I'm done with Sanford. We know the story now. Let it go.

[Cleita]

He's the new missing white girl, except he's a guy. Now it's SC problem. We have other things to worry about.

DONE! :nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke:

[Tangerine LaBamba]

1. HAHAHAHAHAHHA!

You heard it, folks.

Mother Superior has spoken.

Now, KNEEL!

[Cleita]

4. A genuflect will be sufficient.

Now go help out some homeless people.

[Trajan]

17. Cmon ...

You say that, in an internet forum, sitting on yer arse ....

Oh ... you might be floating in air instead ... and glowing ...

Sheeesh ... I already got a Momma .... And God already has the job ...

[Cleita]

26. Oh well, you can stand. n/t

[WeDidIt]

90. +1

[Bucky]

104. Your post fills my head with naughty thoughts. Damn you.

and thank you.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

107. Careful.................

[NYC_SKP]

2. Iran. Healthcare. Energy. Education. Economy.

You are correct, Cleita.

It was fun while it's lasted, now let's stop our gravedancing and keep this one handy for the next time one of ours fucks up.

Because, sad to say, it could happen.

:nuke:

[Cleita]

16. Many of ours have, but they have also been used as distraction stories.

I think perhaps the story should be pursued, but in the TABLOIDS, or in the Lounge, not where we are trying to do serious news.

[MadMaddie]

3. Yea.....I don't think I am done yet

Maybe at the end of the year....after all the Repugs are still talking about Clinton getting a blow job.....just sayin...

[rwheeler31]

5. How can you be right and wrong?

[havocmom]

6. Oh come on. A little longer? It's gotta be hell for the Family Values Hypocrites

Poor schmucks, wondering, wondering:
Did I cover my tracks? Did someone track my cell phone? Could some newspaper be sitting on evidence, waiting to spring? Is my wife gonna put ground glass in my taters? Is my assistant's birth control reliable? Am I on any airport security video? Has Larry Flynt written a check to an informant who provided evidence on ME?

It's not about Sanford. It's about the lot of them. And a lot of them SHOULD be sweating for a spell.

[Cleita]

58. There is some satisfaction in it, but now it's in overdrive.

We can't be distracted from what really is important.

[saltpoint]

7. It ain't done until Fate says it's done and so far Fate ain't said nothin'.

If you don't care for the Sanford story, go bowling.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

18. Can you guess

how I read that last word of yours?

[saltpoint]

19. No sex jokes, now, dammit. I was trying to start a class war!

[Tangerine LaBamba]

35. Then suggest

badminton.

Or tennis.

Or pocket billiards.

Wait.

That last one might be dirty, right?

[saltpoint]

43. Or even LaCrosse. In Spanish.

[NWHarkness]

8. Yeah, let's play nice with the GOP, that always works. n/t

[Cleita]

10. It's not about that. It's about using up space and energy about something

that is dead. Obama had a great hour long discussion on health care tonight on ABC and nobody is talking about it.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

20. And no one will read about it

later. Ever.

Tell you what - you're not interested in Sanford, don't read about him.........................

[Cleita]

24. You are right because it won't even be written except maybe a few lines. n/t

[Tangerine LaBamba]

28. Yeah, sure .............

http://tinyurl.com/kjcq3m

[Cleita]

32. Nice. I hope it does get mentioned above the Sanford story, I really do. n/t

[Greyhound]

9. It's a "Real Housewives" nation and they will have their circuses.

Perhaps we could petition for a "Distraction Du Jour" forum?

[Tangerine LaBamba]

21. Or,

you can simply hide the offending threads.

See, technology is your friend.

Unless that doesn't meet your impotent control needs and you are compelled to keep bitching about people enjoying something that doesn't meet your approval....................

[Greyhound]

55. We've tried numerous times to get an option to hide multiple threads to no avail,

and the "normals" can post far more quickly than we can hide them.

BTW, I developed my fair share of the technology that you use here and IRL, so you can stuff your imagined superiority in the most uncomfortable place you can think of.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

60. So, if you're such an expert,

why can't you hide them?

I can put you on Ignore, if I want to, and thank you for coming up with that particular bit of brilliance.......................

[eleny]

11. It's not over yet

I want to know if tax money paid for his trip. And if he'll resign.

It's not over by a long shot. This story is about hypocrisy. The kind of people who influenced public policy and ran the country into the ground while polishing their halos and porking their cuties on the side.

But feel free to do as you wish. I certainly am.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

23. Iceberg.........

That's what this story is.

Right now, I'm wondering if we'll get a resignation tomorrow.

Wouldn't surprise me................

[Raine]

12. It aint over till it's over

and it aint over yet! :evilgrin:

[lumberjack_jeff]

13. I suppose. I've had enough of a big belly laugh at his expense.

Bring on the next spectacle!

[Cleita]

66. I'm sure there will be one or two more before he fades away.n/t

[saltpoint]

14. And in any case, Sanford himself set this story up. He laid it out like

a smorgasboard for the media and the pundits and everyone else.

The wound of it isn't over for his wife or his kids.

And the far-right fundies have one more thing to weigh before they invoke the Bible to condemn any progressive initiative.

[havocmom]

87. The Fundy Brothers & Sisters of Sanctimonious Control Freaks have been quiet lately

Havocdad commented on the fact that we have not heard much of anything from the media whore fundy leaders of late. Says they seem to have gone to ground in fear of SOMETHING the past several weeks.:evilgrin:

Between one of OR's adherents murdering a much maligned (by them) doctor and the bouquet of Family Values spoutin, winger endorsed GOP pols who have had to fess up their laundry lists of sins, the 'spiritual leaders' from the fundy pews seem to be scurrying for cover. No bully pulpit rhetoric from them coming down hard on the hypocrisy of the pols they have supported. Not so much as a comment about the weather.

Havocdad has a good point. We wonder if Larry Flynt placing a bounty on private sinners who dare to publicly pontificate on how everybody else has to behave to be tight with their version of God. We wonder if Larry Flynt placing bounties on the hypocrites may be why some pols are fessing up and confessing. In a bad economy, there has to be more bounty hunters than usual. Must be tough to live in fear of being caught with yer pants down when you have build a career on telling others to keep theirs buttoned up.

No, this ain't over by a long shot, cuz it's not about Sanford. It's about an agenda by people who want us to do as they say, not as they do while they also insist on denying rights of a chunk of the population that never did any harm.

[BlooInBloo]

15. TPM's unanswered questions...

"Here are just a few of the more obvious ones:

1) What prompted Sanford to come clean? If he hadn't been caught at the airport by that reporter for the State, would he have stuck to the Appalachian story?

2) Speaking of which, did he voluntarily tell the State's reporter that he had been in Argentina? Or did she find out by looking at his luggage tag, or some other way? And what about that report that the paper had the goods on the guv already, and used this trip to nail him?

3) Why did it take a six-day trip to break off the affair? Not to sound cold, but couldn't a difficult phone call -- or at least a one day trip for a face-to-face conversation -- have done the job?

4) If the trip really was just to break off the affair, and Sanford's wife had found out about it five months ago, as the governor suggested, why couldn't he tell her where he'd gone?

5) It looks like Sanford has in the past been to Argentina on the taxpayers' dime. Did he see his girlfriend on any of those trips?"

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/sanford_press_conference_leaves_unanswered_questio.php?ref=fpa



Answer them all adequately, and give me an extra day to have fun with it, and I'm all good.

[Cleita]

22. I love gossip as much as anyone, especially when it's one of them.

However, it's distracting discourse away from what we are trying to accomplish. It was on KO tonight and Rachel Maddow and the important things weren't really covered very much like some really brutal activities in Iran. This is tabloid stuff and of course something South Carolina needs to deal with. The problem for me was that Obama spent an hour talking about our health care problems, coast to coast, on broadcast TV and there were hardly any threads on it here. There won't be anything in the newspapers either because this scandal will be what they go with.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

29. How did it thwart

whatever it is you're trying to accomplish?

You can hide threads here, so what exactly are you lamenting?

You really have a totally uninformed notion of what the papers are carrying, even now. Check out HuffPost, for openers, and then maybe a few others?

I love people who insist on whining that others aren't playing the game as they demand it be played.

Take your toys and go home if you're not happy playing here.

Me, I'm playing .....................

[Cleita]

38. Please do not insult me calling me uninformed, deformed, lamenting, whining.

They are called ad hominem attacks. Try reading the rules. btw I will not alert on you. I promise. But if someone does you will know why.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

41. That's funny...........

That's very funny.......................

[Cleita]

59. Glad you enjoy my comedy.

:rofl:

[Tangerine LaBamba]

61. It's not comedy,

but it's far too late to clarify for you ..............

[Cleita]

63. You said it was. You can't have it both ways. n/t

[Tangerine LaBamba]

67. No, hon -

you said "comedy".

Pity..................

[BlooInBloo]

44. I count 11 stories on Iran on the HuffPo front page right this second.

[Cleita]

48. Good, and that's the HuffPo. I want you to go talk to the idiots I have to talk

to every day and find out that they heard about something or read something. I know they will be experts on South Carolina and the Governor and his problems, but they won't know anything else.

[BlooInBloo]

51. 34 On Andrew Sullivan's front page.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

62. Gee, "idiots" -

sounds like they're all from DU, eh?

[Cleita]

64. What are you drinking or smoking? You have stopped making any sense.

You just feel like fighting with someone and I guess I'm handy enough for you because we disagreed about something at one time (it's known as democracy). I never accused anyone at DU of being an idiot. I specifically said I talked to idiots, a rather hard thing to do at DU when we are texting.

[havocmom]

88. So, you're blaming the kids at DU for the idiots in your real life?

Hmm, we are mighty and all that, but we evilDUers can't fix your circle of friends and acquaintances for you.

[Sultana]

25. The same can be said about Iran

*whistles innocently*

[saltpoint]

27. It won't be over until Sanford's wife grants an interview on Oprah or one

of the other talk shows.

And until we learn if this marriage can be salvaged from the wreckage or if the wife takes the kids and moves to Connecticut.

And until we find out how much public cash was at work in the governor's travel itineraries to Buenos Aires.

And until Rick Warren flies in to offer spiritual guidance for the first family of South Carolina.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

33. And The View,

collectively, offer to mediate for the unhappy couple.

Beautiful, pal. That Rick Warren idea is brilliant.

The GOPigs are suddenly the gift that can't stop giving, and I am not one to look a gift horse in the mouth. Not this time. No way................

[saltpoint]

42. Rick Warren loses me on any number of points, but especially those crappy

shirts he wears.

I expect him to half a pineapple on his head.

Sanford can't be the newest missing white girl unless it's a white girl who has a spouse and 4 kids, is the Governor of one of the contiguous states, and has a dong.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

45. And what the GOPigs have not internalized yet

is that this is now the time of the Internet(s) tubes, and everything they've ever said or done can be called up in an instant. I honestly think that's the biggest hurdle they face, understanding that things have changed in terms of information delivery. And until they catch on to that, they're out of the game.

I don't see them picking it up until the 2016 elections. Seriously. Because they are going to have to take that long to nurture young new talent - if they can find any.

Meanwhile, I am loving this Sanford thing, and I honestly think we've just seen the beginning of it.

And, not for a minute has anyone forgotten Ensign.

Ah, it's good to be a Democrat!!!

[saltpoint]

49. Agree on all counts. The GOP has no Reagan anymore. Of course they

didn't really have him when they did have him, since his brain, such as it was to start with, had atrophied long before Iran-Contra.

It's been kinda downhill for them since then. They've milked the family values cow until the cow just keeled over dead. Majorities now support stem cell research, reproductive freedoms, and even same-sex marriage. The Far Right has become the GOP, more or less, and they're being defined by insane people on the far margins. They spew hate speech over the radio. They shoot physicians in Kansas. They murder museum guards in DC.

That's the handbill and ain't nobody lining up for the freak show.

You do a zoom lens on future GOP talent. "If they can find any." Exactly right. A white male war hero, a guy whose boots the media have licked for decades, just lost to an Afro-American community organizer.

Yoo-hoo, you Republicans. Your futures look kinda foggy.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

52. After almost thirty years

in DC with the GOPigs in power for twenty-two of those years, I am so relieved to have the Obama family here, making a difference.

Even if they're spineless, I love having a Democratic majority in Congress.

I love that the deconstruction of Reagan has begun, ever so slowly, with people talking out loud about how his policies - ah, yes, let's deregulate everything - led us to where we are today, including so many mentally ill homeless out there because that mofo emptied the mental hospitals.

And ketchup is a vegetable.

Imagine! The nerve!

I find such beautiful symmetry that Raygun ended his life as a vegetable........................

[saltpoint]

57. Yes. Reagan. A president with out an idea in his head, literally, and one of the

most venal cabinets that could have been assembled.

A dark time. I did the best I could to navigate through it -- yet another 8-year period of quasi-exile -- and just cranked up the Jackson Browne albums.

I love Jimmy Carter the man but resent that he did not build on his initial popularity. He had the demographics at the beginning to build a new Democratic majority and it fell to pieces awfully fast. I took the Reagan landslide in 1980 very personally. I wondered how my fellow citizens could fire a good man and replace him with a mindless fool.

Barack Obama was not given much of a chance to win the nomination. He upset the expectations and went on to crush the hapless John McCain like a stale Frito. It really is a good time to be a Democrat. Obama impresses me but also delights me. I feel as if a resolute adult is in charge now.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

65. Here's a story for you, my dear -

Back in the late seventies, I went to work for a downtown DC law firm. Fancy little boutique firm, and my immediate boss was Charles S. Murphy.

He had great credentials, Charlie did, but the most inspiring thing about him was how much he hated Nixon.

I mean, he hated him with a white-hot roaring rage, and Charlie was a soft-spoken North Carolinian who had been Mr. Truman's White House Counsel and Chief of Staff, although it wasn't called that back then.

Charlie was a Duke grad, undergrad and law school, and served on the Board of Trustees of the law school. A very big contributor, as well.

He hated Nixon to the point that one day, on my lunch break, I shoplifted two paperback copies of Gordon Liddy's autobiography, then stood in line to get him to autograph one for me and one for "Charles S. Murphy, Affectionately, G. Gordon Liddy." Charlie was thrilled that I'd not put any $$ into Liddy's coffers, and he treasured his copy of "Will".

He hated Nixon so much that when Terry Sanford, a very good old friend of Charlie's, announced that the Nixon Library was going to be built on the Duke campus, Charlie very quietly informed Sanford that if he went through with that plan, he (Charlie) would resign from the Board and pull all his financial pledges.

Sanford went ahead with it.

Charlie pulled out and took a whole bunch of other Trustees with him, including William Styron. I wrote the letters that went out over Charlie's signature, urging them to join him in stopping the Nixon Library from being built on the Duke campus.

You do know where the Nixon Library is, don't you?

Charlie took me with him to the Oval Office one day, when he wanted to present a book to President Carter. That's the kind of guy he was - Charlie said to me, "Wanna go for a walk with me?" and we ended up at the White House.

I'm telling you all this, my patient, sweet pal, because after I had departed from the firm, Charlie and used to write each other letters - real, honest-to-god letters, with fountain pens and nice paper.

And one day, apropos of Reagan, Charlie wrote to me (the letter is now in the collection at the Truman Library in Independence), "I'm beginning to think that Nixon wasn't the worst one."

That's how bad Reagan was.

Charlie also mistrusted Carter - said he detected a mean streak, that it had something to do with his religion.

Charlie was a world unto himself:

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/oralhist/murphy.htm

[proud patriot]

30. it's been a nice distraction for a day

But by the time everynews show was over , I was
seeking news from Iran , and healthcare .

Like I said It's been a nice distraction .

[Cleita]

56. That was my point. It was good for the day, but now that we know

he was doing a tango in Argentina, it's time to stop flogging the horse. It make us look like voyeurs. I don't mind new details coming out. But so far it's time to give it a rest before something new comes out, which no doubt will be tomorrow. I think he might have some enemies within his party and gloating now makes us fall into their trap.

[nevergiveup]

31. Mark who?

[western mass]

34. Keeping GOP hypocrisy in the headlines 24/7

is probably one of the finest things we can do for the world at the moment.

More Sanford please!

[Tangerine LaBamba]

40. REMEMBER MONICA!!!!!

That's my personal battle cry for the next few days.

Let's not forget that the rightwingnuts would be honking over this constantly and loudly.

It's our turn, and I like it from this side. I like it very much.....................

[Cleita]

46. This is why we can't become them...Monica.

The next time it will be our turn and we might get another John Edwards.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

47. Uh-huh......

Right. Sure. Yep. Indeed.

[western mass]

73. Bring it on!

You don't seem to get it. "Monica" had nothing to do with hypocrisy (unless you're talking about Republican hypocrisy).

But if you want a battle of GOP lies/misdeeds/hypocrisy v. Democratic L/M/H, I'll all for it. The GOP will get lose that battle by 10 to 1. Bring it on!!! Then we'd finally see which is the party of morality and honesty (hint: it ain't the elephant).

[havocmom]

91. Monica had much to do with hypocrisy - the hypocrisy of the Right who tried to undo an election

because of sex between consenting adults. And there were some pretty nasty swingers involved in all that hand wringing done by the GOP trying to overturn the Presidential election the people had so resoundingly voted for.

The Monica Issue was hypocrisy, but not Bill's hypocrisy. You are correct: it was Republican hypocrisy and they tried to overthrow the government with it.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

98. What other hypocrisy is there?

Duh..................

[Autumn]

93. The view from here is fucking awesome

isn't it. It's good to be here.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

99. Yeah, I'm liking it a lot -

don't especially want to stay up here forever, but, after all those years of being Down There, I'm liking it a lot up here................

[Vickers]

36. Done with the guy who voted to impeach Clinton for HIS extra-marital affair?

NOT EVEN CLOSE.

[Egalitariat]

84. I thought the Clinton charge was perjury? Was he charged with having an extra-marital affair?

[Vickers]

92. Lemme ask you this:

What color dress was the "perjury" wearing?

:rofl:

[Autumn]

94. He was fodder for the media and

the party of hypocrisy for years, because of Monica not so much his perjury

[slipslidingaway]

37. There were three hearings today on health care....

I have not read a single thread on Sanford.

:shrug:

[Cleita]

50. You posted on the hearings. Thank you.

Sanford had been rather hot, but good if you didn't have to read about it or hear about it because I seem to be getting a lot of it through all media that I have access to.

[slipslidingaway]

54. TV is off most of the time and I've skipped over stories on

the internet...but it can be difficult.

YW :)

[subcomhd]

39. I can multitask

Your point's well taken, but we still need to see a photo and I'd like a confirmation on her age. Is this a Berlusconi situation?

[Cleita]

53. That would be an improvement,

a photo of the mistress, although I wonder why anyone would want to put her and her children through it,it would make this stale story move forward other than the prurient remarks about nude hiking day and the Harlequin romance letters. Really, this is tabloid and lounge.

[subcomhd]

68. I think the fact that he is governor and

was mentioned as a Presidential candidate gives it more than tabloid status. But I agree with you there are more important issues. Now that said. On the purient side of this, aren't you the least bit curious about the mysterious woman? I'm not endorsing the orgy of overcoverage this is about to generate. But even if you were just going to make this story disapear for the virtue of focusing on serious stuff, wouldn't you wait to find out just a wee bit more? He's known her for eight years. But just this past week he totally flipped out and flushed away his promising career as a professional political asshole to go see her.

[Cleita]

70. I am curious, but I feel it belongs in the National Enquirer.

There was a time that the newspapers did journalism and the tabloids took care of the rest. Actually, the newspapers in their entertainment pages picked up the tabloid stories and checked them and then printed them. This is why we never knew about Jack Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe on the front page unless you were following the gossip. I still feel this is the way it should be. Now the big story with this governor is that he abandoned his office without advising his attorney general leaving the state without leadership, yet I haven't seen much said about this except with Rachel Maddow.

[rabs]

69. Can guarantee you that Clarin and other BA media are hot on the trail

of the mistress. They have the address in the Palermo neighborhood where she lives. It is a matter of time before her photo and name will appear.

I agree with you that there are other more pressing national issues. But at the same time, I want to see this rethug hypocrisy rammed down the throats of the "family value" neo-cons.

Oh, menu for this weekend:
Porotos granados con mazamorra
Charquican

[Cleita]

71. I love those porotos granados. They are really the best beans you will

ever eat. I grew up on them in Chile, well when I was there. In the States it was tuna casserole and hot dogs.

[elocs]

72. It's a distraction from more important issues, but DU loves to obsess over distractions.

I can remember a great acceptance speech by Barack Obama, but the next morning here it was overwhelmed here by post after post, thread after thread about Palin with most parroting the same thing and saying nothing new, but all impressed by how clever they were.

[western mass]

74. GOP lies & dishonesty

Really, I can't think of a more important issue. I'd like to see it on the news 24/7.

[elocs]

97. So, this helps us get things like healthcare how?

Yes, it is GOP lies and dishonesty and hypocrisy, but I'm sure they prefer Dems to be talking about the sex scandals of which have more to do with human nature since they are not exclusive to either party, rather than the important issues.

[sufrommich]

102. Nothing you post on an internet forum is helping to get anything

done anywhere.

[elocs]

103. I disagree hardily with that and so would very many here at DU also.

Posting on an internet forum does help to motivate the grassroots which you should know if you have been here at DU long. People will call their members of Congress and get actively involved in other issues because of postings on an internet forum. Quite the glass is virtually empty attitude you have there.

[sendero]

75. I love it when these things happen..

.. because for SOME of the Repugs that get caught up in something like this, they will learn to be less judgmental of others.

Not the sociopaths, but SOME.

This definitely ends his presidential ambitions, and might well end his political career. That's enough for me.

[cali]

76. And you're free to post about anything you wish. You cannot, however,

direct others here what to post about. Furthermore, no, it's nothing like the "missing white girl". This is a story about religious right and hypocrisy as much as it's about Sanford himself.

[Bucky]

105. I think you missed the humor here.

Besides, someone saying "let it go" isn't directing you what to post about. Other peoples' opinions are not a form of censorship.

[JVS]

77. Oh no. We have to milk this story for all it's worth.

[DainBramaged]

78. You can't be serious?

I didn't know you had control over the news button here.

[endarkenment]

79. Uh no. He is not the missing white girl except he's a guy.

He was until yesterday the white knight of the freepoid wing of the greedy old party, their annointed contender for the 2012 campaign. He is not the Missing White Girl, he is the Runaway Bride, and he is a showpiece for exactly how deranged the fundaloon-freeper party has become. Twist in the wind Sanford, twist and squirm and remind everyone just how full of it you hypocrites are.

[workinclasszero]

80. It ain't over till he resigns and apologizes to Bill Clinton! (nt)

[tekisui]

81. We're just getting started. People were saying back off when he was

'missing'. And, then saying drop it when he was hiking. It's far from over. 5 days of crying in Argentina? There is still more to this story.

[timtom]

82. I'm with you!

[mikeytherat]

83. He's down on the ground, but he's still moving.

Keep kicking him. Again. And again. And again.

mikey_the_rat

[varelse]

85. Yeah, I'm busy with the "hide thread" feature this morning

:P

[raccoon]

86. No, we of SC need to get his ass out of office.

I'm tired of these spoiled rich boys getting away with everything.

[Ganja Ninja]

89. Afraid not.

nice try though.

[malaise]

95. No - he must resign n/t

[Paladin]

96. Why? Because That's What Limbaugh And Hannity Would Do With A Democrat?

The last thing we need to do is succumb to the same, tired old Liberals Are Nicer Than Conservatives bullshit. We need to ride this story into the ground, asking again and again why disgraced Republicans manage to hang on to their positions, while disgraced Democrats resign. There's a lot more to come on this matter, and we need to exploit every single detail......

[Tangerine LaBamba]

106. Amen, amen!

Those rightwingnuts STILL bring up Teddy Kennedy and Chappaquiddick, and we'll have Monica Lewinsky forever from them, so, yeah, we better pound this thing into the ground.

Hypocrisy is NEVER not news, and just because someone fancies himself holier-than-thou because he finds health care coverage more important doesn't mean that this whole sordid and deeply enjoyably matter doesn't deserve our time and attention.

And nurturing.........................

[Paladin]

108. Amen, amen! (n/t)

[Nye Bevan]

100. If he stole taxpayers' money to take trips to visit his mistress

then he belongs in JAIL. Horny hormones do not excuse embezzlement.

[raccoon]

101. Amen! nt