Keith's a class act!! Made Rivera BEST PERSON IN THE WORLD

[CatWoman]

For pimp slapping O'Reilly!

[Lost-in-FL]

1. BBWAAAA!!!

I saw that!! That was great!!! :rofl: :spray: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[babylonsister]

2. I agree with KO, but wonder if that was a ratings ploy, coming from

Faux. I've become such a skeptic! :)

[walldude]

14. Did you see the video? I doubt O'Reilly wanted his fan

to see him like that. I really think it was for real...

[babylonsister]

16. I did, but I still think it's possible that it was scripted to garner attention.

And it worked.

[walldude]

19. Well, they do say "as long as you spell my name right"

:toast:

[Buzz Clik]

57. The video clip does not show the entire piece.

After the screaming and yelling and pointing and gesturing, suddenly the storm passed, and Bill and Geraldo were pals again complimenting each other and Fox for tolerating opposing views.

If you believed that video, I'm guessing you think pro wrestling is real, too.

[Raine]

87. Yeah really

I had to retch when Gerald and O'Reilly bragged on how "fair and balanced" their network is to have allowed that exchange. :puke: I can't believe that people have actually fallen for all that fake crap! :eyes: I've never seen such bad acting as those two with their pretend outrage as they "disagreed" with each other. x(

[Cameron27]

3. I'm SO glad you posted this!

OMG how funny is that?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Robson]

4. First time I ever agreed with O'Reilly

This drunken illegal that killed these young girls should have been deported years ago.

Rivera was trying to play the Hispanic card. This isn't about Hispanics, it's about legal immigration and enforcement of our laws against greedy mf'in employers, identity theft and being here in the country illegally.

[CatWoman]

5. ...

:popcorn:

[Rosemary2205]

6. I got paralyzed by a drunk that was born in Georgia

can we deport him someplace too?

His jail time was so short he's already out and despite not having a license had been caught DUI yet again. I'm still paralyzed and my husband still suffers disabling memory loss.

Illegal has nothing to do with drunk driving.

[CatWoman]

8. Rosemary

:hug:

[Rosemary2205]

10. Thanks :) nt

[brentspeak]

33. I wish we could deport the drunk driver who victimized you and your husband

regardless or where ever he's from, including the United States.

[nadinbrzezinski]

99. So you are for deporting all drunks

so we are clear on the matter

We have one who wants to bring back prohibition and another one who wishes to deport them.

For the record, I'm for tougher penalties, but I am not willing to go as far as El Salvador where this would be a death penalty offense

[babylonsister]

18. Yours is the only argument that is necessary on this.

And I'm so sorry not only to hear about how a drunk changed your life, but also to hear that drunk was let loose again.

[brentspeak]

23. If this illegal alien had been deported after his first DUI, the girls would still be alive

There was no justification at all for him being able to remain in the United States once he demonstrated himself to be a public danger. That's what makes this tragedy even more outrageous: if the law had been only been followed the way it was supposed to have been (i.e. Ramos being booted out), this particular discussion wouldn't be taking place.

[Robson]

25. We need to nail repeat offenders

Rosemary I'm very sorry to hear that. Hopefully those words do not ring hollow.

My point is that we will never stop this, but when we have an opportunity rid the country of this scourge (DUIers) we should take advantage. If he was caught as an illegal, illegally driving drunk previously he should have been immediately deported to Mexico and that could have saved the lives of these girls. Any citizen found guilty of multiple DUIs should face special monitoring, and 10 years of driving with ignition sobriety lockouts on their car and a significant bounty placed on their head for illegal driving. There are drug treatments that supposedly will eliminate the desire for booze.

[Rosemary2205]

98. I don't think you actually agree with O'Reilly.

O'Reilly's standpoint is that every illegal alien is a danger to our life and limb because they are all criminals for just being here and god only knows how they will murder our precious little children next.

Saying that someone was caught DUI and turned out to be illegal should have been deported then I have no problem with that. -- But the basic message behind O'Reilly is totally different. I appreciate you clearing up your standpoint. When you said you agreed with O'Reilly, the first red flag that popped up was "what a racist". Sorry.

[tandot]

27. We just had 3 fatal drunk driving accident in our area

The last one was a pregnant mother of two walking to a passover dinner...killed by an American citizen driving drunk. The one before that a drunken Republican activist killing 4 teenagers and one toddler, and then a legal immigrant.

As you said: "Illegal has nothing to do with drunk driving"

I worked at a residential drug and alcohol treatment center for a while. Most people who got DUIs checking in for treatment were white and mostly middle class. It was even scarier that one of the counselors had 3 DUIs and I found out that he actually was a client in the same center before he became a counselor. When I started working there, he actually told me that he was driving better drunk than most of the other drivers on the road and that drunk driving should not be a crime...AS A COUNSELOR...and, he was a rapid right-winger.

I stopped driving during the night time and especially on holidays.

I hope you and your husband are getting the help you need and you are doing as good as you possibly can. I am sending positive thoughts your way :hug:

[Ecumenist]

88. Might I second that, Rosemary...

God bless you and your husband and I pray that you're getting all the help that you need..:hug: :grouphug:

BTW Tandot, are you in Sacramento? One of my closest friends is a member of the family that lost the 3 young women and the 18 month old little boy. Frankly, all of us feel that this creep should be hung by the toes and a monkey wrench used on his most sensitive parts. If this is the same guy that Ahnold appointed to that board and in fact, turned out to be a realtor, when he was <<finally>> breath tested apporx 6 hours later, he tested at over TWICE the legal level!!

[tandot]

94. Hi Ecumenist. I live in Rocklin

These DUI accidents lately have been horrific. I feel so sorry for the family of those 3 teens and the toddler.

[veness]

44. Am so sorry about this Rosemary....

All the best to you and to your husband. And thanks for the reality check.

[Radio_Lady]

58. How sad for you, Rosemary. I feel badly for you and your husband, but of course I agree

with your logic.

We just got back from Hawaii -- where almost every road on Maui and Oahu has several roadside crosses and other memorials indicating where someone has had an accident; probably fatal and probably involving drinking.

Alcohol is the OTHER drug in the American drug war.

In peace,

Radio Lady Ellen in Oregon

[symbolman]

90. Wish you'd let us know

we live in Hawaii and would have taken another DU'r to dinner :)

The thing you have to worry about HERE is CRACK, moreso than alcohol, but alcohol is a Big Problem.. people drive insanely here - then there are the police that just SHOOT people, wish I was kidding..

I don't drive or let my wife go out at night, the "monsters" come out on the weekends..

Next time let us know, wouldja? :)

I've got a sister in Oregon too..

[Radio_Lady]

95. Hello Symbolman... You must have missed my long thread asking about things to do in Hawaii!

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/113

We're try to getcha next time! Thanks for the post... We spent most of our free time on Maui. Which island do you live on? We were pretty busy when we flew to Oahu, with our incoming children and grandkids in tow!

Yeah, I watch Duane "Dog" Chapman's TV show on cable -- we were supposed to go to Ala Moana Park one day, but the weather wasn't great. When I got last weekend home, Beth, Chapman's wife, talked about the homeless and druggies in that park. Ah, well, we've got homeless and drug people right here in our suburban Oregon city, too. It's pretty pervasive unless you live in a very rural area with no neighbors!

Warm regards,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[nadinbrzezinski]

100. I am truly sorry about you and your husband

and it is a bout drunk driving, not ilegals.

I wish he served a longer sentence, quite frankly

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[Robson]

12. Actually it's about little more

Actually it's about a loser and an illegal immigrant that has been arrested multiple times as a drunk, driving without a driver's license, and found to have committed ID fraud. If he would have killed your kids I doubt that you'd be asking to give him another chance. I know one thing for certain I couldn't be held responsible for my actions.

http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=6321729

[walldude]

15. The parents of the girl didn't care that he was illegal

you lose a child, the last thing you give a shit about is someones politics or someones immigration status.

[brentspeak]

20. The point is, had he been deported after his first DUI, these girls would still be alive

[Lost-in-FL]

22. and THAT is law enforcement fault

... cause they were not doing their job. Still, the unfortunate accident happened because of this person being drunk.

[brentspeak]

30. It's not necessarily law enforcement's fault

Reading the articles surrounding this case, Virginia Beach cops have apparently been dissuaded by the local politicians from notifying INS on illegal immigration issues. The VBeach cops are already overworked, and don't have the resources to pursue the illegal immigration charges. There's no real coordination between INS and local police forces.

Illegal immigrants are, by law, supposed to be deported. I don't agree that all illegal immigrants need to be deported; we should be able to grant a small percentage of them immunity. But one thing I definitely stand firm on is that any illegal alien who engages in criminal activity needs to be given the boot immediately. Our overworked law enforcement resources can't handle them, given the lax laws.

[Lost-in-FL]

34. The point is that...

if the person who killed these people was an American citizen, we wouldn't be talking about it. The issue is that this unfortunate accident is now been used to fuel xenophobia, plain and simple. Drunk driving is a problem and I have heard of people who has 2 or three DUI's and they are American citizens. How many other "illegal" drunk drivers have you heard of? Why is this fueling so much talking? I work in an emergency room and the people I have seen killed by drunk drivers are American citizens killed by other American citizens.

[Robson]

43. Law enforcement is supposed to be more than a wink

Any DUI accident is tragic. However if the driver was someone who should never have been on the road, whether an illegal immigrant or a citizen criminal perp that should have been in jail, it becomes even more tragic.

Our system of enforcement of laws is supposed to minimze and protect us from exposure to this stuff, but it doesn't work when laws are only winked at.

[Lost-in-FL]

46. We all agree to that

What I don't agree is that the issue is turning into an anti-immigration issue when in fact is about the ineptitude of a system that even 6 years after 9/11 has done nothing to protect it citizens from the dangers of illegal immigration. This is not about "them Mexicans" but about the failure of the state to protect it citizens.

[Lost-in-FL]

75. but...

this case is about drunken driving not immigration.

[brentspeak]

48. As it turns out, there were at least two incidents of this kind this week

The other one took place in Los Angeles, when an illegal alien, driving drunk, killed movie director Bob Clark and his son. I've known of other incidents, as well.

We're talking about it because this particular incident (and the one in California) were actually much more preventable than drunk driving killings committed by citizens. It would be great if we could deport citizens who are known to drive drunk, but the law doesn't exactly allow for that.

The case of Alfredo Ramos is different. The law actually says we're supposed to deport him (he had already been busted several times before for DUI), but various lax policies have created a system where that just doesn't happen. Had the law been followed (a novel idea), these two girls would still be alive. That doesn't mean Ramos' deportation would have saved the lives of other people killed by citizen drivers; it just means that the two girls' lives would have been saved. But that's a pretty huge "just", especially to those two victims and their families.

It's the rare opportunity when we're actually given the means to completely prevent a criminal from committing any further crimes upon the public. When you see a chance, take it; someone's life could be at stake. The means were there to prevent Ramos, but the System blew it.

[Lost-in-FL]

52. Yes

And I have known people who are American citizens who killed others while drunk having several DUI's under their belts and also having their licenses revoked fro life. Those deaths were also preventable but the system "blew it".

[Lost-in-FL]

39. It is a law enforcement issue

"Being overworked"? sure, pass (not you of course, but law enforcement) the blame on being overworked like "illegal immigration" is a new thing. And you are saying that in 6 years post 9/11 they still haven't done a thing about coordinating with the INS? I guess it is easier for the state to fuel hatred against immigrants. That's cheaper than getting law enforcement up to date.

[MadMaddie]

41. Actually, you should research this before making such a

broad statement...

For example the police officers in TX would arrest illegals, process them and do their job. The INS would take them back to Mexico and these people were back in San Antonio the next couple of days.

Border Security is the issue and the Republicans with all of their Rhetoric have done nothing to try and fix the problem.

The Police are killed by drunk drivers too....in Seattle two young cops died at the end of last year one on duty and another on her way to work by White drunk drivers...

This is a US problem.

[Tatiana]

66. Exactly. Securing the border is the biggest problem.

We can deport illegal immigrants all we want, but we have corporate and sleezy organizations right here in the U.S. that will find ways to smuggle them back in. We need a secure border and a larger, more effective border patrol.

[devilgrrl]

24. Fine! Blame the authorities! They let him go!

Whether he's from Mexico or Georgia! Go harp on law enforcement. :mad:

[walldude]

37. Well then, maybe we should deport alcohol as well.

because if he hadn't been drinking she'd also still be alive. Maybe we should deport cars too. It could have been any drunk driver in any car. DUI is the crime here. His legal status is a secondary issue. I will say this, how an illegal can commit a crime and not get deported is certainly an issue that needs to be dealt with, but his legal status isn't what killed this kid.

[Bad Thoughts]

40. Then how will the next victim ...

... of a drunk driver be saved?

[roguevalley]

47. the parents of the girl spoke out and said that bringing this issue into

this was hurtful to them. they want healing. they have true heart. o'reily got what he deserved and geraldo gave it. good for him.

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[Robson]

13. Opposition to unwavering greed

You call it xenophobic....I call it opposing those whose unwavering greed causes them to employ cheap illegal labor who steal jobs from those Americans that are already struggling to make ends meet.

I'm more than willing and proud to stand up for Americans that have no job, and no voice because politicians want votes and the rich want cheap foreign labor, and the churches want more in their collection plates.

Rivera and O'Reilly both probably employ these people because they are too cheap to hire Americans.

[sandnsea]

17. Why attack the exploited worker?

We stand together or we perish alone. Whether it's US workers, illegals, or foreign workers - we're all being exploited by the same multinationals. When we turn against each other, we're playing right into their hands. This is a fight for labor rights for workers all over the world, so the corporatists have no one left to exploit.

[Robson]

21. Do we say the hell with poor Americans...let's bring in more illegals?.

I'm not attacking the illegal workers, although I don't give them a pass either. I'm attacking the rich globalists, the greedy US Chamber of Commerce, both political Parties, the churches, some unions and the others that all stand to gain something in their quest for more bodies and cheap labor. Do we forget that the losers are American workers that are already struggling? Or do we say the hell with those Americans?

[sandnsea]

28. ALL being exploited

Are you confused about the definition of ALL??? You focus on the exploited, everybody else will too. The ones causing the problem get off scott free.

Do you think O'Reilly really cares about working Americans? Or do you think he's helping the corporatists keep the focus off of them? Helping them change the subject? That's what they do. Create phony issues to keep you from looking at how they're screwing you while you're freaking out over treehuggers, feminists, and illegal unskilled laborers.

[Big Pappa]

26. Illegal, DUI, 2 girls killed.

and this about labor rights? Hmm ok.

[sandnsea]

29. It's about drunk driving

Period.

[Robson]

31. It should be about preventability

As with most accidents...the most important question should be how could it have been prevented?

It isn't about the accident or the driver except for accountability.

[babylonsister]

36. Good point; then I hope you respond to #6 and #27 in this thread.

And then make the case that it's an immigrant issue. This guy should not have been driving, period. Just like tons of Americans who have killed other Americans because their good sense flew out the window, if they had any to begin with.

[sandnsea]

50. 24 hr monitoring of all humans?

We don't live in a perfect world. Maybe the guy would have gotten drunk and killed some kids in some other country. How is that better? Maybe some other low-income worker would have gotten drunk and killed these two kids in Virginia. Is that better?

This isn't about immigration. It's about the tragedy of drunk driving, which can never be completely prevented.

And you know, there's something to be said for bringing illegals into the system - giving them a legality to protect, driver's licenses and all. Seems to me the more people have to lose, the more likely they are to follow the law.

[brentspeak]

55. There are no hypotheticals here

The fact of the matter is that a) for various reasons, the law of the land wasn't enforced, and Ramos was inexcusably allowed to remain the U.S. ; and b) the girls would be alive had he been repatriated. That's it.

[sandnsea]

59. It's always "those people"

Same kind of thinking that led to the lynchings and segregation. "Those people" just couldn't be trusted to conduct themselves with respectable white people. That's why "those people" were lynched for even looking at white women. "Those people" don't work as well as white people, that's why "those people" don't need to have the same wage. Always the same. Just a new set of excuses to label and villify and oppress. To keep the white man at the top of the heap.

:puke:

[brentspeak]

61. Can you provide a translation for that?

[sandnsea]

65. B-I-G-O-T-R-Y

Clear enough?

[brentspeak]

70. No, it's not clear

It's not clear why you assume that. You've made no attempt to respond to any particulars with particulars of your own.

[sandnsea]

71. Deny it if you want

It's clear you're choosing to use an incident that happens all over the world, thousands of times a day, to slander a minority group.

[brentspeak]

73. It's clear that you have nothing of substance to say

other than ad hominem. It's easier for you to attack the person than it is to actually respond directly to the content of something said. Sad.

[sandnsea]

80. You ignore the substance

You choose to ignore the substantive arguments regarding immigration, economy, politicizing. People who deny all that in order to continue to smear minority groups for political purposes are bigots. Plain and simple. There's no logical argument to smear this guy over his immigration status. It has nothing to do with his drunken driving. We aren't going to get rid of drunken driving by targeting illegal immigrants. They have nothing to do with each other. The only ones who would want to join them would want to do it to create a lynch mob atmosphere. It's sick.

[brentspeak]

32. No, it's about Alfredo Ramos

who, by law, should have been repatriated back to his home country, before he had a chance to finally succeed in killing someone with his drunken driving.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

81. just what I was going to say

:hug:

If there weren't jobs waiting here for them, they wouldn't come. Why do the big corps. never get more than a slap on the wrist?

[MadMaddie]

35. United States Drunk Driving Statistics (Committed by Americans)

Department of Health and Human Services

http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drving.htm


Alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes kill someone every 31 minutes and nonfatally injure someone every two minutes (NHTSA 2006).

During 2005, 16,885 people in the U.S. died in alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes, representing 39% of all traffic-related deaths (NHTSA 2006).

Interesting that O'Leilly had no problem with Americans drunk driving....America has a problem with drunk driving and one driver who happens to be illegal will not make it another countries problem, or an illegal alian problem.....

[HughMoran]

42. Hmmm, you miss the point like O'Reilly

That sucks.

Drunk driving has NOTHING AT ALL to do with the ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION ISSUE.

That's what Rivera said, and you have chosen to deliberately miss the point.

:(

[Beausoir]

54. Congrats! You must feel so proud!

Although, something tells me this isn't really the first time you have agreed with that hate-spewer.

[KingFlorez]

78. It's about drunk driving, not immigration

Drunk driving isn't exclusive to illegal immigrants.

[krispos42]

83. You are right. However, under conservative policy, they don't

They don't because the Repubs don't want to fund the various government agencies that are suppose to make this kind of stuff work. Because when you put into power people who do not believe that government should exist and try to destroy it, surprise surprise government stops working so well. Underfunded, politicized, demoralized, demonized, crony-filled...

Just the way the Repubs like it.

[Hamlette]

85. Your position is untenable, illegal immigration could be solved tomorrow

by punishing employer who employ them. No jobs, no illegals. We won't do it.

Instead, people like O'Reilly rant and rave about the illegals. How come no one rants about the employers? They are the real problem.

[Robson]

38. Bob Clark Director & Son Killed By DUI Illegal Immigrant

Maybe this should be a separate topic, but I'll add it to this.

Federal authorities have placed an immigration hold on a 24-year-old Mexican national arrested on suspicion of driving drunk and causing the crash that killed "A Christmas Story" director Bob Clark and his son, officials said Thursday.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement put the hold Wednesday on Hector Velazquez-Nava, an illegal immigrant living in Los Angeles, said agency spokeswoman Virginia Kice.

The action means Velazquez-Nava will be turned over to federal immigration officials and placed in deportation proceedings once his local case is completed. He was arrested for investigation of driving under the influence of alcohol and gross vehicular manslaughter, and was being held on $100,000 bail in a county jail.

If he were to post bail, Velazquez-Nava would be taken into federal custody on the immigration hold, Kice said.

http://www.news.cinematical.com/2007/04/06/bob-clarks-dui-killer-illegal-immigrant-will-be-deported-to-m/

[HughMoran]

45. Since immigrants commit vehicular homicide at a lower rate that 'Mercans

...how does that not make your argument bigoted?

[Big Pappa]

49. Its not about who

does more of anything. It is the fact that this was preventable if law enforcement had been able or been more determined to do their job the first time the asshole had been arrested.

[HughMoran]

51. Yep

So long as people don't assume that all people trying to make a living in a foreign country are criminals by default.

Yes, it was a law enforcement issue, NOT an immigration issue.

[Bad Thoughts]

53. How could the 46 people

who will die in alcohol related accidents in the next 24 hours be saved by the immigration law?

(Based on MADD's 2004 numbers)

[brentspeak]

56. If any of them were to be killed by an illegal immigrant who had earlier broken the law

(exempting the breaking of law for illegally entering the U.S.), enforcement of immigration law would have kept that particular drunk driver off the streets. It's that simple.

[Bad Thoughts]

60. That's contrived

Whether deportation would have prevented this particular tragedy is clear, but the core of the tragedy is driving while intoxicated, not illegal immigration. The two are linked here only coincidently. By insisting on the primacy of enforcement of immigration codes, you betray that your sole interest is in illegal immigrants, not drunk driving deaths. Indeed, you are trying to equate the two, without success. This one tragedy would have been prevented, but it would have been by chance. The other forty-five can't wait for the courts to deport their would be killers.

[brentspeak]

68. No, that's not contrived

I'm actually staying on topic -- the topic of Alfredo Ramos. This thread is about the argument between Bill O'Reilly and Geraldo Rivera, which was about the case of Alfredo Ramos. You muddied the issue by injecting the whole gamut of drunk driving into the topic with this question: How could the 46 people who will die in alcohol related accidents in the next 24 hours be saved by the immigration law?

You're making the claim that this is about driving while intoxicated while also making the claim that I suggested this is about illegal immigration. But I never said it was about illegal immigration, and it was you who said it about drunk driving. I said it was about Alfredo Ramos, and how lax enforcement of the immigration laws erased an opportunity to prevent the tragedy.

[Big Pappa]

62. None.

if the person that kills them is here illegally and had been stopped previous times for DUI and law enforcement and the courts do not deport them.

[brentspeak]

63. The issue isn't immigrants, it's illegal immigrants

And actually, illegal immigrants have been responsible for a long laundry list of fatal car accidents in just the past few years.

[HughMoran]

64. That's evasive

Lots of people commit crimes.

I didn't have room for the word "illegal", though it truly doesn't matter - unless there is some sort of bigotry involved...

[Robson]

67. Using your logic this isn't about illegal immigrants or DUI

Sorry my friend but your logic of not holding the illegal driver responsible is becoming somewhat skewed, but it has been repeated by others on this thread.

By extension your logic on the accident isn't about illegal immigrants, or lack of law enforcement or DUI.... it's about innocent drivers being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The illegals being in the USA with multiple arrest records are irrelevant and so is their DUI status in this accident. You must be the defense attorney for this guy.

{sarcasm}

[HughMoran]

69. Funny and bizarre

I said it is a law enforcement issue, they should deal with the issue.

Illegal immigrants commit crime at a lower rate than us more established immigrants (unless you are an American Indian) - so your point is mute and strictly argumentative. It's a disguise for bigotry, pure and simple.

[brentspeak]

72. Wait a minute

Where are you getting the information that "illegal immigrants commit crime at a lower rate"?

It wasn't my original intention to debate this kind of question, but you're deserving to have the spotlight put squarely on you. You're good at impudently throwing the word "bigotry" around at people you don't know; do you have an equal talent for backing your statements up with reliable sources?

[HughMoran]

74. No, but that's not the point either

So you do think those "illegals" commit more crime than the average American huh?

Now it's becomming clearer. Geraldo said that illegals commit less crime and he was not challenged, I repeated it.

That's not a reliable source, but apparently you do not know the answer either which is quite telling...

[Lost-in-FL]

76. ...

http://www.ailf.org/ipc/special_report/sr_022107.pdf

[HughMoran]

79. Thanks

Glad you have that bookmarked.

[Nevernose]

77. Would she be any less dead if the driver'd been legal?

Would she be any less dead if the driver had been legal?

No? She'd still be dead?

Then the issue at hand is whether or not the driver in question was responsible, not the driver's legal status in the country.

[brentspeak]

91. But the driver wasn't legal. There was an opportunity to prevent this tragedy

We can't deport citizens who commit drunk driving. Instead, there's very little we can do to prevent them from getting back on the roads and eventually killing somebody.

But we can deport illegal aliens who commit drunk driving. In fact, we're supposed to deport illegal aliens who commit drunk driving -- or who commit any other crime, for that matter. That's the law of the land.

[Robson]

101. My oh my!

Such bigotry is unbecoming.......LOL. Let's blame the victim since the illegal perp is being put on a pulpet of innocence by a few. {sarcasm intended, but not for you brentspeak}

[Jonathan50]

82. There's a simple solution to the drunk driving problem..

Make alcohol illegal, as it should be.

Alcohol is far more dangerous than cannabis.

Alcohol is also far more detrimental to driving ability than is cannabis.

Cannabis is totally illegal.

Why is alcohol not illegal?

Once the drunk drivers can't drive to the closest convenience store to buy a twelve pack they will cut way back on their drinking.

http://madd.org/stats/1112

According to data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), in 2005, 16,885 people were killed in alcohol-related crashes - an average of one almost every half-hour. These deaths constituted approximately 39 percent of the 43,443 total traffic fatalities.



As you can see from the chart below, drug overdoses are less than the number of drunk driving fatalities in the USA.

Not to mention that drug overdosers kill themselves and not innocent others.




http://www.drug-rehabs.org/content.php?cid=360&state=

U.S. vital statistics show that more than 20,000 people a year die from alcohol induced causes. That figure does not include people killed in alcohol-related auto accidents or those who die of cirrhosis and other liver ailments.

[Hekate]

84. Well, THAT worked really well the first time didn't it? Sorry, Prohibition was a bad idea...

...almost as bad an idea as the "War" on Drugs. It was well-intentioned as all get out, but an utter failure.

Sorry, there's no simple answers here.

Hekate

[WritingIsMyReligion]

93. I think we already tried that, and I think it failed miserably.

To make a mistake once is one thing. To repeat it is unforgivable.

[Raine]

86. I was disappointed in KO

that he didn't see that the whole thing was an obvious ratings ploy by faux. The whole back and forth was so phoney and fake with the over the top drama. Afterward Geraldo took the opportunity to brag that they could 'disagree' like that cause their network is so 'fair and balanced'. :puke: At least Tucker Carlson pointed out it was so fake it was equal to the brawl Trump had with that fighter.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

89. Video Clip

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dJb9-hFbFMk

[EstimatedProphet]

92. It was a good one, that's for sure!

[countingbluecars]

96. I love KO, but

I think msnbc used this "Best Person in the World" switch to avoid dealing with one of their own as "Worst Person in the World." It would have been difficult and hypocritical to overlook Imus considering his racist comments.

[CatWoman]

97. Crikey!!

none of this was going on when I went to bed last night. :scared:

flame wars are funny things.......