Why does Obama want to make Monsanto's Mike Taylor, who dumped pus in our milk, a food regulator?

[Karmadillo]

The headline comes from Lambert at Corrente.

http://www.correntewire.com/why_does_obama_want_make_mike_taylor_who_put_pus_our_milk_food_regulator

Why does Obama want to make Monsanto's Mike Taylor, who dumped pus in our milk, a food regulator?

Mon, 07/06/2009 - 6:59pm — lambert
I love Natasha, but sometimes her headlines don't quite tell the story.

not much more...

http://food.change.org/blog/view/mike_taylor_for_food_safety_coordinator
by Natasha Chart

Mike Taylor for Food Safety Coordinator

Obama's considering appointing a former Monsanto vice president, Mike Taylor, to head the Food Safety Working Group at the FDA.

As Jill Richardson writes at LaVidaLocavore at the link above, Taylor thinks the FDA wastes too much time on food safety inspections at meat packing plants. Further, he believes that one of their main problems is that they have to slow down their line speed too much.

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As also noted at the Ethicurean, Taylor is the reason milk from rBGH/rBST cows doesn't have to be labeled. Bovine growth hormone is perfectly safe, after all. Except for cows, or humans who drink its breakdown products in milk.

So yes, Mike Taylor is the person we have to thank for putting pus from mastitis-infected cows into the milk supply, and exposing milk-drinking Americans by the millions to greater cancer risks.

more...

http://www.milksucks.com/pus.asp

got...pus?

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Any milk with a somatic cell count of higher than 200 million per liter should not enter the human food supply, according to the dairy industry. Therefore, anyone living in a state where the somatic cell count is higher than 200 million shouldn’t be drinking milk. There’s only one problem—every state but Hawaii is producing milk with pus levels so high that it shouldn’t enter the human food supply! At the bottom of this page, you can see how high the pus levels in your state’s milk are. Even the national average, at 322 million, is well above the industry’s limit.

One culprit causing the hundreds of millions of pus cells in every liter of milk may be “bovine growth hormone,” the Monsanto chemical company’s growth hormone marketed as Posilac. Posilac is now widely used by dairy farmers to increase the amount of milk that their already overburdened cows produce. Because cows are not built to produce this much milk, they are prone to a painful udder infection called mastitis. When they are milked, pus and bacteria from the infection flow right along with the milk. The journal Nature reported that Posilac increases somatic cells—pus—in the milk by a whopping 19 percent! Researchers estimate that an ordinary glass of milk contains between one and seven drops of pus. This isn’t just disgusting—it can also be dangerous. Pus can contain paratuberculosis bacteria, which are believed to cause Crohn’s disease in human beings.

more...

[Captain Hilts]

1. Same reason as for GE's legal defender for polluting theHudson as DoJ's environmental oversight tsar

[Duval]

148. Could the reason possibly be

that Obama doesn't know? If so, then it is up to the "people" (us) to inform him. As a matter of fact, it is actually up to us to make our needs and wants known, not only with calls and emails, but also with planned marches that have thousands participating. I believe we do have the power if we come out in huge numbers. Of course, we have to have a plan to override our Corporate Media.:think:

[glitch]

175. Kathleen Sebelius confirms today that he got the job

http://www.foodpolitics.com/2009/07/michael-taylor-appointed-to-fda-a-good-choice/
This blogger happens to approve of him, but she did confirm the rumor.

Sorry for tagging the lead but there's a lot of dispute below.

[pleah]

2. More change you can believe in?

:banghead:

[MissDeeds]

71. Good one

Now watch the apologists come out and try to spin this. The same people who'd be screaming to the rafters (and rightly so) if Bush did this will try to find a way to rationalize Obama's decision. Bad choices are bad choices, regardless of whether you have a "D" or an "R" after your name.

[bobbolink]

3. Hair of the dog that bit ya?

Because he's too far left?

:shrug:

[Autumn]

4. God I hope not

that is just too fucked up.

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

108. yeah,

what the fuck is wrong with him?

Seriously, WTF?

It's time to start questioning his judgement. He has not only NOT done the things he promised the people he took money from $5.00 at a time - many of them working without health insurance or a living wage, (if they had a living wage they wouldn't be contributing $5.00 a paycheck or a month) he has appointed people that could not support his agenda.

WTF is wrong with him?

WTF!

[ColbertWatcher]

5. Because good old Mike has the ear of the President.

While the rest of us are far, far away.

We're those protesters he joked about when he visited Beverly Hills a few months ago.

There are so many of us, how can he know what we're saying?

But, he does like that we shout whatever it is we're shouting.

[Luminous Animal]

6. Obama needs to watch "Food, Inc."

He needs to watch it with his children.

[abumbyanyothername]

14. Not just Obama. +1

But perhaps especially Obama.

[Enthusiast]

76. Believe me, Obama knows all about Food, Inc.

He is simply choosing to align himself with the interests of corporate America. We need publicly financed elections.

[Echo In Light]

128. The most obvious conclusion is the one most tend to fervently avoid n/t

[truth2power]

137. Abso-friggin-lutely!! Publically financed elections. n/t

[Sebastian Doyle]

7. Well, he already put VilSUCK at agriculture

And that soulless bastard has been prostituting himself out to MonSatan for years. :grr:

[jgraz]

10. And Salazar at Interior

You know, the guy who voted to allow diseased and dying cattle into our food supply.

[glitch]

12. "moderate" just doesn't quite mean what it used to, does it?

:puke:

[jgraz]

18. Oh, I dunno

Since I can remember, "moderate" has always meant "closet corporatist".

I guess they're just coming out of the closet.

[nosmokes]

26. exactly! moderate is simply code for corporate.

[Hubert Flottz]

168. moderate =

"For Sale!"

[donheld]

171. moderate =

[Hubert Flottz]

202. LOL!

[amyrose2712]

214. +

[glitch]

29. You're probably right.

I'm an old-timer, for me corporatist means fascist, so I gave moderates the benefit of their label.
Big mistake with closet types.

[jgraz]

44. It means the same thing to me

But I use the word "corporatist" because it's more easily understood and less inflammatory. Call someone a "fascist" and the conversation is pretty much over.

[glitch]

53. Sadly true. Like the word "liberal" an excellent example of how the far right has framed the

discourse in this country.

[Enthusiast]

79. Exactly, glitch.

And they can frame the discourse because corporate power has been allowed to grow until they own the entire media.

[glitch]

83. That's why I like to use words the corporate media have declared non grata.

Bring 'em back, then when the strawmen come out in response, bat them down. Teachable moments. :hi:

[Duval]

149. "Fascism should more appropriately be called

Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

[truedelphi]

160. Most people are unaware that Benito Mussolini was the darling of

The artists and writers and free thinkers way back in the late teens.

Very mesmerizing and very personable. And he used those qualities of his character to bring about his nation's conversion to Fascism.

[glitch]

179. Excellent quote and belated welcome to DU! nt

[FogerRox]

Yup, Nixon started OSHA, EPA, CLean Air Act, CLean Water act

Makes Nixon look liberal and Bill Clinton, not so.

[glitch]

73. Surreal actually having lived through it. We need to retake our language from the PR creeps. nt

[jwirr]

8. Not another fox guarding the hen house! What is wrong with Obama?

[conscious evolution]

17. Nothing

He is doing exactly what his corporate bosses hired him to do.

[SammyWinstonJack]

78. Exactly right!

[GreenPartyVoter]

121. Yep

[kenfrequed]

146. Yeah

Basically a primo example of an Iron triangle. Where the industry lobbies and buys congress, congress makes beneficial laws, and bureaucrats are ex-industry people to assure that those laws are most beneficially enforced to the industry.


The whole thing is revolting.


When is it the progressive-left issue based democrats are going to be let into the tent to influence appointments, legislation, or friggin anything???!!!

[truedelphi]

9. Answer about why Obama is doing this?

What else would a Corporate-Owned Politician do these days?

:shrug:

[snappyturtle]

70. Maybe he's owned by the wrong corporation.

Yesterday I bought a Kraft hormone free shredded cheddar. I had never seen it before. In Googling this morning I found this article that is a year and a half old: Kraft Stabs Monsanto in the Back...New Kraft rBGH Free Cheese.......

http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_9711.cfm

Obviously, Kraft is listening to consumers' concerns about hormones in food. The 8 oz. package I bought was a little under 40 cents more than the 'regular' package.

[Enthusiast]

82. That is because there is a market

for such a product. In the future we will all have to pay a premium for safe food, food that is free of steroids, weird genetic changes or antibiotics. Think about it. It's all part of the scheme.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

99. +1

Good thought.

[snappyturtle]

102. I'm sure too that the market is there or Kraft would not have

introduced the hormone free product. However, I think the scheme was to produce more with as few resources, in this case cows,as possible. Same as for the genetically modified seeds and advanced fertilizers. We've paid for that, r&d, too through food pricing.

When food becomes truly local as back in the good ol' days, we will have more knowledge of what we're eating and at the same time save the planet from unnecessary transportation pollution.

I'm happy to see a big company like Kraft stick it to Monsanto thus publically acknowledging dangerous Monsanto practices through its product line.

[NashVegas]

110. How Do You Control a Movement? Get Out In FRONT of It

That's what I believe Obama and many other corporate-friendly liberal establishments are trying to do with food activists.

The Obama food blog has proclaimed Michelle to be "The new leader of the American food movement," meanwhile, it's starting to go on the attack against longtime advocates like my sig.

[Canuckistanian]

101. That's great

Now everyone should go out and ask their local grocery store for it.

Let the power of the marketplace educate consumers.

I don't have to do that here in Canada - rBGH has ALWAYS been banned here.

[snappyturtle]

104. Canada is light years ahead of the U.S. in so many ways! nt

[Romulox]

114. Canada introduced Mad Cow to US; forced US consumers to accept tainted imports via NAFTA, WTO...

:hi:

[Canuckistanian]

157. Link? n/t

[Romulox]

211. Canada as source of US Mad Cow...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/madcow/

[Canuckistanian]

230. Interesting, thanks

:hi:

[Enthusiast]

80. How can anyone come to

a different conclusion?

[Political Tiger]

11. "As Jill Richardson writes at LaVidaLocavore at the link above..."

Well, if some blogger says it's true, it must be true!

[scipan]

124. why don't people check stuff? Story is not true!

Obama seems to have already appointed the head(s) of the FSWG:
This Food Safety Working Group will be chaired by the Secretaries of Health and Human Services and the Department of Agriculture
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Weekly-Address-President-Barack-Obama-Announces-Key-FDA-Appointments-and-Tougher-F/

This seems to be an old rumor that was quashed back in March. Firedoglake (note the date):

Food Safety Working Group: Will Obama Close the Revolving Door?
By: Kirk James Murphy, M.D. Saturday March 21, 2009 6:05 pm

In his weekly address last Saturday, President Obama announced two superb appointments to head the FDA. He also confirmed reports that his Administration will create a Food Safety Working Group, and here, the good news is who won't be running the show.

For weeks, food safety activists and organic growers had campaigned against Obama transition team member Michael Taylor's rumored appointment to head the FSWG. Last weekend, Obama announced that HHS-Secrectary nominee Kathleen Sibelius and Ag Secretary Tom Vilsack will lead the FSWG. But, will Obama still select Michael Taylor, Monsanto's revolving-door man at FDA and USDA, to be a member of the FSWG?
http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/21/food-safety-working-group-will-obama-close-the-revolving-door/

So maybe he could be appointed as a member someday, but I see no reason to think so.

[Duval]

150. Oh, Duh! Thanks, scipan.

:dunce: me!!

[scipan]

126. *******...dated MARCH 19, 2009 - people, click on the links!*******

It's an old rumor. He already appointed the heads of the FSWG. See my post above.

I'm glad there are a few here who are still skeptical like PT.

[condoleeza]

132. Glad I kept reading, thanks for posting this, scipan,

I was about to shut the computer down and go shoot myself.

[scipan]

138. Ah, my posting efforts were not in vain! You're welcome, Condolezza. n/t

[glitch]

170. Confirmed by bloggers (god forbid) today 7/7 that he got the job.

http://www.foodpolitics.com/2009/07/michael-taylor-appointed-to-fda-a-good-choice/

Apparently Sebelius confirmed his appointment to this rather reputabla "blogger".

It's good to be skeptical, it's also good to do your research and keep an open mind.

[abumbyanyothername]

13. I am writing (Obama, Boxer) but . . .

Are we too late?

Jill Richardson's piece @ http://www.lavidalocavore.org/diary/1234/ is dated March 19, 2009.

[Zhade]

41. Of course we are -- he already got our votes.

NT!

[truedelphi]

15. More about Mike Taylor.

Ruby Romaine posted this abt Mike Taylor way banck in '04

White House Seeks Control on Health, Safety
The Office of Management and Budget wants to have the final say on releasing emergency declarations to the public.
(snip)

Michael Taylor, former deputy commissioner at the FDA under the first Bush administration, warned that the OMB's involvement in the dissemination of information on "imminent health hazards" is dangerous.
Taylor cited the severe November hepatitis outbreak from contaminated green onions at a Mexican fast food restaurant near Pittsburgh.
"OMB's proposal says it gets to weigh in on any agency statement that would have a significant impact on an industry. Any FDA warning or recall would have that nationwide impact. So should the FDA commissioner have to go to John Graham for permission to warn people about the possible danger from tainted green onions?" Taylor asked.
"That's what the plan calls for, and it's not just FDA, it's all agencies involved with health and safety."

Whole article on this action back in 2004 is here
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0112-08.htm

Another very good artilce on Mike Taylor and his buddy-boy William Clinton is here:
http://tinyurl.com/n4p724

[izquierdista]

16. Kind of related question

Has anyone here seen superpastuerized milk for sale in the U.S.? I have bought it in Europe (it requires no refrigeration until it is opened), but I have not seen it at any American supermarkets. What gives? :shrug:

[tavalon]

63. They called it irradiated milk here and people were scared of it

You can still occasionally find it on the shelf but it's rare.

[Skittles]

19. because he is a corporate tool?

just a guess

[undeterred]

27. you got that right

unfortunately

[scarletwoman]

20. Because the U.S. government is of, by, and for the corporations.Obama is simply serving his masters.

You didn't really think we-the-people are his constituency, did you?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

21. +1!

[kath]

190. +10

[Orwellian_Ghost]

22. K&R

[bertman]

23. A Pattern We Can Believe In, but would rather not.

Very scary.

Recommend.

[glitch]

32. Apparently pattern recognition is a rare skill. nt

[bertman]

36. I can't even figure out what's in those pattern recognition "art" thingies in the malls.

[glitch]

43. Compared to those things politics and qui bono are easy peasy! nt

[snot]

24. Nauseating on every level. K&R'd

[rudy23]

25. Oooh, the team of rivals grows! Great chess, Mr. President!

Seriously, it's time for it to become household knowledge that Obama is appointing nothing but corporate foxes to guard the henhouses.

He is making a mockery of his base's optimism in his campaign, and destroying the narrative of his presidency. It hasn't become common knowledge yet, but the news hasn't trickled down from the blogosphere yet. It will. It always does.

[glitch]

30. Sadly no Progressive rivals, nary a one. With Obama, self-described Centrist, claiming that position

What a team.

[debbierlus]

96. People are disappointed. The health care thing is what is going expose him

He won't stand up against the insurance companies (hell, all his damn 'advisors' are fucking corporate lobbyists). Obama isn't fighting for real change, he is fighting to figure out a way to allow the insurers to keep profiteering off our sickness.

Fair and level playing field...

We have to keep the game fair for the corporate players to suck up our money.

FUCKERS.

[MajorChode]

28. Regurgitating PETA's nonsense does little to strengthen your argument

Unless someone thinks PETA is an objective source of information. Notice how they say, "The journal Nature reported", but they include no reference to the report or exactly what it says. In other words, there's no way of knowing their claim was even accurate, if they simply took the information out of context or cherry picked it, or even what study (if any) it was based on.

[Karmadillo]

46. Here's the citation.

This comes from a letter Consumers Union sent to Governor Sibelius regarding a bill designed to keep producers from labeling their milk free of bovine growth hormone (hippies!). I assume Consumers Union isn't making this up.

http://www.consumersunion.org/pdf/KS-Gov-ltr-BGH-free.pdf

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The milk of treated cows also shows increases in average somatic
cell counts (indicative of mastitis infections in cows and an indication of the
quality of the milk).11

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11 Millstone, E, Brunner, E and I White. 1994. Plagiarism or protecting public health? Nature, 371: 647-
648

[MajorChode]

52. The citation you listed has nothing to do with the OP's claims

Furthermore, it has even less to do with the PETA regurgitated nonsense (which is farther down).

Here's what the OP listed as a claim:
"Taylor is the reason milk from rBGH/rBST cows doesn't have to be labeled."

The Consumer's Union article you quoted regards milk labeling that claims NOT to have rbGH, so it's quite the opposite situation.

[Karmadillo]

55. The citation goes directly to the claim you made about PETA's credibility.

You wrote:

Regurgitating PETA's nonsense does little to strengthen your argument <u>nless someone thinks PETA is an objective source of information. Notice how they say, "The journal Nature reported", but they include no reference to the report or exactly what it says. In other words, there's no way of knowing their claim was even accurate, if they simply took the information out of context or cherry picked it, or even what study (if any) it was based on.

In response, I provided a cite to the Nature article I believe PETA was relying on. If you read the post, you'll see Consumers Union was using the Nature cite to show there was an increased amount of pus ("increases in average somatic cell count"). That's the claim PETA is making and saying Nature is the source. Based on the Consumers Union letter, it would appear, as PETA claimed, Nature is the source of the information. This suggests the PETA claim is not "regurgitated nonsense." Right?

I wasn't posting the letter regarding Taylor and the labeling issue. Sorry if you were confused.

[conscious evolution]

123. He's not confused

You are trying to awaken a person who is only pretending to be asleep.

[MajorChode]

197. Ah yes, wakeup and smell the bullshit, no?

If it's all the same to you I'll sleep in.

Enjoy.

[MajorChode]

158. No, it doesn't

Here is PETA's bullshit claim:

The journal Nature reported that Posilac increases somatic cells—pus—in the milk by a whopping 19 percent!

First of all, Nature makes no such claim. The link you provided makes no mention of any 19 percent, or if Prosilac is responsible for the increase in somatic cells. What the link you provides says is:

The milk of treated cows also shows increases in average somatic
cell counts (indicative of mastitis infections in cows and an indication of the
quality of the milk).11

This is NOT the same claim. Farmers typically give Posilac to cows that are producing poorly, and they could be producing poorly because they have some type of infection. It could also be that farmers who are more apt to use Prosilac also employ other practices that reduce the quality of their milk. This is NOT a scientific study. It's simply an observation. Without a control group, there's simply no way to connect cause and effect. So the Nature article points out the effect, but doesn't assume the cause. PETA takes the next leap of bullshit and assumes the cause, and even claims Nature also assumed as much.

Furthermore the citation you provided does absolutely nothing to verify PETA's other bullshit claim:

Any milk with a somatic cell count of higher than 200 million per liter should not enter the human food supply, according to the dairy industry.

[Karmadillo]

193. When you say Nature makes no such claim, have you seen (and read) the article?

It seems pretty clear to me that the site provided by Consumers Union is where PETA got their claim. I can't access the article, so I can't argue further. Since you've argued PETA is disseminating "unverified bullshit" and argue Nature meant something different from PETA's interpretation, I assume you've seen the article? I'd appreciate a link. Thanks.

[MajorChode]

196. So PETA is free to make whatever bullshit claims they want and you expect me to disprove them?

I'm not going to play those games. PETA's MO is to make bullshit claims. Nothing new here. Post a link that actually verifies PETA's assertions, and then we'll talk. Fair enough?

I've already showed you just based on what you've posted of the article it's bullshit. Nature is a scientific journal and they well understand the principle of cause and effect. If Nature made any such judgments it would be based on sound scientific studies and not simply observations which could mean anything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cum_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc

If such a study existed, PETA would be touting it until the cows came home (pun intended).

[Karmadillo]

199. Wouldn't that be how you would establish it's bullshit? PETA made a claim,

the footnote from Consumers Union suggests it's a supported claim (there is an increase in pus), so it would appear it's not bullshit. If you want to claim it is, you would need to show the claim is inaccurate. You're correct in that we don't know if the claim of 19% is correct (because we can't access the article on the internet), but since it appears PETA used the Nature article in a fair way, I don't see how one could agree with you that their claim is bullshit since you're unable to cite anything from the article to back up your assertion.

[MajorChode]

204. cum hoc ergo propter hoc

PETA claims there definitively IS an association. I've never seen or heard of any hard evidence that provides evidence of the causation they are claiming. You keep conveniently forgetting that this isn't MY assertion. It's PETA's. I'm simply calling bullshit in the face of no verifiable proof. You keep trying to put the onus back on me to prove they are wrong when they never came close to proving their own assertions to begin with. I've already told you I don't play those games. And don't even try to pretend that PETA is an ethical organization that only strives for the truth. Their bullshit campaigns are legendary.

PETA is famous for cum hoc ergo propter hoc bullshit. They often reference pseudoscientific nonsense and even sometimes go to the extend of forming their own so-called "research" organizations which are thinly veiled as independent organizations, but are almost wholly financed and controlled by PETA. Ever hear of something called PCRM?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicians_Committee_for_Responsible_Medicine#Relationship_with_PETA

Suggesting there might be a correlation due to an observation and definitively saying there IS an association are two very different things. If you don't understand that concept, I'm not sure that we have much more to discuss.

Have a nice day.

[Karmadillo]

208. And the Nature article cited by Consumers Union appears to support their claim. Simply repeating

bullshit doesn't change the fact. If you have access to the Nature article, feel free to point out how PETA misused it. Otherwise, it appears, from all the evidence so far presented, they did not misuse it.

Ever hear of the Center for Consumer Freedom?

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Consumer_Freedom

The Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF) (formerly called the "Guest Choice Network") is a front group for the restaurant, alcohol and tobacco industries. It runs media campaigns which oppose the efforts of scientists, doctors, health advocates, environmentalists and groups like Mothers Against Drunk Driving, calling them "the Nanny Culture -- the growing fraternity of food cops, health care enforcers, anti-meat activists, and meddling bureaucrats who 'know what's best for you.' "

Over 40 percent of the group's 2005 expenditure was paid to Rick Berman's PR company, Berman & Co. for "management services. <1> As part of its operations CCF runs a series of attack websites, including "consumerfreedom.com, activistcash.com, cspiscam.com, animal-scam.com, fishscam.com, obesitymyths.com, physiciansscam.com PetaKillsAnimals.com. <2>

<edit>

Part of CCF's method is to direct attention away from the substantive issues and to keep the focus on the messenger rather than the message.

end

Sounds a little bit like your tactics.

Have a nice day, yourself.

[Ignis]

226. Are you asserting that PETA formed PCRM? (nt)

[Freddie Stubbs]

31. Perhaps the President hasn't fallen for PETA's propaganda

[Karmadillo]

37. Interesting video on how Monsanto killed an investigative report on BHG.

It's a ten minutes clip, but well worth watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL1pKlnhvg0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvodpod%2Ecom%2Fwatch%2F1531814%2Dfox%2Dreporters%2Dfired%2Dfor%2Dtruth%2Dmonsantos%2Dpus%2Dmilk&feature=player_embedded

Summary from You Tube:

FOX NEWS Reporters (Reporters Steve Wilson & Jane Akre) uncover that most of the Milk in the USA and across some parts of the world is unfit to drink due to Monsanto Corporation's POSILAC®, which has been proven to be a cancer-causing growth hormone.(known in short as "BGH" "BST" or "rBGH" ), but they were fired for trying to tell people the truth.

(Important note: After a long court battle, the Court dismissed the whistle blowers protection for the reporters because the Court stated that there was no law to force that the NEWS state the truth! Fact! Going on to say the NEWS was no different than other TV shows/reality shows!!)

But the FDA has turned a blind eye once again!

If you consumed or fed regular milk to your family today (8/21/08), there is more than a 90% chance that it was from a cow injected with BGH

[MajorChode]

54. As long as you like watching bullshit

The first clue is, POSILAC®, has NOT been "proven to be a cancer-causing growth hormone."

If you consumed or fed regular milk to your family today (8/21/08), there is more than a 90% chance that it was from a cow injected with BGH

That's kind of a curious claim when only about 1/3rd of US milk comes from BGH injected cows.

[Karmadillo]

57. Did you watch the video? What specific parts of it are bullshit?

I'm looking forward to your analysis.

Regarding the You Tube poster's claim about rGBH and cancer, I have no great expertise, but this is interesting and seems to support a link:

http://www.mindfully.org/GE/GE3/rBGH-Got-Pus.htm

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Dr. Samuel Epstein, professor of occupational and environmental medicine at the University of Illinois School of Public Health and chair of Cancer Prevention Coalition, Inc., reports that IGF-1, which causes cells to divide, induces malignant transformation of normal breast epithelial cells, and is a growth factor for human breast cancer and colon cancer. Yet rBGH was never adequately tested before the Food and Drug Administration allowed it on the market. A standard test of new biochemically produced products and animal drugs requires twenty four months of testing with several hundred rats. But rBGH was tested for only 90 days on 30 rats. This short term rat study was submitted to the FDA but never published. The FDA had refused to allow anyone outside that agency to review the raw data from this truncated study, saying it would “irreparably harm” Monsanto.

In 1998, Canadian scientists managed to obtain the full studies for the first time. They were shocked to learn that the FDA never even looked at Monsanto's original data on which the agency's approval had been based. In reviewing the data, the Canadian scientists discovered that Monsanto's secret studies showed that rBGH was linked to prostate and thyroid cancer in laboratory rats. Monsanto had actually cut the study short and omitted any mention of the cancers in their report to the FDA -- or so the agency now says! And so, a few companies which had invested hundreds of millions of dollars developing a product having absolutely no consumer benefit and which poses a severe health risk, was able to foist its dangerous product on an unprotected populace with the help of the government.

more

Regarding the 90% chance claim, this would seem to suggest that it, too, is correct:

http://www.foxbghsuit.com/bgh4.htm

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Which milk at the market comes from cows injected with artificial hormones?

Probably all of it. Milk is co-mingled in those big stainless steel tanker trucks that go from farm to farm to collect it. Then, the milk from several tankers is mixed at the milk processing plant. If any single dairy injects its cows with the artificial hormone, that milk ends up being mixed with milk from cows not injected with rBGH. The actual percentage of milk from rBGH-treated cows depends on how many dairies in your area use it. In Florida, where seven out of seven dairies were found to be injecting the drug, the percentage is high.

[MajorChode]

152. I've already explained what was bullshit

Look carefully at your link. It says, Dr. Samuel Epstein "reports", but notice how it conveniently leaves out any references to that "report"? That's because he's simply saying increased IGF-1 is a factor in certain types of cancers. He's not saying IGF-1 causes cancer, and furthermore he says nothing about rbGH. So the author of your link is playing a little game. He's implying that, IGF-1 causes cancer (which isn't even what Epstein claims), rbGH injected cow's milk contains IGF-1, therefore, rbGH injected cow's milk MUST cause cancer. What they conveniently left out is that milk from cows that have NEVER been injected with rbGH also contains IGF-1, and the differences between the two are not significant at all. No such study has ever linked rbGH injected cow's milk with increased risk of cancer regardless of what secret scientists they want to try and pull out of their ass (also unsourced and vaguely referenced). Sorry, got to call bullshit on that one. Two bullshits do not cancel each other out.

Next, even your own link (which is also mostly unreferenced and comes from an obviously highly biased source) confirms the claim is bullshit. I'll include the parts you left out:

"Of the nearly 9 million dairy cows in the United States, approximately 25 percent of the cows are in herds that are supplemented with POSILAC."

So first of all, just because one cow in a herd gets injected with rbGH, doesn't mean the entire herd gets injected (and this never happens), but even if you were to believe as much, that's still only 25%.

Here's another jewel:

In Florida, where seven out of seven dairies were found to be injecting the drug, the percentage is high.

The so-called "study" was done by reporters, supposedly at random. There's no way to verify any of their findings or how they came to those conclusions. So it's simply more unsourced and unverified information, which is definitely not scientific and probably impossible to verify.

What you have to remember is all the sources previously used and now the ones you are producing are made by people who have an agenda. Rarely are such sources objective, reliable, or even factual, and they damn sure aren't going to tell you anything that doesn't support their position so you never hear the whole truth.

[Karmadillo]

192. What part of the video is bullshit? None of your comments refer to the video.

Thanks.

[MajorChode]

198. My comments directly addressed the summary YOU posted

And I also directly addressed what you posted afterward.

Can you not manage to at least keep up with your own comments?

[Karmadillo]

200. I'm talking about the video you said was bullshit. Not the poster's statements.

What part of the video is bullshit?

[MajorChode]

203. Are you trying to say the summary you posted wasn't accurate?

If it is, then I've already answered your question.

If it isn't, then why did you post it in the first place?

Is that so hard to understand?

[Karmadillo]

206. Are you admitting the video isn't bullshit? If so, why did you make the claim in the first place?

Surely you understand that if you haven't watched a video, you shouldn't claim it is bullshit.

[MajorChode]

209. Are you admitting your summary was bullshit?

I've already played your game of absurdity a few more rounds than I should have.

You keep on though.

[Karmadillo]

212. Feel free to weigh in on the video once you've watched it.

nt

[Mari333]

33. sigh. even my 28 yr old son, who was gung ho for Obama

told me today hes now apathetic . doesnt even want to vote, and he worked hard on the Obama campaign. I didnt realize he was so disgusted. says a lot about whats going on out there.

[glitch]

35. That's the heartbreak. All that energy, all that potential, squandered on appeasement.

Bad karma.

[G_j]

49. right

that historic and almost miraculous enthusiasm is being squandered and lost.
In the end, cynicism may own the day, and it may be next to impossible to get people excited again.
I'm pissed.

[blindpig]

111. Look at the bright side

Cynicism will turn to anger, and when people are hurting and frustrated and pissed off they tend to get off of their asses and do something.

Maybe after it is clear that we can expect nothing from people approved by the financial elite that we will look to ourselves and among ourselves for the leadership to take control of our society.

[Blue_Tires]

213. i certainly hope so.... n/t

[truedelphi]

161. Boy I know the feeling. And the WH comments line is busted -

Never under any other Administration did I get a busy signal.

Happens every time I call.

Finally got through about a week ago, and the young woman who took my comment laughed at me. Which really cheesed me off - how in the world would that young thing know much about health insurance?

If Obama wants to be so damn bi-partisian, he could re-employ the older women that Bush had, who had a total sweetness in their voice when someone called. I actually would feel sorry for them having to hear my rage about the war.

[Seen the light]

207. I was 22 last year when campaigning for Obama

First presidential candidate I'd campaigned for. I can promise you in 2012 that, if things remain the same, I certainly won't be campaigning for him and giving him one cent. That doesn't necessarily mean that I won't for him, but I sure am not going to be enthusiastic about doing it. The Obama team is going to have to work MUCH harder to get campaign volunteers for the next election.

[dysfunctional press]

34. corporatist is as corporatist does.

[maryf]

38. Reduce Pus, reduce profit...

Can't have that! K&R

[omega minimo]

227. Has there actually been a credible pus/benefit analysis?

[Zhade]

39. Because Obama lied when he promised change.

NT!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

40. I don't know.

Probably because he's emminently qualified for the job and milk from dairies which use hormones is completely indistinguishable from other milk and these objections to it is loony pseudoscientific bullshit on par with the anti-vaccers.

But again, I don't know.

[Karmadillo]

50. Isn't rBGH banned in Europe and Canada?

nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

116. Yes.

In Europe, it was declared safe, then banned anyway, as Europeans are wont to do.

In Canada, it was never approved over concerns about animal welfare, not human consumption, which they found was not an issue.

[kenny blankenship]

42. Ah c'mon, kids LOVE pus!

Let them know there's pus in the milk they're drinking and I bet they'll never stop talking about it.

Pour a healthy sized glass of pus for healthy bones at every meal!

[abumbyanyothername]

45. Pus or no pus . . .

In my opinion, just my opinion, drinking bovine milk is not healthy for human beings in the first place.

For a year and a half (almost) I have been on a diet consisting solely of fresh fruit, vegetables and nuts. Water is the only beverage I drink.

I feel better than I ever have. My digestion is definitely way better than ever.

The first thing that everyone asks me is "how do you get your protein?" Indicating the degree to which our minds have been taken over by the animal produce industries.

Fruit is tastier, more nutritious, more abundant, less work than any other food. Cattle feces and gasses produce more greenhouse gasses than all (other) human activity combined.

Eat only fresh vegetation and know your farmer by first name.

If you want the best for yourself. Otherwise, just keep killing yourself with whatever fattens the corporate bottom line.

[Orrex]

72. " Eat only fresh vegetation and know your farmer by first name."

How feasible is that, really, for 300 million Americans, many of whom live in cities that are notorious for their lack of local farmland?

[glitch]

87. There is a new promising trend of urban gardens and farmers markets.

Few cities have them so far, but those that do like them. Taking empty spaces and turning them into community gardens is an older idea, but now they are taking the next step and creating markets.

http://www.google.com/search?q=community+gardens+urban+farmers+markets&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

[abumbyanyothername]

88. I live in Los Angeles.

There are Farmers' Markets in nearly every city these days (dozens each week in LA). It is probably easier to find a Farmers' Market in NYC, Philly, Boston or Washington than in North Platte,NE or Pierre,SD.

[Orrex]

94. In winter, too?

Not a lot of fresh local produce available in Philly in February, I suspect. There sure as hell isn't in Pittsburgh at that time.

[abumbyanyothername]

103. I am actually reading a book now

Titled "Four Season Harvest."

The Author is a Maine Organic Farmer named Eliot Coleman. It is possible to grow your own lettuces in the northern United States for winter consumption with minimal technology and no outside energy, as Coleman's Maine farm demonstrates. For fruits you may have to make some compromises in Northern climates . . . either importing winter citrus from CA or FL, or using canned varieties like applesauce. Some people dehydrate fruit in the summer for winter use.

How did people live in the Pittsburgh area before the advent of electricity and refrigeration? I don't know the answer to that question, but if I lived in Pittsburgh, I would investigate it. Electricity is only slightly older than a single human lifespan and refrigeration younger than that. There is no guarantee that they will always be here.

[Javaman]

91. So where do you get your omega-3 and your vitamin D from?

or your protein?

[Orrex]

95. See? You've been brainwashed, too.

[abumbyanyothername]

97. I don't worry about Omega 3

In general, I do not eat oils outside their natural state in nuts or avocados.

My vitamin D comes from sunshine.

In general, the American population thinks too much about adding things to their diet to "be healthy."

The human body, if left alone (meaning fasting for the almost universally overfed American population), will right itself. You don't need to take a pill, or eat a special food or supplement to "heal." Your body heals itself naturally. What you need to focus on is to avoid ingesting toxins.

To think that the body needs certain substances outside the natural foods in which they occur is to fall victim to a marketing scheme that has taken over practically the whole study of nutritional science in this country. Our bodies and digestive systems have not evolved in the 10,000 or so years that agriculture has been practiced. We are still designed to eat the fruits and greens we gathered as gatherers.

[Javaman]

98. um okay, where did you get this information from? nt

[abumbyanyothername]

105. link

www.rawfoodexplained.com

[Javaman]

106. ahhhh. okay.

have a nice day.

I'm not even going to try and dissuade you.

I have had several friends go this route and every single one of them now eat meat again.

see you in a few years when your protein count is down to nothing and your brain functions are diminished via the lack of omega-3.

you are not blocked due to your willful ignorance of nutrition.

Bu-bye.

[abumbyanyothername]

136. I am open to new information from whatever source

And you certainly seem committed to food purity.

I am simply choosing what seems to work for me now. You may be right, I may change my mind later. For now, after 18 months, I notice only positive effects. But I stay alert to changes.

[TrogL]

147. fish

[depakid]

47. More going along to get along

it's the administrations modus operandi.

[ColbertWatcher]

48. Because he's not an Arabian Horse Show Judge? n/t

[latebloomer]

51. I betcha the Obamas drink organic milk

But pus for us.

[MajorChode]

56. Are you trying to claim you don't have the option of buying organic milk?

Which still contains "pus", BTW.

Enjoy.

[Javaman]

92. Please provide proof that organic milk contains pus.

do you even know how the pus gets into milk in the first place?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

139. Where does the pus comes from?

From the cow's teat.

All milk contains some amount of pus, blood, shit, bacteria, dust, bugs, and God knows what else.

That's the natural consequence of getting milk out of a cow.

And that's why nuts who give their kids unpasteurized milk end up killing them with E. coli.

[MajorChode]

144. Exactly

And it doesn't matter if the milk is so-called organic, or whatever else. If it comes from a cow, it has all those things.

Unless it's soy "milk", but as Lewis Black says, there's no such thing as a soy teat.

[pipi_k]

178. Straight from a dairy worker...

My younger brother worked on a dairy farm back in the 80s. He said the same thing...he saw milk that had pus, blood, and all sorts of other nasty stuff in it

[MajorChode]

142. I know exactly how it gets there

I worked in a dairy for several years.

How about you? Do you have any idea?

As far as proof goes, it's not my assertion that organic milk doesn't contain any, and I feel no need to prove or disprove that wild assertion.

[latebloomer]

127. Yes, I DO have the option

because I can afford it. But many Americans can't, because it costs more than twice as much as regular milk.

And, since it doesn't contain BGH, I have a reduced chance of it containing pus.

[MajorChode]

143. You can easily get milk that doesn't contain rbGH and it's the same price

Wal-Mart, Kroger, and may other retailers don't buy milk from rbGH injected cows. So you have many choices other than just organic.

[latebloomer]

180. Would rather buy organic, despite the price

and I don't go to Walmart.

[MajorChode]

205. Then that's your choice

But your choice is by no means mandatory or prudent, even if you want to make yourself believe you're getting a safer product.

What you are doing is playing exactly into PETA's bullshit campaign. They WANT milk to be more expensive, because they want milk to go away completely. Their ultimate goal is to eliminate all animal based food production. The reality is all they have managed to do is make products like milk more expensive and thus less accessible to poorer people.

Any food product that is mass produced is going to have some level of vile things which might even include rat turds and cockroaches. It's not that difficult to fool weak minded people into believing those things are unsafe as a result of a campaign based purely on emotion and no hard proof.

[latebloomer]

229. Huh?

Maybe I missed something, but what does PETA have to do with it?

[johnaries]

58. Rumor monger much?

Aside from this obscure post in an obscure discussion forum, I don't see any evidence that Obama is actually consider him for a FDA post.

Talk about grasping for straws!

Can you show me ANYWHERE ELSE where Obama is actually considering him for the post? I can see where he USED to be involved in the FDA. But NOTHING where he is being considered currently.

[Karmadillo]

61. The story comes from Agri-Pulse.

http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/642/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=27042

<edit>

Agri-Pulse reported that former Monsanto lobbyist Michael Taylor, who has been serving on President Obama's Department of Agriculture Transition Team, was "the leading candidate to staff the White House working group." Michael Taylor, who now promotes himself as a food safety expert, is a lawyer whose accomplishments include shepherding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone (rBGH) through Clinton's FDA as the Deputy Administrator for Policy. Alexis Baden-Mayer, OCA's Political Director, attended the Food Safety Working Group's Listening Session in Washington, DC, on May 13th, 2009. Here's her report:

If Michael Taylor was in the room, I didn't see him, but it's too soon to declare victory. We should keep reminding Secretary Vilsack, who chairs the working group, that we don't want Michael Taylor or any other former corporate lobbyists to be involved in crafting the government response to food safety.

I had an interesting conversation with Bryce Quick, Deputy Administrator for the US Department of Agriculture's Food Safety Inspection Service since 2005, who greeted me by saying, "Organic, oh, we're going to have problems with you!" He claimed to have visited an organic farm in Latin America several years ago that had major food safety issues (although he wasn't sure if it was actually certified).

more...

http://www.agri-pulse.com/AboutUs.asp

Agri-Pulse Communications: 630-443-3257

President: Agri-Pulse Communications

Sara Wyant is President of Agri-Pulse Communications, Inc., a diversified communications firm with offices in Washington, D.C., Little Rock, Arkansas, and St. Charles, Illinois. As a veteran farm policy reporter, she is well recognized on Capitol Hill as well as with farm and commodity associations across the country.

Her newsletter and web site, Agri-Pulse, includes the latest updates on farm policy, commodity and conservation programs, trade, food safety, rural development, and environmental and regulatory programs. She served as 2007/2008 Chairman of the Farm Foundation’s Board of Trustees, is a member of the Steering Committee for the 25 x '25 Renewable Energy Group, and serves on the Advisory Board of the Agricultural Marketing Resource Center at Iowa State. Wyant is a past president of the American Agricultural Editors’ Association. In 2000, she received an Oscar in Agriculture for excellence in agricultural reporting and in 1996, received the United Soybean Board's producer communications award. She is an honorary member of Women Involved in Farm Economics (WIFE).

Sara gained first-hand knowledge of crop and livestock production while growing up on a farm near Marengo, Iowa, and is still involved with her family’s farming operation. She and her husband also own the farm where his grandparents’ originally homesteaded near Almont, North Dakota, and where his brothers still farm, raise cattle and produce honey.

Sara and her husband, Allan Johnson, have two sons: Jason and Jordan.

[loudsue]

59. ANY DUer who is surprised at Obama's governing DID NOT read his books.

All through the primaries, some of us kept screaming & waving our hands ( :hi: ) to get people to READ HIS BOOKS. The man is a conservative with a few ideas that are considered progressive ( not liberal ) . Obama is TO THE RIGHT of Nixon, and just about as conservative as the Clintons, who are also financed by the DLC/NDN . Obama said in early speeches that JOE LIEBERMAN was his "mentor".

:argh: So don't act so surprised!

Until we get HAND COUNTED PAPER BALLOTS in this country, we will NEVER be able to change Washington. And until we get rid of the corporate media having a monopoly on every news agency in this country, we'll never win people over to reason.

[kenny blankenship]

60. He always said he would put pus in our milk, nobody has the right to act surprised.

Stop with the poutrage already!

[incapsulated]

113. lol n/t

[omega minimo]

164. He meant to say "Drainage we can drink in............"

[SammyWinstonJack]

84. +1

:thumbsup:

[NashVegas]

100. Oh, You Must Be a Puma!

Meanwhile, the official food blog of the administration has decreed that Michelle Obama is the new leader of America's food movement and decries food "whactavists".

This same blog also fires shots at Mother Jones and Huffpo over a story about toxins in the new White House garden. Even though there may be something worth crediting on that one, it's interesting to not the blog seems to fire more shots at the real leaders of food activism than it does factory farms.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

117. Still harping on the "Joe Lieberman" is Obama's mentor business?

Wow. Fail of Rezko proportions.

[zalinda]

118. I screamed too

but, alas, "hope and change" won the day.............or was it all that money that magically appeared in Obama's coffers when he first started his run? How did he get all that money in his first few months, hmmmmmm?

zalinda

[Norrin Radd]

62. He lost me at "Monsanto."

[grillo7]

66. Precisely...that anyone from there is being placed in a position of public power is shameful

This needs to be stopped in the same way that we all essentially stopped Brennan from being appointed as the director of the CIA.

[lamp_shade]

64. Lovely thread. One fresh poop and the flies come out of nowhere.

[Vidar]

65. Christ, is there no corporate criminal that Obama won't welcome?

[tomp]

67. because he's a corporatist? nt

[Name removed]

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[texastoast]

177. A colorless, odorless, non-toxic gas

That gathers at the top of our atmosphere. The sun's rays pass through this layer and strike the Earth then bounce back. Carbon dioxide doesn't absorb the energy from the sun, but it does absorb some of the heat energy released from the earth. It holds and emits infrareds.

This I heard from a climate change expert consulting with then Houston Lighting & Power in the 1980s--the fucked up Raygun years--and apparently it still holds. HL&P knew about the troubles with coal back then.

[ima_sinnic]

69. remember that lie about "no lobbyists" would work in his administration?

funny the way that has been excused and is simply overlooked now.
what else was he just kidding about?
and they wonder why people get apathetic--which has the unfortunate effect of perpetuating the corporate entrenchment and plunder of our taxes, resources, and public treasure as people simply give up.

[glitch]

74. The apathy used to be encouraged by the Republicans.

Could be catching on, becoming another of those bi-partisan endeavors.

Grassroots need not apply.

[BonnieJW]

75. What if the milk you drink does not contain the hormone?

We buy Organic Valley which does not contain the hormone.

[glitch]

81. Then the cows' aren't mechanically milked for hours daily, their teats don't get raw and infected

and there is no pus.

An additional benefit: there are no antibiotics in the milk from continuously treating the raw infected teats.

[Hawkowl]

77. One term president

It is absolutely breathtaking the way Mr. Obama is hurtling towards his own demise.

[Enthusiast]

85. The country is hurtling

toward its own demise.

[SammyWinstonJack]

86. Maybe he only wanted one term? Sure looks that way.

:shrug:

[Celeborn Skywalker]

220. ...

...

[mdmc]

89. $$$$$$$$$$$$$

sHOW ME THE MONEY!

[omega minimo]

90. To make pus cream?

:shrug:

[debbierlus]

93. Because Obama is a CORPORATIST

He is wolf in sheep's clothing.

It is a sad time on DU when policies and appointments that would have created outrage now are accepted because they 'LOVE MY PRESIDENT'....

Only problem is that he isn't their President or mine. Not in terms of representing the people's best interests.

[marketcrazy1]

107. I am sorry I read this thread

but not because i am shocked by Obamas possible choice ( just more of the same ) but because i LOVE milk!! I drink at least two gallons a week!! maybe these hormones make it addictive! LOL!! looks like i am going to have to consider buying organic milk from now on..............

[Romulox]

109. Well-worn excuse # 5: "It takes a thief..."

Well-worn excuse # 4: He's playing 3D Vulcan chess.
Well-worn excuse # 3: Team of Rivals
Well-worn excuse # 2: It's only been X days!
Well-worn excuse # 1: You weren't paying attention in the primaries!!!1!!!!!1!

[incapsulated]

112. #5....

...but it's BI-PARTISAN PUS!!

[polichick]

115. Organic for the First Family - Monsanto (again) for the rest of us. MORE BULLSHIT. nt

[rcrush]

119. Good thing I dont drink milk.

Every time i drink milk I get sick for a week. Probably all that pus they put in it.

[Javaman]

125. Could also be lactose intolerant.

that's what happens to me.

And I love milk. :( But then again, we get ours raw from a local farm.

[Whoa_Nelly]

120. Mike says he's sorry about the pus milk

and has promised to not spit in the burgers anymore before serving them :eyes:

[Echo In Light]

129. "Look ahead!" Inc

[Noorvik]

122. Milk / Pus

Sure glad we switched to Soy Milk instead, with all those yummy pesticides, billions of insect parts,
( extra protein ), and who knows what chemicals used in the fertilizer.

Buy Organic? Sure, at a 50% higher price, after we drive 30 miles to the nearest natural foods store.

I guess it's a matter of rationing, and choosing, the toxic crap we ingest, or, breathe.

Pass the tofu smoothie!

[Ignis]

130. K&R. Thanks for the info, Karmadillo.

:patriot:

[Buzz Clik]

131. That's got to be the all-time greatest hysterical headline: pus in our milk.

:rofl:

[Reform]

133. The presidency is nothing more than

A PR figure head for its enablers.

[Echo In Light]

134. This seems to be the most despised of all "conspiracy theories" by good, normal Americans

[johnaries]

135. This is a RUMOR, Folks! A RUMOR!

here is the source article they cite, at the Ethicurean:
http://www.ethicurean.com/2009/06/30/mike-taylor/

Rumor has it that Mike Taylor, currently a professor at George Washington University but better known for his work as Monsanto’s Vice President for Public Policy, will start on Monday at the FDA in a position coordinating food safety.

Congress is considering a major food safety bill — more info here — and the scuttlebutt is that Taylor might coordinate the implementation of that bill once it’s passed. It’s not clear whether Taylor will be employed by the agency or will work on contract.

Why is everyone flying off the handle for a rumor?

[abumbyanyothername]

140. Monsanto is that evil. nt

[izzybeans]

154. And the group has already been formed.

[Joe Chi Minh]

163. Why don't I check out if something's wild rumour, before getting in a state.

If this is a false rumour, it is scandalous that anyone should have the gall to peddle it on here. Unless duped like me.

[glitch]

174. Confirmed today by Kathleen Sebelius, unless this pro-Taylor blogger is wrong

http://www.foodpolitics.com/2009/07/michael-taylor-appointed-to-fda-a-good-choice/

[BlueJac]

141. Obama is becoming a joke for change!!

[greeneyedboy]

145. **** C H E C K * T H E * F A C T S ***** this rumor is not true! ********

I was just about to forward it around but on further investigation discovered the rumor originated in March and this appointment has not happened. So WTF?

I have enough REAL complaints about the Obama administration without worrying about false might-have-been problems.

[glitch]

169. Reported (from blogs, shudder) that Sebelius confirmed today that he got the job.

http://civileats.com/2009/07/07/food-safety-working-group-definitely-in-the-21st-century/

http://www.foodpolitics.com/2009/07/michael-taylor-appointed-to-fda-a-good-choice/
FWIW this person thinks he's a good choice.

[earth mom]

151. Disgusting!

:puke:

[izzybeans]

153. People really need to learn to check their facts.

Funny knee-jerk thread though.

Answer this question: Who currently chairs the Food Safety Working Group? Hint: there are co-chairs.

Implication: This story is complete and (never mind the pun) "udder" bull-shit.

[glitch]

173. Yes, you do.

http://www.foodpolitics.com/2009/07/michael-taylor-appointed-to-fda-a-good-choice/

[izzybeans]

181. self delete

I see some new news on the subject.

We are talking about this guy right?
http://www.gwumc.edu/sphhs/faculty/taylor_michael.cfm

[tranche]

155. Obama!!!! You WILL NOT shove your PUS down my throat!!!

I don't care if this is an unsubstantiated rumor or not. I've fucking had it. You can keep your change because I've got some in my wallet I can sell somebody. Tomorrow.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

159. LOL

[insanity]

156. And this is why citing bloggers as a source fails

It is not true. Also, as I've said many times: we will always have two choices in Presidential elections, and we still got the far better of the two. We will never get all we want and pretending that we will is delusional.

[Joe Chi Minh]

162. I can't utter. I'm speechless. That is so scandlous it's off the scale.

I'm trying to think of something Bush did to compare with it.

[readmoreoften]

165. Sorry too pissed off about Monsanto Vilsack, Mountaintop Removal, Bombing Pakistan,

opening an office of "faith-based initiatives", total cowardice and capitulation on LGBT campaign promises, and his expansion of Bagram while letting torturers off the hook to fact-check as to whether or not this particular vileness is true.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

166. You don't have to "fact check" you can just follow then links and see they are 4 months old from a

blog post.

[glitch]

172. And then do some more research

http://www.foodpolitics.com/2009/07/michael-taylor-appointed-to-fda-a-good-choice/

[SemiCharmedQuark]

183. Is that the same position as "Head of the Food Saftey Working Group"?

Not being snarky, I honestly don't know.

[Karmadillo]

194. From glitch's link: He will be in charge of implementing whatever food safety laws Congress finally

decides to pass. Not sure the title much matters if this is true.

http://www.foodpolitics.com/2009/07/michael-taylor-appointed-to-fda-a-good-choice/

<edit>

On Monday this week, Michael Taylor began his new job as special assistant to the FDA Commissioner for food safety. He will be in charge of implementing whatever food safety laws Congress finally decides to pass.

more...

[Karmadillo]

195. Thanks for the link, glitch. A very depressing development.

nt

[glitch]

201. You're welcome. And yeah, it is. Sigh. nt

[berni_mccoy]

167. He doesn't. This story is bullshit.

[defendandprotect]

176. War by Monsanto/Food by Monsanto!! Disgusting move by Obama . . !!!

[JVS]

182. What would the People's Republic of China do?

[kenny blankenship]

184. Well since pus is lighter than milk

they'd probably need to restore the specific gravity of the milk by addition of trace amounts of lead.

[JVS]

185. That's what the chinese businessmen would do, but the rules are that when someone gets caught...

they get shot.

[democrank]

186. More "change"

for someone else to believe in.

[Grinchie]

187. In Fucking Credible...

Now we have someone capable of preventing the labeling of GMO appropriately positioned to be able to delay the inevitable for GMO compnaies for another 4 years at least.

Obama, you better wake the fuck up.

[Grinchie]

189. I just wrote my unsubscribe comment to barackobama.com

I was holding off, waiting for the tiniest sign that Obama was going to be able to break out of the lack of change pattern he is in, but this is it.

Obama can go flagellate himself with all the bi-partisanship he desires, but count me out.

He has proven to be nothing more than another Corporate masthead, unable to affect change, despite his charisma or intelligence.

So long buddy, all the best, but don't count on any support. I'll be too busy trying to get real change done my educating people on how utterly stupid your policies have been.

[tranche]

188. If Kucinich wasn't such a loser.

He'd be President now and we'd all be living in a utopia both on this planet and others.

[rudy23]

191. Is knocking Kucinich and Nader the new talking point from Orahma headquarters?

I've never seen so many people bashing Kucinich as on this site lately. Do you know his brother died very recently?

[Echo In Light]

210. Apparently many Obama fans hate Leftists. Go figure

[tranche]

216. They find drama queens and attention whores annoying.

I think that has more to do with it then hating "leftists". Leftists? Leftists that actually do something -- maybe a good hardy South American breed are cool. Whiny internet posters -- not so cool.

[Echo In Light]

218. Decide who you're hating on: DK, or "whiny internet posters."

[tranche]

215. Why would I care?

What the hell does the guy's brother have to do with anything?

Jeez.. Kucinich fan boys are fucking annoying.

[Echo In Light]

219. Than why so quick & keen to interact? Go fuck yourself

:)

[tranche]

221. Ok leftist.

:rofl:

[Echo In Light]

222. Does a Reg poster using an alias to be a loud mouth a-hole make them a coward?

Just wondering why your post count is what it is since you joined in 2004?

[tranche]

223. Listen Echo -- I've seen your posts and believe me. It's nothing to be proud of.

And yes, I have been here WAY longer then you have rook. :)

[Echo In Light]

224. Why not run your ego-fueled, big mouth under your Reg user name?

[leftofthedial]

217. $$$$

trumps all

[Buns_of_Fire]

225. Back to pouring beer on my Wheaties, I guess.

Or maybe they're just "marketing" this all wrong. Maybe we all need MORE pus in our diets. Mmmmmm... Pus... It's what's for dinner... Call it "Sunshine Juice" and people would be clamoring for it to be added to prepackaged food. "Now! 40% more Pus than the FDA recommends!"

(I think I'm gonna go be sick now. 'Scuse me...)

[chaska]

228. What the hell is wrong with Obama?

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you (elected you).