Tenn. – Former NFL star Steve McNair was shot dead in his sleep last week by a 20-year-old girlfriend distraught about mounting financial problems and her belief that he was seeing someone else, police said Wednesday.

Sahel Kazemi "was spinning out of control" when she shot McNair four times as he dozed on a sofa early Saturday, then turned the gun on herself, Police Chief Ronal Serpas said.

Interviews with friends revealed that she was making payments on two cars, her rent was doubling and she suspected the married McNair was having a second affair with another young woman.

She told a friend on Friday that "My life is a ball of s--- and I should end it," Serpas


I was predicting exactly this scenario. Well, at least, he didn't feel any pain.

[Canuckistanian]

1. The autopsy could tell he was sleeping?

Lack of "defensive wounds" doesn't always mean the victim was unconscious.

And the claim of her own death that she "tried to stage it so she would fall in his lap" is pure speculation.

These were just senseless deaths at the hands of a mentally disturbed woman.

[jobycom]

6. The first shot was from an inch away from his right temple, so they are assuming

that he would have reacted if he had been awake. Plus, they would see the expression on his face. It's an assumption based on evidence (some of which they may not release to the public), but it could be wrong. As for the position of her body, they can tell mostly where she must have been sitting when she was shot, and how she must have been positioned. They are guessing at her intentions, but it's not pure speculation. It's informed speculation. And again, there may be details they don't want to release.

Sad, sad story.

[Ex Lurker]

26. expression on his face?

does it freeze in the position of the moment of death of something?

[MadMaddie]

2. So let me get this straight

This 20 year old is mad at the world because she has two car payments (Why would a 20 year old need two cars?), she thinks he is cheating on her with another woman (when she is committing adultry with him), her rent is doubling (then fucking move?)

So she buys a gun two days before the murder, her family knows this and knows she is desperate and they do nothing?

She then commits homicide and then suicide? Really? Was this the only answer?


What have I missed?

[NashVegas]

7. Lesson: Never Screw Around On Your Wife With Someone

Who looks like a girl your coke dealer would introduce you to.

A lot of us didn't want to believe it was murder-suicide. I think we wanted to have someone to be pissed off at, who we can send to trial, and to jail.

[MadMaddie]

8. Agreed!!

[Maru Kitteh]

23. I have one girl in that age range who has no concept of next week, let alone a lifetime

It appears Mr. McNair chose his companion(s?) on the basis of "hotness," sexual repertoire and the desperate naivete of youth.

He chose poorly.

[lumberjack_jeff]

30. Much like Nicole Brown Simpson chose badly.

Oops!... that would be blaming the victim, wouldn't it?

[Maru Kitteh]

32. I do not hold women who remain in abusive relationships blameless, NBS had left OJ's abusive ass

however, so your oh so clever point is full of fail.

Bummer.

[lumberjack_jeff]

35. Unlike the 'he brought it on himself' message of your post? No fail there? n/t

[Maru Kitteh]

36. His actions were noble.

he had no other option.

[lumberjack_jeff]

37. Glad to hear that intimate partner violence is no longer a problem. n/t

[NashVegas]

39. Stating a Simple Fact Isn't Unfairly Criticizing

Steve DID choose poorly, not only with this woman in particular but in letting his pecker lead him around all over Nashville, from what I'm hearing.

Stating "he chose poorly" does not equal "he deserved to die" in any way you can try to construct it.

[lumberjack_jeff]

40. self delete

[customerserviceguy]

22. It's also good

to avoid someone about half your age, as well. Steve, you were a great quarterback, but you sure picked an ineligible "receiver" this time...

[LisaL]

12. She also had an ex-boyfriend who appeared to be crazy about her.

He had "I want you back" playing on his myspace. WTF knows why people do things they do.

[Wabbajack_]

28. You missed that she was a crazy bitch

who thinks it's her right to kill her lover if she thinks he's cheating.

[Gwendolyn]

3. Slightly off topic...

... but this sounds like so many stories over the past year where people seem to off themselves without exhausting all possible resources. Like the woman in Florida with the two dogs who killed herself the moment the officials came to evict her. The spate of families found dead after the husband lost his job, or the home went into foreclosure. Even some comments here by people who've occasionally posted that they'll wait until their last savings hold out, then they may opt out for good.

It's as though hopelessness has pervaded society. Or maybe the idea of death has become more palatable in general. Or the idea that poverty or financial ruin is so despised and scorned, people feel too ashamed to live.

[MadMaddie]

9. And that is why "Hope" is not a joke after all!!

Without hope their is despair. As cheesy as that sounds it's true.

We have a society that is fractured, our communities are unable to form a self reliance because of being conditioned not to have self reliance.
I am hoping that this changes.

[Gwendolyn]

21. I agree with you. Hope is everything!

[abumbyanyothername]

10. I am nowhere near offing myself or anyone else but . . .

I am out of a (200K+/year) job. We weren't fully staying current while I had the job (pulling a little money each month out of home equity to balance the income/expense sheet).

For over a year now (I saw this coming with certainty before Bear Stearns went down). I have been trying to open a discussion and otherwise impress upon my wife that our standard of living is going to change. She doesn't want to hear it, and does everything in her power to avoid the conversation, block any sort of planning, etc.

As a friend of mine says, "The plane is going to land. If the pilot is skilled and alert we will have one kind of landing. If the pilot is drunk in his seat we have another. If there is no pilot we have another. But the plane will come down." And our lifestyle will change.

But having been through the experience for over a year now, I would never assume that the husband who lost his job had failed to exhaust all available opportunities. I am guessing that my wife would rather be dead than leave LA for Iowa. But she is a little short on alternatives. So far. We are working on it.

[petersjo02]

16. Don't sell Iowa short.

Great place to live and raise kids. Excellent public school, among many other good things. And in Iowa, rush hour is really just "rush minute."

[abumbyanyothername]

19. I would be OK with Iowa . . .

spotted an 11 acre farm less than two miles from my son, daughter-in-law and new granddaughter, available for less than 1/3 of the equity we still have in our home, could probably build a home about twice the size of this one with the rest of the equity . . . .

But she's not going.

Whether I am or not is still up in the air. I am trying to figure out how we can stay together but I don't know . . . .

[Gwendolyn]

20. I understand completely. Lost my job too last year and it took months to sink in.

And it's been a struggle back up again. I didn't mean to sound flip if I did, and get that people despair and sometimes it's overwhelming. The older you are, the harder it may be to face dire circumstances as well I suppose, but it seems that so many relatively young people are willing to give up when they should be camping out on a friend's couch the way we did when we were young and poor. Expectations of attaining wealth and success... the bar seems to be set so high.

Good luck with your situation btw... we downgraded for awhile, and still some, but schmaltzy as it sounds, that old Sonny and Cher tune applies. Your wife will survive outside of LA.

[LisaL]

11. Well if she was ashamed to live why didn't she just kill herself?

[Gwendolyn]

17. Revenge, spite, going out in a media splash of glory instead of dying alone in her hovel apt?

I'm guessing. After all the other stuff listed in the story that was already sinking her ego, they get stopped and she goes to jail on a DUI while he walks. He possibly asked her to drive that night, (another sacrifice for him) and even though he came back later to bail her out, that must have been quite the blow. I would have felt like total trash.

She wasn't any good at the mistressing thing, since she couldn't even get him to pay for the car. Must have been frustrating as hell to be so close to wealth and glamor/glitz, and just not quite have what it takes to get there. I've met a few women just like her.

Even though she was obviously troubled, incredible that at the age of 20 she felt that McNair was her last chance Texaco. People have such impossible expectations.

[Thegonagle]

18. I can see why. I'm considering personal bankruptcy, but not offing myself.

But I'm in a much better position to "start over" than many. I have no kids, wife, or other dependents, I'm 34 years old, and considering my parentage, I started with almost nothing anyway. I can do it again. Some people with kids and families don't feel so optimistic.

[LisaL]

24. She was 20, no kids.

Surely she had other options other than killing herself.

[lumberjack_jeff]

31. I think you're discounting the relevance of the first word in "MURDER-suicide".

People who commit suicide often deserve some degree of compassion. Those who murder? Not.

[Gwendolyn]

34. I don't have any compassion for her, though.

Four kids are sans a dad, and a man lost his life because of her actions. I just find it incredible that young people are willing to throw away life so easily. In this case a 20-year-old who took another's, as well as her own.

[TNDemo]

4. He must have gone right to sleep since he got there

about 1:00 (I think). I don't know how they can say he was sleeping. He was probably sitting on the couch and saying stuff to piss her off (like maybe he was staying with his wife or going to girlfriend #2) and she offed him.

[Mojambo]

5. They say dying in your sleep is a nice peaceful way to go. n/t

[vadawg]

14. its got to be better than popping of whilst pooping in the john..

[Ex Lurker]

27. apparently a lot of people go that way n/t

[Maru Kitteh]

33. More than you'll ever see reported in the obit columns, that's for sure, LOL.

Avoid straining.

Eat your vegetables.

That is all. :-)

[dysfunctional press]

25. that was my first thought as well...

but you'd already posted it.

:rofl:

[jobycom]

13. I have a lot of questions about her, but I guess most will never get answered.

She was obviously depressed, and obviously no one was helping her. Another blight on our great and glorious society.

But there are other questions. Like, was McNair telling her he was going to marry her and divorce his wife, or was she imagining it, or was she making it up so her friends and family wouldn't think she was being used? If McNair was dangling her like that, then he, at least in that, was a shit. He didn't deserve to die over it, but if he's yanking a 20 year old around like that and not caring about her emotions, and then not noticing or caring about the other signs of her depression, then he wasn't the person he was cracked up to be.

If she was delusional about his intentions, then maybe she had a more serious mental health issue than depression, and all of her financial problems just added to it. Maybe McNair was being honest with her, and she fantasized that his intentions were grander. She was paying for her cars and paying rent, so it doesn't sound like McNair was "keeping" her, which does imply that he wasn't making promises. Doesn't prove it, though.

And the last possibility is that she was manipulative, and was telling her family and friends that they were going to be married, either to hype herself up of just to keep from looking like a fool. Maybe it was all collapsing around her, and she decided to do this to keep from being discovered in her lies. That could be mental illness, too, or it could just be someone getting themselves into a desperate situation and not knowing how to get out.

Or it could have been a combination of those, or none of those. And maybe we'll never know.

Just too sad, all the way around. Two people shouldn't have died.

[lumberjack_jeff]

41. Maybe, maybe maybe. The main answered question is that she was a stone cold killer.

[jobycom]

43. If she was sane and sober, yes. nt

[Catherine Vincent]

15. Just horrible!

I feel so bad for his wife and kids. And the family of the 20 year old too.

[politicasista]

29. A very, very sad chapter

that could have been prevented. And McNair wasn't the only one at fault. :(

[lies and propaganda]

38. Fuck that chick

weak bitch murders him while he sleeps? Fuck her to no end. Took a dudes life over SEX. So disgusted and saddened that it turned out like this.

[madokie]

42. I feel bad for her

but he knew better and because of his failure to do what was right to begin with she is now dead. Thats how I see it anyway

[Art_from_Ark]

44. So many loose ends in this story

such as the co-renter of the condo, who walked in while the couple were lying dead and didn't notice anything out of the ordinary, then phoned his friend instead of 911 when he realized what happened. What's up with that?

Then there was the account that McNair arrived at the condo after Kazemi, so if they had had an argument, why did he go to sleep?

Of course there is always the possibility that someone walked in while they were both asleep and knocked them off, then shot McNair several more times after that.

And that then brings on the next question-- since so many shots were apparently fired, wouldn't someone have heard them? Why did no one call 911?