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ccharles000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 02:42 AM Original message |
South African rapist: 'Forgive me' |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 02:43 AM Response to Original message |
1. Get ready. The DU circus of hate and damnation is about to storm this place... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 02:46 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I know you're not suggesting that rape is minor |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 02:52 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. What I am suggesting is that a hateful thirst for vengeance flies in the face of true justice... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 03:18 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. good for him for understanding that what he did is |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 03:24 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Excellent. But that's not necessarily the purpose of the BBC story... |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 03:23 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Some things cannot be forgiven. F-him. I hope his soul rots with remorse |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 03:24 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Example 1 |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 03:27 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. I'd cut the self-righteous, superior crap here. |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 03:34 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. So you invoke silence upon me because I have not been raped? |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:00 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Redemption is fine but it's not punishment. |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:02 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. So is the point of prison punishment or rehabilitation? vengeance or justice? |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:09 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. How about he spends his entire life working 3 jobs |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:13 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Forgive me if I have compassion for both. |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:15 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I forgive you. It's not like you traumatised someone for life or killed them |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:16 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. You don't actually know who I am or what I've done. |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:27 AM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Ah you are young aren't you? |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:33 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. You don't know what has happened to the ones I love. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:22 AM Response to Reply #18 |
32. You're very young and sheltered. |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:30 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. What is your definition of justice? |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:36 AM Response to Reply #18 |
66. "So is the point of prison punishment or rehabilitation?" |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:05 AM Response to Reply #10 |
20. oh for the love of reason. I did not invoke silence on you. I suggested |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:09 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I'm being self-righteous because I think I'm right? Does that mean you are self-righteous? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:13 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. way to avoid standing up and admitting that you made |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:14 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. ahhh I see. That is what you have been complaining about this entire time? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:21 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. No, you don't see. But then again, you're nineteen. I don't expect you to. |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:25 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. My perspective is different, but not necessarily a bad one. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:10 AM Response to Reply #30 |
47. All those extra years you have on him haven't helped you. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 05:55 AM Response to Reply #47 |
95. that's merely your opinion. and I feel much the same way about you, forkboy |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-29-09 05:30 AM Response to Reply #95 |
121. The difference is I don't start a thread on every fart of a thought that passes through my head. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:11 AM Response to Reply #8 |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 03:32 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Forgiveness isn't owed anyone. Not having to be raped is owed everyone |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 03:34 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Vengeance is anything but justice. So you admit that you care little about justice? |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 03:53 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. I didn't say anything about justice. Justice is for people |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 03:57 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Wy are rapists and murderers automatically outside the realm of humanity? |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:01 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Because they're monsters. You can argue all day that they look and smell like humans |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:05 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. So are you saying that a holocaust victims forgiveness of SS guards isn't real forgiveness? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:19 AM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Where are your examples of Holocaust victims forgiving SS guar |
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ccharles000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:22 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. .... |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:23 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Well I watched a documentary in my ethics class about Eva Kor... |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 08:40 AM Response to Reply #33 |
58. I'm offering someone else's mind on this |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #58 |
68. hmm sounds interesting. Thanks for the info. |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #33 |
111. Of course there is. |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 08:55 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. False. Redemption can come from simply changing ones life for the better. |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 08:59 PM Response to Reply #112 |
115. Ha- and who decides when redemption has been earnede? Th abuser? |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 09:03 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. That is something that would make a good philosophical debate... |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:47 AM Response to Reply #14 |
40. This is why: |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 05:02 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. I will not speak on what that woman lost... |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 06:28 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Absolutely |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 06:53 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. "Has forgiveness without punishment lowered the crime rate anywhere...?" |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:44 AM Response to Reply #43 |
53. I agree with rehabilitation- to a point |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #53 |
69. No one "earns" the right to be unsympathetic. |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 08:41 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. Oh yes we do |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #77 |
85. +1. My close friend, who is physically disabled, was raped 3 months ago and there is no... |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 05:40 AM Response to Reply #77 |
91. I am trying not to come across as insensitive... |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 06:23 AM Response to Reply #91 |
97. I might say the same |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 06:35 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. I'm sorry if I said anything that hurt you |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 07:10 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. self-delete |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 07:11 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. S'ok. Don't worry about it. Be well. n/t |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 09:15 PM Response to Reply #91 |
117. I would say her judgement is colored by experience, not clouded by it. |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. I already apologized on the offensive nature of my post... |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. I see. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:27 PM Response to Reply #43 |
84. Some criminals cannot be redeemed and rehabillitated. |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 05:49 AM Response to Reply #84 |
93. That is a load of shit... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #93 |
103. I don't think they are mentally ill, I think they are irredeemably EVIL |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 08:58 PM Response to Reply #103 |
114. "Evil" is nothing more than a word that people like you and GW Bush use |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:23 PM Response to Reply #41 |
83. You must have had a sheltered childhood to have such naive views. |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 05:44 AM Response to Reply #83 |
92. Please, spare me the BS... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #92 |
104. I am so quick to say they are beyond redemption because of my own experiences. |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #104 |
113. I really wish people would stop labeling people as "evil"... |
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mamaleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
109. Exactly. Too many people think forgiveness requests MUST be honored |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 03:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. +1 |
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ccharles000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:00 AM Response to Reply #3 |
16. I agree |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #3 |
78. "If a man has truly changed..." |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 05:54 AM Response to Reply #78 |
94. So what you are saying is...once a criminal, always a criminal. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #94 |
101. No, you are changing the subject. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:09 AM Response to Reply #2 |
46. He might be. Not the best of parallels, but... |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
45. TAKE A FRIGGING GUESS AS TO WHY. |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:12 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Are you accusing me of supporting rape? |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:22 AM Response to Reply #45 |
52. I'll be on later. I'm going to bed. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:10 AM Response to Reply #1 |
48. Rape does that. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
82. Rapists deseve as much hate and damnation possible. |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 05:58 AM Response to Reply #82 |
96. "If it was up to me they would all be given a brutally painful execution." |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #96 |
106. Brutally raping a 20yo physically disabled woman makes you forfeit your right to be treated decently |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:03 AM Response to Original message |
19. Redemption is all well and good but he still deserves to be punished. |
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Curtland1015 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:25 AM Response to Reply #19 |
35. But the woman raped didn't demand punishment, she forgave him. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:31 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. The laws that the state passes aren't just for one person. |
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Kurska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:53 AM Response to Reply #38 |
55. It is not about what is right for the victim to some people. |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 01:13 AM Response to Reply #35 |
90. Battered women do that too |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:07 AM Response to Original message |
44. Rape is one of the most anti-society things one can do. Utterly disrepsectful and it's scarring. |
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Kurska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:47 AM Response to Original message |
54. Man commits a terrible crime and devotes the rest of his life to trying to make up for it. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:57 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Maybe half the forum understands that it's still about HIM |
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Kurska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 08:25 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. So feeling guilt is now apparently a selfish emotion? |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. He can feel anything about it that he likes, for all I care. |
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Kurska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:23 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Asking for forgiveness is "Imposing his emotional needs". |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:31 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Deciding to Insert yourself back into your rape victim's life |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #62 |
102. This isn't "something wrong." He didn't steal a cookie. |
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mamaleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #62 |
110. I think so in some cases. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. her forgiving is NOT about him. her forgiving is all about her. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:35 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. She's no longer the victim? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:41 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. whatever/however she handles it, is just right for her, and hers to do. and concept of forgiveness |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:51 PM Response to Reply #56 |
73. + 1 |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #56 |
79. EXACTLY!!! nt |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
59. we insist on painting the rapist as someone evil, demented, sick.... they aren't (not all) |
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Kurska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Amazing post, You hit the nail right on the head. n/t |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. Excellent post. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. no, they are not just like me. maybe you, but not me. lol. i am not gonna own it |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. + 1 |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
74. Taking into account his age, and shitty environment, I still say: fuck you, rapist. |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
75. The rapist should become a Christian. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. Christ died for our sins |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. Same difference. |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
76. I forgive you, Dumisami..... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
81. I don't forgive monsters. My friend's rapist should be glad he's in jail because if I ever get my... |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #81 |
105. Ah, tough talkin' keyboard commandos. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 08:40 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. Go fuck yourself! |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-29-09 03:24 AM Response to Reply #105 |
120. Don't be too sure about that... |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
87. Good |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 12:25 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. right on.... n/t |
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Kievan Rus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 12:52 AM Response to Original message |
89. He should get a dry sponge electrocution like in the Green Mile |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #89 |
107. +1 |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-29-09 05:46 AM Response to Reply #89 |
122. Yeah, up with torture!!! |
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