Debbie Rowe says she doesn't want the children

[CatWoman]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/28/debbie-rowe-michael-is-no_n_222027.html

[ruggerson]

1. even blanket?

[Merlot]

5. I don't think blanket was hers.

I read somewhere that no one knows who blanket's mother is.

Sad that she doesn't want them.

[Happyhippychick]

2. It's probably for the best.

[applegrove]

37. She doesn't seem like the maternal type. She just took the money and ran.

[Happyhippychick]

51. Yes. And she even says she feels no attachment. Hard to believe.

[timeforpeace]

3. "I'll take what's behind door number 3!"

[hlthe2b]

4. strange,but I sort of respect her if it is true she could go for more $$

At least she knows she is not the best choice for the kids and is not going to make a play just to get more $$.

[Duer 157099]

6. I agree

It takes alot to admit that one would not be a good parent.

[Withywindle]

44. And to think I admitted it long ago and got nothin'!

[aaaaaa5a]

7. I wonder how much she got paid for that statement! NT

[XemaSab]

8. Those poor kids

:cry:

[Cha]

12. Yes, I would think they

could have major abandonment issues..here's to hoping they're able to land in a loving environment.

[XemaSab]

18. Not just abandonment

Within the span of a few days, "dad" dies, you find out he isn't really your dad, mom says she doesn't want you, and you're shuttled off to be raised by "grandma" (who isn't your actual grandma) who is married to the dude who screwed up "dad" in the first place. :(

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

19. MJ wasn't the father?

Where did you hear this?

[gauguin57]

23. Those kids are as white as snow. Michael may have bleached his skin, but he couldn't bleach his DNA!

No way those kids could be that white if MJ was their biological dad. We only have MJ's word that he's the bio. father of all three; and he told us that in an interview (with Martin Bashir) in which he also said the only plastic surgery he ever had was on his nose (and all sorts of other ridiculous lies). The guy was so deluded (perhaps self-deluded) that he thought the public would buy all of that.

[davidpdx]

49. It seems like that is the case

Which means somewhere there is some guy who donated the sperm and is their biological father. The question is, does that person have any rights at all or are they waived at some point when he signs a document donating his sperm.

The whole thing is going to get ugly ugly ugly now that Rowe has bowed out saying she wants nothing to do with the kids. I pray to God that his parents don't get custody.

You thought the whole thing over Anna Nicole Smith was a drama...this is going to make that saga look like a small parade.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

53. A question and a comment

If he wasn't the father, are there papers showing he adopted them? If not, wow, and their birth certificates say he's the father, then what happens to them now?

I don't think he bleached his skin. I do think he had the skin condition where he lost the pigment. My grandfather had it and even though he was white, it was quite obvious. I'm sure Michael used makeup to hide the condition, because it is usualy splotchy.

Edited to add: I haven't seen any photos of his children--or photos I recognized as being his children. If they are white, then that explains it--I was looking for bi-racial kids.

[Alcibiades]

60. Rowe was married to him

From what I understand, legally the husband is the presumptive father unless proved otherwise. In the case of artificial insemination with donor sperm, he's certainly legally the father.

[HamdenRice]

64. That's generally the case, but ...

It has to have been a valid marriage. It looks increasingly like the marriage was never consummated, which in some states means they were never married.

[shanti]

70. debbie rowe

said so herself. that's why she doesn't want them, because they're not micheal's kids. it's in the huff post story.

[KittyWampus]

57. how exactly does a black man "bleach" his skin? This should be interesting... since you're such a

know it all.

[HamdenRice]

65. Skin bleaching products used to be ubiquitous in the African American community

The back of Ebony was full of adds for them back in the day. Fortunately, the "black is beautiful" movement of the 60s finally mostly ended their use. But the technology is certainly still around and dermatologists can easily bleach a black person white.

Now the stuff is generally marketed as being to "remove spots" like age spots.

The stuff is still widely used in South Africa, generally among very poor women, not the black middle class.

Ironically, the really cheap stuff eventually causes scarring that turns the skin dark. You see poor women in Johannesburg with those light skins and scarred cheeks all the time, generally in domestic workers' uniforms.

[marimour]

75. if he really had vitalago I dont think he used bleaching creams

I know people with vitalago who had a procedure done to depigment the rest of their skin to make it even . These people already had lost pigment on about 40-60% of their body though. There is a pic floating around in one of these MJ threads with a pic of vitalago on his neck.

[PA Democrat]

77. Photo of the 2 oldest kids

[Arkansas Granny]

82. It takes more than biology to make a father. I don't know what kind of a parent MJ

was, but legally and emotionally, he was father to the children.

[XemaSab]

30. In the op

:P

[question everything]

41. I have often wondered whether there was actual

intercourse between Jackson and any woman.

[Richard Steele]

48. Lisa Marie Presley is "on record" as saying her marriage to him was consummated....

...and that the aforementioned "consummation" was bizarre and creepy.

[bdamomma]

56. I heard yesterday on the news, that Michael even said to her

he may die like her father Elvis, and he did. They asked Lisa Marie about his death and she said it was inevitable. So sad, he was great, but he was a tragic figure.

[leftynyc]

72. He was their father in the legal sense

But I read they didn't use MJ's sperm (at his request) due to some genetic issues he was concerned about.

[CatWoman]

61. actually, he ''is" their father

he raised them, didn't he?

[itsrobert]

9. Maybe Angelina Jolie will adopt

?

[Critters2]

22. Or Madonna! That would positively KILL Larry King! nt

[Blasphemer]

36. That's the best suggestion I've heard and I'm not really a fan of the Jolie-Pitt's... nt

[Manifestor_of_Light]

10. This ties in with FrenchieCat's thread about the children.

FC was speculating that the children are not MJ's b/c they have no AA features at all. Lots of people argued about it. I thought they were not MJ's kids either. The thread turned into a flamefest of accusations of racism.

And Debbie Rowe say they are NOT his kids. And that they never had sex.

FC was right.

[LisaL]

11. Many people have been speculating about this for years.

[tammywammy]

13. On that thread

I think it had to do with more of how it was worded that it turned into such a flamefest.

Really, it doesn't matter if they were biologically his or not, they were his children regardless.

[FrenchieCat]

43. I think that I was quite thoughtful in how I worded that OP.......

Folks just didn't like what I was saying...
which is why it was called "racist".

I decided to ask for the thread to be locked,
because I realized that as a African-American/biracial person,
evidently it wasn't my place to bring up the obvious here at DU.

Others can read for themselves: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5933012

[renate]

45. you? racist? ridiculous!

It seemed to me that some people responded to their interpretations of what you said, rather than what you actually said, about the likelihood of Michael Jackson's kids being biologically his. (E.g., some people seemed to think that you said that it mattered whether they were biologically related to him, but you said no such thing in any way, shape, or form. And as for some of the other posts, I don't get how it's racist to point out that children tend to look like their parents.) Misunderstandings are to be expected, given the number and variety of Michael Jackson posts lately here and all the distinct differences in opinion about him, but I'm sorry that you got roughed up a little as a consequence.

I thought this post from that thread was interesting and germane to the point I think you were making:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5933012&mesg_id=5933485

[tammywammy]

55. It's just my opinion on the wording

I don't think you're racist.

[HamdenRice]

67. You were right Frenchie. They are not his biological kids. Vanity Fair reported it ...

that the sperm donor was a white Jewish man. There's a thread today linking to several in depth VF articles about MJ.

The article said that at the time, MJ didn't want to have a child that could possibly look like his hated father, and that he didn't like the way dark people look, so he used sperm donated by a white person. My guess is he specified Jewish so the kids would at least look Mediterranean.

Also your thread, which I just read today, was a train wreck of bizarre notions of what is and isn't "racist."

[Ilsa]

14. An announcer on one of the cable networks said they were not his

biological children, that there had been a sperm donor. It was stated without speculation.

[donheld]

34. They all look like totally white kids to me

[Rosa Luxemburg]

17. I thought

way back I heard that she had AI and that she was a surrogate mom?

[Number23]

31. You're absolutely right. No wonder so many conversations about race are never had here.

[marimour]

76. she was completely right. Frenchie was stating what was obvious to anyone with 2 eyes.

Those kids were white, no mixture at all. But this is DU so i'm not surprised that most people feel uncomfortable even mentioning race.

[Raineyb]

84. I always assumed that the kids weren't biologically his

They just didn't look the part.

As to that thread there are quite a few people who owe Frenchie Cat an apology. Although I'm sure she isn't holding her breath.

[Trocadero]

15. Whaaat? Where does she expect them to go? To the crazy family?

Joe - oh he's parent of the century!

[FreakinDJ]

16. Freakazoid is as Freakazoid does I always say....... n/t

[LisaL]

20. If this a credible report, then I am shocked.

Who is supposed to be raising the children? Aside from everything else, grandma is really old.

[GreenPartyVoter]

21. Poor kids. I wonder who will take them now? Another member of the Jackson Clan?

[Hoopla Phil]

39. Their Godfather is more than willing to take them but will not make any

kind of legal bid for them out of respect for the family. Of all the people he is probably the best suited too.

[gauguin57]

24. If any Jacksons get them, I nominate either Rebbie or Marlon. Because ...

... sister Rebbie and brother Marlon both got married relatively young, and got the HELL out of that HOUSE OF HORRORS. From what I've read, they seem to be the most well-adjusted of the group.

I think it's no coincidence that they're the only members of the clan (besides Joe Sr. and Katherine) who are still married to their original partners. The children of both are grown.

(you may remember Rebbie's only hit, "Centipede.") Marlon had a solo album, but it didn't go anywhere. He's done other stuff in the music biz.

The children's godfather, Mark Lester (played Oliver in the 1969 musical film "Oliver!"), said he'd be willing to take care of the kids.

Maybe MJ's wacky posse ... Uri Geller, Liz Taylor, Liza Minnelli, Jesse Jackson, Deepak Chopra, Rabbi Schmuley Boteach, and Al Sharpton ... would be willing to take turns raising them.

[amandabeech]

32. That sounds eminently reasonable.

Accordingly, I doubt that it will happen.

I feel really, really sorry for those kids. It's hard to think that they may end up damaged just like MJ himself was.

[Catherine Vincent]

25. Maybe LaToya can take them

She looks just like Michael.

[dysfunctional press]

26. his plan didn't work too well...he died just as they were getting ripe.

is this a great country or what?
if a child molester is rich enough, he can just buy himself some kids.

yay, america! :woohoo:

[CatWoman]

62. why did you have to bring that fucking bullshit into this thead??

[KamaAina]

73. Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

:puke: :puke: :puke:

[marimour]

78. disgusting post

[JI7]

27. why does anyone think she would ?

she gave them up before didn't she ?

they should probably go to one of the siblings.

[gauguin57]

28. I heard one reporter say the three kids are very smart and polite, and speak two or three languages.

They've never been to school ... always tutored at home.

The nanny considers herself their mother, but then she went and insulted Katherine Jackson today (saying Mrs. J showed up at the house right after MJ died, looking for cash he might have stashed around the house), so she'll be out on her ass.

Those poor kids is RIGHT.

[bdamomma]

58. there are going to be alot a court cases coming up.

I hope the money goes to his kids, cause the vultures will be out. Michael is worth more now than when he was living, sad.

[Catherine Vincent]

69. Really?

Do you have a link with that info? I'd like to read it. Thanks.

[marimour]

79. i dont think she meant that as an insult

at least it didn't come across like that to me when I read that article yesterday.

[Barb in Atl]

83. (Really trying to stay out of this but...)

Suppose Katherine Jackson did go to Michael's house immediately after his death to see the children, tell them (gently) what happened and the nanny went to the press and said she was looking for money.

Damn straight she would be fired.

Don't assume just becuase it was reported it is true.

The NANNY considers herself to be the mother? :tinfoilhat:

Were that true, would she be talking to the press saying negative things about the kids' grandmother?

Was the person claiming to be the nanny really the nanny? I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't.

[Liberal_in_LA]

29. ouch!

[UTUSN]

33. The construction worker. n/t

[cagesoulman]

35. More facts

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/381773/Mother-of-Michael-Jackons-children-Debbie-Rowe-confesses-he-was-not-their-father.html

* JACKSON never had sex with her throughout their marriage and parenthood;
* SHE offered to have babies for him after he told her that his first wife Lisa Marie Presley had refused to bear him any;
* THE star arranged for a sham marriage to make them appear like a family;
* HE cruelly ditched her when the painful second birth left her "all torn up inside" and unable to give him any more kids.

[Hoopla Phil]

38. In all honesty, the children would probably be best off if put with their

Godfather overseas.

[gauguin57]

52. Mark Lester is now an osteopathic physician, who runs an actupuncture clinic.

He's divorced, and has four kids, aged 10 to 17.

[undeterred]

40. People who won't have even have sex with each other shouldn't procreate.

It ought to be a law.

[earth mom]

42. Wow, I can't believe she admitted that publicly. She could give a damn how much that will hurt

those kids knowing that their biological mom doesn't want them-ever. :wow:

p.s. I swore to myself that I would stop reading and posting in these damn MJ threads, but it's like a train wreck I can't stop watching! :hide:

[davidpdx]

47. I know, the whole thing is pretty f'd up

To say they aren't your you don't want them. Christ, are we talking about something that is disposible? They are kids.

I just hope whatever career choice they make, it has nothing to do with a pubic career like their father.

[KittyWampus]

59. You know, it goes with the territory of surrogate motherhood and sperm donation.

These won't be the first kids to find out their biological progenitors aren't interested in them. Or the last.

And I know what you mean about train wreck.

[orleans]

46. i'm wondering who the sperm donor was--someone on the teevee

said he might come forward, implying they didn't know one way or the other--just that the entire situation is a big damn mess.

my heart goes out to those kids--

[shanti]

71. all i heard

was that michael picked him, and that he was jewish.

[Catherine Vincent]

74. I know I shouldn't care but I think it's someone in show business

I'd like to know who it is although it's none of my business. :)

[shanti]

81. well, they outed the father!

he's arnold klein, and he was MJ's dermatologist.

[marimour]

80. sperm donors have no rights

I'm sure there was an agreement signed. If Michael wants them with his mother then I think they should go with her. But I would prefer Janet.

[Raineyb]

50. Duh!

If she wanted them she wouldn't have sold them in the first place.

:shrug:

I don't see how this is news or a surprise.

[Vinca]

54. I've avoided commenting on other MJ threads until this one.

Those poor kids - I feel so sorry for them. What a screwy life they've been born into and now they're rejected and it's all over the news. It's very sad.

[blueamy66]

63. Wasn't MJ in debt to the tune of over $400M?

What money is left for these kids? The Beatles stuff?

[LisaL]

85. He might be making more money dead than he was alive.

Hell Elvis is still making money.

[WI_DEM]

66. I think she only married him to give him children and then that was it, per agreement.

[bbking]

68. They belong to the Jackson family now.

No doubt, Jackson haters will continue to disparage the family !

http://surftofind.com/joejackson