I support the ousting of the dictatorial Honduran ex-President

[Simplyaverage]

Imagine for a second that our Supreme Court reached a decision, and the President ignored it.
(The Honduran Supreme Court ruled recently that the referendum set to occur in a few days was unconstitutional, yet the President went ahead with it).

What would we think?

Imagine if our congress had also declared unconstitutional the same thing the SC declared unconstitutional (this is what happened in Honduras). What would we think about the President if he ignored this ruling as well? Wouldn't we deem him/her a threat to the United States of America?

What if our Congress ruled that another President must be appointed? Would we fight that?

Did the Honduran President think there was one branch on the Honduran government?

[Oregone]

1. I support staying the fuck outta it

But, I understand your sentiment. Some people are overlooking this bit

[timeforpeace]

5. No, they are selectively reporting the "facts". Makes a better narrative.

But notwithstanding the OP's insightful "rest of the story", it's somewhat ridiculous for the US to tip-toe around N Korea and Iran, but get ready to do some serious butt kicking with little Honduras just because of ideological sympathy with the ousted asshole. Strange times.

[depakid]

2. Frankly, I doubt many here have enough knowlege to form an accurate opinion yet

I know I've got nowhere near enough credible information for a responsible take.

[Oregone]

6. But everyone is still on a high fomr their Twitter Revolution

Which they still didn't know enough about

[depakid]

11. Twitter is the ultimate application for going off half cocked

Some analysis is beginning to come in, but unless one has a lot of personal knowledge and history with the country and what's really going on- then even that's still a bit sketchy.

[EFerrari]

14. Yeah. It was an attempted right wing military coup.

The president and his party were trying to get a vote on a referendum and the generals blocked him. They also killed a leading lefty politician that was looking to succeed him.

The military leadership in Honduras have been assholes as long as we have been feeding them.

[depakid]

17. It's also beginning to look like this might be the sort of move that could backfire big time

Rare Hemisphere Unity in Assailing Honduran Coup

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/29/world/americas/29venez.html

[EFerrari]

18. They're toast, I think. n/t

[depakid]

20. Kinda tough when you manage to piss pretty much everyone off

It's be interesting to see how the dynamics unfold.

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[billyoc]

4. Well, every country on earth so far disagrees.

[Joanne98]

7. It was a non-binding referendum. Why not let the people decide?

Because right-wingers hate democracy.

[roamer65]

8. I don't support military coups...ever.

The Honduran people should decide if this guy stays in office, not the Honduran military.

Hopefully Chavez will provide money to an insurgency.

[SharonAnn]

9. Even after 1982 when the military "left power", they've had control of things.

[roamer65]

13. Any responses from Presidents Ortega and Chavez yet?

[nosmokes]

10. RW logic is so very twisted. Elected Latin American leaders are dictators but

fascist military coups overthrowing a democratically elected government is OK(good for bidness donchaknow).

[EFerrari]

12. LOL

[Cerridwen]

15. "Zelaya must be President until his mandate expired..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=3943244#3943257

Simplyaverage (14 posts) Sun Jun-28-09 03:23 PM
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4. Zelaya must be President until his mandate expired

That's how it works in a democracy.

Changed your mind? Interesting turn you took.

Er, welcome to DU. Did you know we have a search feature?

BTW, the Honduran Supreme Court ruled against the non-binding referendum being held at the same time as the national election in November. The shorthand for that in the corporate media is that their Supreme Court ruled the referendum unconstitutional.

And, OMFG, I agree with cali?!!!! Someone just shoot me now! Hi, cali. :hi:

[armyowalgreens]

16. Military coups usually put an even more ruthless dictator in power...

[EFerrari]

19. President Zelaya was not a dictator but a popularly elected president.

Right wing coups usually take out popular presidents, not dictators, or the people would just do it themselves.

[armyowalgreens]

24. That's what I'm saying. This entire situation is very bad.

[Cerridwen]

21. Awwwwww. OP "ousted"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=242321

[EFerrari]

22. Wow.

[Cerridwen]

23. I didn't do it. Honest.

LOL

:hi:

[EFerrari]

25. Is the top mod Miss Cleo?!

So fast!

:hi:

[Cerridwen]

26. The ways of the mods, they are mysterious.

*snortkle* <----that's a snort with a chuckle

[happyslug]

27. That is what Chief Justice Taney did to Lincoln during the Civil War, Lincoln Ignored him

And it should be noted, Lincoln stayed in office and is believed by some historians to have ordered Taney's arrest. The order was NOT carried out, and no record of it survives, but there is some evidence that it COULD have occurred, i.e. the arrest of Taney. The Order of Taney that the suspension of Habeas Corpus by Lincoln was clearly issued, the only question is if Lincoln ordered Taney's arrest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_parte_Merryman
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/vance4.html
http://www.tourolaw.edu/Patch/Merryman/
http://www.etymonline.com/cw/habeas.htm

http://www.diesel-ebooks.com/cgi-bin/item/parent-9780743250320/Lincoln-and-Chief-Justice-Taney-Slavery-Secession-and-the-President%27s-War-Powers-eBook.html

http://www.abanet.org/publiced/lawday/2009/merryman_lawday.pdf

http://books.google.com/books?id=E0HS12DV98UC&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=Taney+and+Lincoln&source=bl&ots=X5iCR1qu6S&sig=yJSPP7T6FA4eToG0xqswX45k8qA&hl=en&ei=wilISpT5G6Cytwed_dXGBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7

http://books.google.com/books?id=YbydkbjlvgUC&pg=PA181&lpg=PA181&dq=ex+parte+merryman+1861&source=bl&ots=PbtR_8z9V-&sig=c97q5Jx8S3xSE2vVGh8kFWKI57s&hl=en&ei=mytIStZ8kMO3B8DGtYwK&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8