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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 03:02 PM
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Senate Bill Would Allow Prosecution of Bush for Iraq War
Senators Dick Durbin, Russ Feingold, and Patrick Leahy have introduced a bill in the United States Senate (S. 1346) that would allow the prosecution of George W. Bush and his subordinates for the invasion of Iraq. Before concluding that the Spirit of Justice has risen from the flames, a few caveats: First, none of these senators intends the bill for this purpose, and they would all vehemently and honestly deny that they had any such thing in mind. Second, the bill still has to pass both houses and be signed into law. Third, it has to be signed without a signing statement completely altering it. Fourth, the same Department of Justice that won't prosecute torturers would have to prosecute those who attacked Baghdad. Nonetheless, the possibilities are worth considering.

The legislation, S. 1346, is called "A bill to penalize crimes against humanity and for other purposes." Human Rights First has praised it in a press release that makes clear the bill's purpose: to allow the prosecution of foreigners who commit crimes abroad and then come to the United States to live:

"Crimes Against Humanity Bill Would Close Loophole in U.S. Law
"Human Rights First Urges Passage of Legislation Criminalizing These Heinous Acts, Granting Prosecutors Expanded Powers to Prosecute

"Human Rights First is urging Congress to swiftly pass the Crimes Against Humanity Act of 2009, legislation that would close a loophole in U.S. law that currently allows perpetrators of some heinous international crimes to avoid accountability in U.S. courts. The organization welcomed the bill, introduced today by Senator Richard Durbin, noting that it would expand existing prosecutorial powers beyond genocide, strengthening America’s ability to bring to justice those who commit horrific and pervasive crimes against humanity. . . .

"The Crimes Against Humanity Act of 2009 covers some of the most atrocious crimes committed in recent history, such as the campaigns of mutilations and murders of civilians in Sierra Leone and Uganda, the systematic rape of women in Burma and in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and the ethnic cleansing in Bosnia and Kosovo. Because these crimes are not considered to be genocide, under existing U.S. law prosecutors do not have the ability to hold the perpetrators accountable. Crimes against humanity is a distinct category of crime and a separate statute is needed to provide United States courts with jurisdiction to indict those who commit these acts if they are ever present in the United States. . . .

"Though U.S. law prohibits grave human rights violations such as genocide and torture, alleged perpetrators of crimes against humanity may escape accountability due not to their innocence of unforgivable acts but to loopholes in the U.S. criminal code. The Crimes Against Humanity Act of 2009 would close this illogical gap in U.S. law. Just as they may pursue those who have committed related and similarly horrific crimes, U.S. prosecutors would have the authority to ensure that those in the United States who have committed crimes against humanity may not evade accountability merely by fleeing to our country."


But the bill, as written (See http://thomas.loc.gov ), would allow the prosecution of Americans for crimes against humanity wherever committed. Here is the section of the bill listing the punishable offenses (emphasis mine):

"(a) Offense- It shall be unlawful for any person to commit or engage in, as part of a widespread and systematic attack directed against any civilian population, and with knowledge of the attack--
1) conduct that, if it occurred in the United States, would violate--
A) section 1111 of this title (relating to murder);
B) section 1581(a) of this title (relating to peonage);
C) section 1583(a)(1) of this title (relating to kidnapping or carrying away individuals for involuntary servitude or slavery);
D) section 1584(a) of this title (relating to sale into involuntary servitude);
E) section 1589(a) of this title (relating to forced labor); or
F) section 1590(a) of this title (relating to trafficking with respect to peonage, slavery, involuntary servitude, or forced labor);
2) conduct that, if it occurred in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States, would violate--
A) section 1591(a) of this title (relating to sex trafficking of children or by force, fraud, or coercion);
B) section 2241(a) of this title (relating to aggravated sexual abuse by force or threat); or
C) section 2242 of this title (relating to sexual abuse);
3) conduct that, if it occurred in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States, and without regard to whether the offender is the parent of the victim, would violate section 1201(a) of this title (relating to kidnapping);
4) conduct that, if it occurred in the United States, would violate section 1203(a) of this title (relating to hostage taking), notwithstanding any exception under subsection (b) of section 1203;
5) conduct that would violate section 2340A of this title (relating to torture);
6) extermination;
7) national, ethnic, racial, or religious cleansing;
8) arbitrary detention; or
9) imposed measures intended to prevent births.
b) Penalty- Any person who violates subsection (a), or attempts or conspires to violate subsection (a)--
1) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both; and
2) if the death of any person results from the violation of subsection (a), shall be fined under this title and imprisoned for any term of years or for life."


If George W. Bush did not conspire as part of a widespread and systematic attack directed against a civilian population to murder, arbitrarily detain, and torture (and probably a few more offenses), then nobody ever has. Now it's true that Bush is not from Sierra Leone, Uganda, or Burma. He's American and he committed his crimes in the United States, giving orders for crimes to be committed abroad. But wait until you read the section of the bill on jurisdiction:

"Jurisdiction- There is jurisdiction over a violation of subsection (a), and any attempt or conspiracy to commit a violation of subsection (a), if--
1) the alleged offender is a national of the United States or an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence;
2) the alleged offender is a stateless person whose habitual residence is in the United States;
3) the alleged offender is present in the United States, regardless of the nationality of the alleged offender; or
4) the offense is committed in whole or in part within the United States."


Oops. The authors of the bill apparently neglected to consider the possibility of the existence of the most glaring incident in the past decade of our nation's existence. How can you fail to imagine what has just occurred in front of you? I'm not sure. I think a lot of humming and averting of the gaze must be involved. In any case, I do not see how this bill can fail to accidentally criminalize in the US Code what we agreed was a crime, if not the gravest crime of them all, when we agreed to the U.N. Charter, namely aggressive war. Of course, there are a million and one ways out, beginning with simple inaction and including all sorts of legalistic sophistry, such as claiming that the bombing of Baghdad was not directed at civilians but at Saddam Hussein. However, should honesty and decency ever gain the upper hand, I would prefer to have this law on the books and available.

There is one concern I would take seriously, and that is that we not punish crimes that occur prior to the creation of laws. However, doing so seems to be the clear intent of this bill as regards foreigners, the crimes of George W. Bush and gang were already widely known crimes under the UN Charter and Article VI of our Constitution, the War Crimes Act, the Anti-Torture Act, and other laws at the time committed, and as long as we are retroactively granting immunity for warrantless spying, refusing to prosecute torture, and permitting the widespread prosecution of local elected officials for political purposes, a little retroactive criminalization of the murder of a million human beings seems to me a move in the right direction.

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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 03:03 PM
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1. This needs to happen; Bush/Cheney & Co are War Criminals
and they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 03:12 PM
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5. and so should all those powerful Dems who helped Bush sell his position and lied to other
Dem lawmakers AND to the American people about the Iraq threat they saw through privileged access.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 07:23 PM
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20. which is why this probably won't see a vote ...
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 03:04 PM
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2. K&R!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 03:04 PM
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3. K&R
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 03:05 PM
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4. K&R
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 03:17 PM
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6. Where were they from 2001-2006 when the Congress could've put the brakes on?
Sorry folks, but they were just as complicit as anyone else. More so, since they have the resources (not to mention the responsibility) to fact-check WH BS and expose the outright lies. It's the job they were elected to do.

We didn't need to go to war against a concept, we only needed to secure our borders and investigate the perpetrators. They bought the same propaganda as the willfully ignorant 30% who will forever remember W* as the bestest pResident evah.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 03:31 PM
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7. Good. Get Senator Franken in on it.
But I fear that the blue dogs and cavers will doom it.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 12:44 AM
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22. Exactly. Now we have the power it's time for make those fuckers pay!!
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 03:54 PM
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8. Please let it be so. KnR n/t
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 03:58 PM
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9. This is the right thing to do.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 04:01 PM
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10. It sure is!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 04:09 PM
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11. No need for Bush or the repukes to complain either, since they are innocent of any wrongdoing,
Edited on Tue Jun-30-09 04:11 PM by Swamp Rat
right?

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 04:10 PM
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12. Make my day.
Thank-a-you for the news, davidswanson.

There ARE a few Senators left who will stand up to the War Party.

As for the rest, may they be remembered as the greasy rat cowards they are.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 04:13 PM
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13. Leave us rats out of it, homeboy
:D :hi:

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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 04:42 PM
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14. That is the most accurate picture of John Warmongering
Chickenhawk Bolton that I have ever seen!

Congratulations and thank you!

:yourock:
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Optical.Catalyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 04:47 PM
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15. I'm going to enjoy seeing pictures of Cheney in jail
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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 04:48 PM
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16. Obama would veto it
Time to look forward, blah, blah blah......
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 10:06 AM
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31. Going to use that defense next time i get a speeding ticket,
And decide not to pay it.
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 11:28 AM
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34. Vengence is mine sayeth the lord!
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 05:07 PM
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17. An absolute must pass bill
!
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 05:28 PM
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18. They MUST, or the World Court will step in & do it...
and I can't afford airfare to the Haague right now, anyway.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 05:45 PM
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19. WOW...
and then there will be calls for Prosecution of Obama for sending more troops to Afghanistan and for his continuation of Bush's war in Iraq...

Yes the law will be good to define our position in the world.
No Bush will never be held accountable under it regardless of what you think should happen.
Bush got away with murder and the only way it was possible is with a complicit congress and a Complicit America.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 12:25 AM
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21. Snowball > No Chance < Hell
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 01:14 AM
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23. K&R
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 05:05 AM
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24. K&R.
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condoleeza Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 05:16 AM
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25. Call me a cockeyed optimist but I don't think this is an ooops
Inch by inch I sincerely hope that a shrewd administration is moving for prosecution and moving slowly, allowing the guilty to play their cards one by one until they lose.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 11:42 AM
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35. Cheney is certainly frightened of something or he wouldn't have emerged from his bunker to be on tv
so much lately. And that goes for his good-for-a-deferment daughter too.
Keep a good thought :)
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condoleeza Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 10:17 PM
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41. So trying to keep a good thought. n/t
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Suji to Seoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 05:58 AM
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26. Feingold for MAJORITY LEADER!!!!!!
REAL DEMOCRATS!!!!
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 06:11 AM
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27. AND, we DO have the votes NOW Nancy!
Edited on Wed Jul-01-09 06:13 AM by Hubert Flottz
EDIT... to SAY...k&RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 06:33 AM
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28. K & R. n/t
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 09:00 AM
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29. I don't understand the part you wrote about jurisdiction
Are you saying that that part is meant to exclude U.S. citizens from being prosecuted under this bill? How does it say that?
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 10:30 AM
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32. i didn't WRITE anything
i just quoted
and it said pretty clearly that it would apply to US citizens
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-02-09 06:43 AM
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42. I'm glad it applies to U.S. citizens
I was confused about the part that followed, where you said

"Oops. The authors of the bill apparently neglected to consider the possibility of the existence of the most glaring incident in the past decade of our nation's existence..."

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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 10:03 AM
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30. K - R
nt
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 10:59 AM
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33. Thanks for posting this, David!
:thumbsup: :woohoo: :hi:


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jeff47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 12:18 PM
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36. Somebody's not a lawyer.
(Including me, but anyway)

This bill does pretty much nothing.

First, even if it passed today, it could not be used to charge Bush, Cheney, et al. You can't prosecute a past activity under a new law. Retroactive criminalization is not a road we want to go down for any crime. No matter how heinous. You don't win by stooping to your opponent's level.

Second, we already signed a treaty banning the activities listed in this act. We signed it during the Reagan administration. So the activities in this law are already illegal in the US. I really wish someone would point out the 'loophole' this bill is closing.

Third, one detail of that treaty is it's "Universal Jurisdiction" clause. If anyone tortures someone anywhere in the world, they can be tried in the signatory countries. That means if someone in, say, Sierra Leone tortures prisoners and then arrives in the US, the US can prosecute them in US courts under this treaty. In fact, there's one such gentleman serving a life sentence in the US.

This clause also applies to US nationals. For example, Spain can prosecute Bush, Cheney, et al. under this treaty. Their only protection would be the unwillingness of the current and future US governments to respect the treaty.

There is a bit of political reality here. If Obama rushed in with an investigation, then a future Republican administration will investigate the hell out of him, even if the charges are bogus. So Obama needs a little bit of a cooling off period. A bit down the road when another shoe drops, he can put on the serious face and say there has to be an investigation.

This, btw, is why Pelosi and friends were complete idiots in 2006. They could have impeached Bush and Cheney, gotten a thorough investigation, and put Bush and Cheney in jail. But she and the rest of the Congressional leadership were cowards, and decided to pass the buck while tying Obama's hands at the same time.
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shellfishgene Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 12:25 PM
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37. Ex Post Facto Law
Unconstitutional as applied to past conduct. Bush officials can be prosecuted under existing US law.
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johnhkennedy Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 12:30 PM
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38. Keep hammering at Obama/Holder "Prosecute" "Prosecute"
"the crimes of George W. Bush and gang were already widely known crimes under the UN Charter and Article VI of our Constitution, the War Crimes Act, the Anti-Torture Act, and other laws at the time committed"

We have all the evidence we need to Prosecute.
We just have to force the issue.


SIGN THE PETITION
calling for Prosecution

http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG


.
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 01:20 PM
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39. K & R nt
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Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 09:02 PM
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40. ex post facto? ah, to hell with it, prosecute the bastards.
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