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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 11:26 AM
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OMG have you been reading this stuff on Rudy and foreign policy?
It absolutely terrifies me that we could elect someone who knows nothing about the world, the war, the middle east. I do NOT want another president who leads from his gut.

From: http://www.matthewyglesias.com/archives/2007/02/and_then_theres_rudy/

Mr. King asked if Mr. Giuliani would agree that the Senate would have voted unanimously against the war if it were known that Mr. Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction.

“Yes, I guess,” he said, but he added that such a vote would say nothing about whether the war was right.

Giuliani says he thinks the war was right (obviously, he has a low opinion of Republican Senators)
but that if he'd been president he would have invaded with "maybe 100,000 to 130,000 more" troops than Bush deployed even though no such volume of additional troops was available. "Of course there were mistakes," according to Giuliani, which merely proves what a great man Bush is: "Lincoln made mistakes. Roosevelt made mistakes. Eisenhower made mistakes."

One quirk of American politics is that leading presidential candidates normally go into the campaign with little if any foreign policy experience. Most, however, at least recognize this as a problem and try to study up as part of the campaign effort. Giuliani comes to us as a rare duck -- a candidate whose signature issue is national security but who doesn't know anything about national security, and therefore won't study. Result: Nonsense, combined with temperamental authoritarianism.

And this from: http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/apr/07/rudy_iran_behind_sept_11_attacks

As for Iran, Mr. Giuliani said that “in the long term,” it might be “more dangerous than Iraq.”

He then casually lumped Iran with Al Qaeda. “Their movement has already displayed more aggressive tendencies by coming here and killing us,” he said.

Mr. Giuliani was asked in an interview to clarify that, inasmuch as Iran had no connection to the Sept. 11 attacks. Further, most of its people are Shiites, whereas Al Qaeda is an organization of Sunnis.

“They have a similar objective,” he replied, “in their anger at the modern world.”

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Here you have the Rudy game plan laid bare. The whole subtext of all this is simple: Rudy understands on a gut level better than anyone else just how bad those damn "ragheads" can be, and he knows we need to deal with 'em. This is in a sense the chief argument Rudy is making. But, channeling Matthew Yglesias, it doesn't constitute actual knowledge about national security issues in any way, shape or form.

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Maybe Colbert needs to start doing Rudy.

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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 11:34 AM
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1. Good post! It won't matter to the GOPers, though--they believe
we are at war with Islam, and they don't make distinctions. If they did, they wouldn't have bought the lie that 9/11 and Iraq were connected. And if enough of the general public is as dumb and fearful as I think they are, they will just want "America's Mayor" to protect us from the Ragheads.
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Vexatious Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 11:34 AM
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2. The very idea of a Rudy admin makes me ill.
He might be a little smarter than the half wit we have now but he's still lacking the intellect for high office. And his temperament might even be worse than the "decider's".
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 11:37 AM
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3. "Yes, I guess." Love his level of conviction and understanding of his ideology.
"Under what conditions would you have invaded Iraq, Mr. Giuliani?"

"Well, if I felt like I wanted to, I guess I would have invaded, whether there was reason to or not..." (Sounds like what he's saying to me, whether those are his words or not.)
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 11:49 AM
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4. unbelievable. What has he been doing the last 4 years while we spent $300M PER DAY in Iraq?
I have ready every book I can find on Islam, Iraq, the war. He sounds like he knows NOTHING. He doesn't even get the difference between Shia and Sunni.

Seems to me Bush knew nothing, surrounded himself with people who wanted war in Iraq for various reasons (Cheney for his oil buds, Rumsfeld to prove he was right about a small army, Wolfowitz because he wanted to show the world we could spread democracy at the point of a gun, Lieberman to protect Israel) and exactly BECAUSE Bush KNEW NOTIHNG they were able to get him to do it.

And who might Rudy pick to make the decisions while he is hunting for a 4th wife or be a hero and D-day? If his last hero to head Homeland Security is any indication, this country will not survive 8 years of Rudy....not sure the world will either.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 11:59 AM
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5. I think he would be worse than bush.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:02 PM
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6. What's Rudy's "PLAN?"
I want to hear his "plan" right now!
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 03:59 PM
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7. I don't get it? -- "no such volume"
Isn't Guiliani just following conventional wisdom here with the "Iraq would have been successful if we had more troops" delusion.

If there was no such volume then what are Bremer, Thomas White, McCain, John Kerry --um--- Josh Marshall --um--- Democratic Party web site...talking about?

It's Rummy's fault! Remember the good old days?

It's been so Orwellian here since November...
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