Debbie Rowe SOLD her kids to MJ, now she wants them back?

[Philosoraptor]

I know it's old news, but relevant now. I've read that the biological mother of Jacko's kids, now wants custody of them. She's a freaky as MJ was, if not freakier. Has there ever been a case of a mother SELLING her children? Why was this ever allowed or considered acceptable behavior in our society?

She SOLD her kids for money. Now she wants custody, why? Simple, she wants MORE MONEY, to keep her horse ranch going. She SOLD her children to the highest bidder, now she wants the money that those children will generate, and their trust fund and all future monies. What a sick, materialistic bitch.

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272626707.shtml

The mother of Michael Jackson's two children is reportedly poised to take full control of them in the wake of the superstar's death. Debbie Rowe was understood to have given up her parental rights to Paris and Michael Joseph Jr. after a custody battle in 2005, saying the music legend was a great father.

Michael Jackson's Children - Custody for Debbie Rowe, Court Battle? (
But it's now emerged that a technicality during the court proceedings meant that she never officially handed over those rights. It comes despite widespread speculation that Jackson's mother Katherine would take custody of the pair. According to TMZ.com, retired Judge Stephen Lachs, who presided over the hearing, had initially ruled that Rowe's rights were terminated. However, he later reversed this decision because the American nurse had not undergone a parental fitness investigation.

Lance Spiegel, the lawyer who represented Jackson, told the website that legally, the Department of Children and Family Services must conduct such an inquiry before a person can have their parental rights terminated. It means that under California law, Rowe is now presumed to be the person who will get custody of Michael Jnr, 12 and Paris, 11. The only way she can be denied custody is if a court determines that this would be "detrimental to the children".

[walkaway]

1. And what do you think the rest of his family wants with them?

The best thing for these kids is to grow up as fast as they can and change their names.

[FarPoint]

7. Michael learned from his family and peer group of handlers

that you buy everything......So, you see, he is a product of his environment. How else was Michael to behave? He had no real developmental life ever!...Micheal, he was a product, not a child in the Jackson Family. Michael was never raised by his family................only used. I find the Jackson Family completely abusive and obnoxious.

[Mnemosyne]

27. And another amen. n/t

[blueamy66]

9. Amen

You nailed it.

[elleng]

2. 'Has there ever been a case of a mother SELLING her children?'

I suspect that many would argue that 'typical' custody battles amount to something similar.

[Ikonoklast]

33. Bargaining chips used for economic gain.

Not every parent is a saint.

And when the stakes are high, the greed becomes too much for some to handle.

[CoffeeCat]

3. This is a devastating situation...

...no matter what happens.

In my opinion, the Jackson family--headed by brutal abuser Joe Jackson, would be one of the worst
places for a child to grow up.

Aren't most of the Jackson children screwed up enough? LaToya alleged that Joe sexually abused her
and the eldest daughter. Michael told Oprah during an interview that his father made him so nervous
that he would get stomach aches and vomit in his presence. The other brothers have alleged abuse too,
but their language is parsed--because this family is still a collection of children protecting the head
abuser--Joe Jackson.

No way should Joe and his wife have custody of these children. Do we want more dysfunctional "stars"
churned out?

As far as the mother of these children...she did fight for custody. This was a "custody battle". I don't
think we know the entire story regarding her. Really, she is the only hope for these children.

Let's hope that someone steps up to the plate and helps these children.

[NC_Nurse]

5. Exactly.

[KharmaTrain]

11. This Is Sure To Be Part Of Probate...

Firstly, Joe is an old man now. Yes, he's still the "patriarch", but closing in on 80, doubtful he will be around to see these kids graduate high school yet have a real active role in their lives.

Next, this will be a matter a judge familiar with all parties will decide. If Rowe, who does have parental rights ("selling" is akin to slavery) on her children, but it's the judge who will decide the best environment for these kids to grow up in and who will look out for their best interests.

None of us know the real situation of these children...and a good thing. May it stay that way.

[bettyellen]

16. she actually signed them over for $$ two times. the second being during his trial....

although I read what she signed is illegal, she was essentially a paid womb. but yeah, compared to hos parents, she maybe the best place for them.

[NC_Nurse]

4. Unless you know her personally, I don't think it's fair to judge her. Maybe she

gave up the custody battle against a man with extremely deep pockets for their sake. If she knew he was a good father and
she didn't want to continue to put them through a court fight for YEARS. Maybe she wasn't worried about them then, but is now that she knows his family might get them and their track record of child abuse. Who knows?

Or she could just be into the money. I'm not claiming to know for sure. I bet that a lot of leeches will be trying to get their hands on those kids. At least she's the biological mother, I suppose that's something.

[Blue Diadem]

6. I don't think the kids should be split up.

Those children lost the only parent they have known and now if Ms. Rowe should gain custody of her two, where will that leave the 3rd child?

While I'm not exactly crazy about the Grandparents raising the kids, it would keep the children together and with familiar family members.

[DesertRat]

10. I agree

My heart goes out to these three children.

[rocktivity]

8. Rowe was a SURROGATE mother

who just happened to have married the father.

:headbang:
rocktivity

[Dr.Phool]

15. And MJ was a surrogate father.

A woman on Countdown said that MJ wasn't biologically connected to any of the kids either. She said that everyone knew that he chose the sperm donor, and it could possibly happen that the donor could come forward, say those are my kids, check my DNA.

This is going to get crazier than Hulk Hogan's divorce. It's a good thing that it's not in Florida. Judge Greer would probably get saddled with that one too. Shiavo, Hogan...Jackson.

[bettyellen]

18. he was a father in every way, good or bad he had raised the kids for their whole lives

has a sperm donor evr been given custody? that's a new one on me.

[LisaL]

20. But if Debbie is their biological mother she will have preference

over anyone else.

[bettyellen]

30. well it helps that they married and pretended it wasn;t all about $$ + the two times she sold them

it wasn;t ever really legal; to do. i agree that all works in her favor.
i just think she's prett much an unknown entity, except for the fact that she sold them= twice at that- there's not a lot to know.
very odd situation, i don;t think they know their uncles and grandkids too well either. hopefully they will keep the same nanny at least.

[cornermouse]

12. Better Rowe than Joe.

[Heidi]

13. Her parental rights were never legally terminated, despite her arrangements with MJ.

During the couple's 1999 divorce, Rowe attempted to relinquish her parental rights to 12 year old Paris and 11 year old Michael Jr., and the judge who presided over the custody hearing initially ruled her rights were terminated.

The judge later reversed that decision, however.

Former Jackson attorney Lance Speigel says the ruling was reversed because the Department of Children and Family services never conducted a parental fitness investigation of Rowe. The law requires that such an investigation happen before parental rights can legally be terminated.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ktla-jackson-children-custody,0,3514225.story

[Canuckistanian]

14. So are his estate lawyers going to fight to keep the kids?

It's illegal to own or sell a human being, so if she wants to claim the kids, a court can't refuse on the grounds she was paid.

[LisaL]

17. So the grandparents should raised them?

Hello? They raised Michael Jackson and I don't think he turned out a happy well adjusted adult. Everything else aside, their age alone should be considered as to whether they could possibly be raising young children.

[LibDemAlways]

19. There are current precedents for kids being

cash cows. Look at kids on "reality" shows like Jon and Kate Plus 8. Pimped out for the parents' enrichment.

I hope the judge assigned to sort out the Jackson custody case truly does have the children's best interest at heart. They deserve some shot at a "normal" life. Ironic that while Jackson frequently bemoaned his own lack of a decent childhood, he occasionally paraded his own kids around with masks and veils and kept them, the last few years at least, hoping from country to country like nomads.

[Heidi]

21. The children's godfather, British osteopathic surgeon Mark Lester,

has offered to care for the children.

Mr Lester, 50, from Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, has not yet been told who would care for the children but said he will be "there for them".

"They're the most fabulous kids and I will do anything. I'm here for them 24/7, so whatever they need, they've got from me.

"Michael was one of the best. He made me ashamed, he was such a good father," he said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/5656465/Michael-Jackson-British-godfather-vows-to-be-there-for-stars-children.html

[LisaL]

22. I have no doubt a lot of people will offer to care for the children.

[Heidi]

23. I agree. There is much to be gained in terms of child support.

However, Michael Jackson's will apparently indicates that he wanted his mother to raise his kids in the event of his demise; his mom is 79 years old, so it would seem logical that other provisions should have been made.

[shadowknows69]

24. And Michael Jackson hired a woman to have prop kids for him

I'd say the asshole scale is pretty balanced on this one.

[Heidi]

25. You don't believe he loved his children?

:shrug:

[shadowknows69]

28. I don't believe buying a family who will later have to deal with abandonment issues

Shows a great love of children no. At the very least it shows a frighteningly callous and shallow lack of forethought for the repurcussions in the child's life.

[bettyellen]

31. oh come on, look around your neighborhood. lots of people suck at parenting

lots of people do it when they don;t actually want the kids at all. lots of people have kids in their late forties and fiftis now,
no one blinks an eye.

[Heidi]

34. I was adopted by affluent parents. Do you think they "bought" me?

Do you automatically assume that they're "frighteningly callous and shallow"?

Before you answer, please consider that Michael Jackson's children could very well be adjudicated to spend the remainder of their childhoods living under the same circumstances that I spent the first six years of my life before being "bought" by an affluent couple.

[shadowknows69]

35. I'm adopted too so, sorry, that trump card doesn't work.

[Heidi]

37. I respectfully asked you some questions. Are you reluctant to answer them?

I like you a lot, but you threw out an "eat the rich-esque" reply and I'm only asking you to justify what you believe. It's one thing to believe something, but an answer to, "On what basis do you believe it" is imminently more convincing than what you offered. We all "believe" stuff. But on what basis do we believe it?

[shadowknows69]

39. I promise I'll answer you more in depth, even in a pm maybe but I have company coming in minutes

[Heidi]

40. As I said, I like you a lot,

and my PM inbox is always open to you. :hug:

[Philosoraptor]

26. I think he thought of them as exotic pets

[shadowknows69]

29. When a chimp just won't cut it anymore.

[Heidi]

38. On what basis do you believe that?

:hi:

[Philosoraptor]

32. Debbie Rowe, is not my wife, she's just a girl who wants to give my kids a good life..

...the kids are not my blood...

[TahitiNut]

36. Let's just be glad Todd & Sarah Palin aren't seeking custody.

Yet.

:shrug:

[woo me with science]

41. Time for the Obamas to step up!

j/k but what's a few more rock stars in the White House? :headbang: :fistbump:

[The Straight Story]

42. Her children, her choice (and is selling aka adoption?)

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