"You get to keep your own doctor" , and other myths

[SoCalDem]

Right NOW, if your employer changes "plans", you don;t get to keep your doctor. We have pacificare, and when the company changed a few years back, we had Kaiser, so we HAD to change doctors, ...or self-insure.

Right NOW, if you are laid off and you cannot afford COBRA, you have to "change doctors", unless the doctor will see you for free

There is SO much apple-orange stuff clinging to the whole health care issue, it's making my head explode.

I can see these learned people deliberately obfuscating the debate, and adding goofy things into it...like co-ops.

They are TRYING to kill it.

It's so simple..

We want health CARE..not health INSURANCE.. Insurance & HMOs are what's RUINED the whole thing.

we want what Canada has..what France has..what the UK has, what Japan has, what S.Korea has, what Switzerland has, what Denmark has, etc.

we know it will cost money.. we are willing to pay what it costs...even if it means we have to quit starting wars:)

[DesertFlower]

1. K&R

[elocs]

2. I had the same doctor for 30 years and had to find a new one when my employer switched plans.

This was a doctor who once called me at home on a Sunday morning when he noticed my bp was high when I had it checked on Friday. So I had insurance, but didn't get to keep my doctor. Moot point now since he is retired.

[fasttense]

3. Like that myth "Government will get between you and your doctor."

Like it is ok for insurance companies, looking to make every last penny from you, to get between you and your doctor. It's ok for insurance company to stop you from visiting your doctor all together by denying you coverage.

I'd rather have government between me and my doctor. At least I know they wont be looking to cut corners and get every last penny from me. If the government acted that way, we would vote them out of office. Oh wait we did.

[Norrin Radd]

4. People who hate government oh so much, such as republicans,

shouldn't hold positions in government.

[SoCalDem]

5. They are SO afraid of "gubbmint-run-insurance", yet how many of them

cash that SS check, use that medicare, and apply for benefits from the Federal Flood Insurance every few years?..and then the ones in harm's way from hurricanes, tornados, fires, quakes, etc. are never very timid when they want federal dollars to rebuild ...

[Norrin Radd]

6. The hypocrisy is indeed shameless and stupefying, but not surprising.

[midnight]

7. Listening to President Obama's healthcare discussion last night was not easy. I had to

leave the room several times, but what I did hear was not what was good for the consumer. There was too much focus on rationing. There were too many people and not enough doctors. There were elderly sucking up the limited resources, and they should just take a pain pill and ..... The discussion involved an insurance man who was praised by the president. More doctors than nurses chiming in. This discussion was skewed into a fear feast. We have trillions of dollars to war around, but trillions of dollars to provide "dignity" to those who are not trust fund babies, is well too expensive. Come on America let's just make it happen. The change we need. No more talking. Just do it.

[Lifelong Protester]

10. and sure as hell shouldn't get government paid for health plans

This was to go under the thread about those repubs who hate government so much should not be in it...

[Junkdrawer]

8. I don't get heath care because I Support the Troops...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg76Df0oSbM

[Pacifist Patriot]

9. Error: You've already recommended that thread.

[drmeow]

11. "we want what Denmark has,

what Iraq had under Saddam Hussein