Do you know what Echelon is

[nadinbrzezinski]

Ok this is kind of an important question and a simple yes or no is all that is required

Oh and cute, my first poll EVAH...in these many years. Feels like I graduated onto something here

[dysfunctional press]

1. that phone-spying thing that's been around for a LONG time?

THAT echelon?

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Yep

[rurallib]

4. no no no - it's a seafood.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

2. I used to work on it.

Series..

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. I'm impressed

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

6. No need to be.

It was boring.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. From this very small sample it appears some folks have not forgotten what happened

in ***** or so...

Where is my hat... so I can chew on it

Or better yet keep this going

[dmr]

8. A movie about Echelon

[havocmom]

9. Yep and my daughter tips her hat to it regularly when we chat on phone

She's sorta ornery. Don't know where she gets it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. We use the old standard, FUCK HOOVER

[-..__...]

12. I remeber a list of "trip words" going around...

and people were encouraged to use them whenever possible in their communications.

I would post them here, but they're already monitoring this thread anyways. B-) :tinfoilhat:

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. For those answering NO... here you go

no peeking for the rest... unless you want a refresher

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

[BrotherBuzz]

13. Beware Brother, Beware

He's my partial list of trip words (I'll give a prize to the first enterprising soul that uses all the words in one sentence):

Waihopai, INFOSEC, Information Security, Information Warfare, IW, IS, Priavacy, Information Terrorism, Terrorism Defensive Information, Defense Information Warfare, Offensive Information, Offensive Information Warfare, National Information Infrastructure, InfoSec, Reno, Compsec, Computer Terrorism, Firewalls, Secure Internet Connections, ISS, Passwords, DefCon V, Hackers, Encryption, Espionage, USDOJ, NSA, CIA, S/Key, SSL, FBI, Secert Service, USSS, Defcon, Military, White House, Undercover, NCCS, Mayfly, PGP, PEM, RSA, Perl-RSA, MSNBC, bet, AOL, AOL TOS, CIS, CBOT, AIMSX, STARLAN, 3B2, BITNET, COSMOS, DATTA, E911, FCIC, HTCIA, IACIS, UT/RUS, JANET, JICC, ReMOB, LEETAC, UTU, VNET, BRLO, BZ, CANSLO, CBNRC, CIDA, JAVA, Active X, Compsec 97, LLC, DERA, Mavricks, Meta-hackers, ^?, Steve Case, Tools, Telex, Military Intelligence, Scully, Flame, Infowar, Bubba, Freeh, Archives, Sundevil, jack, Investigation, ISACA, NCSA, spook words, Verisign, Secure, ASIO, Lebed, ICE, NRO, Lexis-Nexis, NSCT, SCIF, FLiR, Lacrosse, Flashbangs, HRT, DIA, USCOI, CID, BOP, FINCEN, FLETC, NIJ, ACC, AFSPC, BMDO, NAVWAN, NRL, RL, NAVWCWPNS, NSWC, USAFA, AHPCRC, ARPA, LABLINK, USACIL, USCG, NRC, ~, CDC, DOE, FMS, HPCC, NTIS, SEL, USCODE, CISE, SIRC, CIM, ISN, DJC, SGC, UNCPCJ, CFC, DREO, CDA, DRA, SHAPE, SACLANT, BECCA, DCJFTF, HALO, HAHO, FKS, 868, GCHQ, DITSA, SORT, AMEMB, NSG, HIC, EDI, SAS, SBS, UDT, GOE, DOE, GEO, Masuda, Forte, AT, GIGN, Exon Shell, CQB, CONUS, CTU, RCMP, GRU, SASR, GSG-9, 22nd SAS, GEOS, EADA, BBE, STEP, Echelon, Dictionary, MD2, MD4, MDA, MYK, 747,777, 767, MI5, 737, MI6, 757, Kh-11, Shayet-13, SADMS, Spetznaz, Recce, 707, CIO, NOCS, Halcon, Duress, RAID, Psyops, grom, D-11, SERT, VIP, ARC, S.E.T. Team, MP5k, DREC, DEVGRP, DF, DSD, FDM, GRU, LRTS, SIGDEV, NACSI, PSAC, PTT, RFI, SIGDASYS, TDM. SUKLO, SUSLO, TELINT, TEXTA. ELF, LF, MF, VHF, UHF, SHF, SASP, WANK, Colonel, domestic disruption, smuggle, 15kg, nitrate, Pretoria, M-14, enigma, Bletchley Park, Clandestine, nkvd, argus, afsatcom, CQB, NVD, Counter Terrorism Security, Rapid Reaction, Corporate Security, Police, sniper, PPS, ASIS, ASLET, TSCM, Security Consulting, High Security, Security Evaluation, ElectronicSurveillance, MI-17, Counterterrorism, spies, eavesdropping, debugging, interception, COCOT, rhost, rhosts, SETA, Amherst, Broadside, Capricorn, Gamma, Gorizont, Guppy, Ionosphere, Mole, Keyhole, Kilderkin, Artichoke, Badger, Cornflower, Daisy, Egret, Iris, Hollyhock, Jasmine, Juile, Vinnell, B.D.M.,Sphinx, Stephanie, Reflection, Spoke, Talent, Trump, FX, FXR, IMF, POCSAG, Covert Video,Intiso, r00t, lock picking, Beyond Hope, csystems, passwd, 2600 Magazine, Competitor, EO, Chan, Alouette, executive, Event Security, Mace, Cap-Stun, stakeout, ninja, ASIS, ISA, EOD, Oscor, Merlin, NTT, SL-1, Rolm, TIE, Tie-fighter, PBX, SLI, NTT, MSCJ, MIT, 69, RIT, Time, MSEE, Cable & Wireless, CSE, Embassy, ETA, Porno, Fax, finks, Fax encryption, white noise, pink noise, CRA, M.P.R.I., top secret, Mossberg, 50BMG, Macintosh Security, Macintosh Internet Security, Macintosh Firewalls, Unix Security, VIP Protection, SIG, sweep, Medco, TRD, TDR, sweeping, TELINT, Audiotel, Harvard, 1080H, SWS, Asset, Satellite imagery, force, Cypherpunks, Coderpunks, TRW, remailers, replay, redheads, RX-7, explicit, FLAME, Pornstars, AVN, Playboy, Anonymous, Sex, chaining, codes, Nuclear, 20, subversives, SLIP, toad, fish, data havens, unix, c, a, b, d, the, Elvis, quiche, DES, 1*, NATIA, NATOA, sneakers, counterintelligence, industrial espionage, PI, TSCI, industrial intelligence, H.N.P., Juiliett Class Submarine, Locks, loch, Ingram Mac-10, sigvoice, ssa, E.O.D., SEMTEX, penrep, racal, OTP, OSS, Blowpipe, CCS, GSA, Kilo Class, squib, primacord, RSP, Becker, Nerd, fangs, Austin, Comirex, GPMG, Speakeasy, humint, GEODSS, SORO, M5, ANC, zone, SBI, DSS, S.A.I.C., Minox, Keyhole, SAR, Rand Corporation, Wackenhutt, EO, Wackendude, mol, Hillal, GGL, CTU, botux, Virii, CCC, Blacklisted 411, Internet Underground, XS4ALL, Retinal Fetish, Fetish, Yobie, CTP, CATO, Phon-e, Chicago Posse, l0ck, spook keywords, PLA, TDYC, W3, CUD, CdC, Weekly World News, Zen, World Domination, Dead, GRU, M72750, Salsa, 7, Blowfish, Gorelick, Glock, Ft. Meade, press-release, Indigo, wire transfer, e-cash, Bubba the Love Sponge, Digicash, zip, SWAT, Ortega, PPP, crypto-anarchy, AT&T, SGI, SUN, MCI, Blacknet, Middleman, KLM, Blackbird, plutonium, Texas, jihad, SDI, Uzi, Fort Meade, supercomputer, bullion, 3, Blackmednet, Propaganda, ABC, Satellite phones, Planet-1, cryptanalysis, nuclear, FBI, Panama, fissionable, Sears Tower, NORAD, Delta Force, SEAL, virtual, Dolch, secure shell, screws, Black-Ops, Area51, SABC, basement, data-haven, black-bag, TEMPSET, Goodwin, rebels, ID, MD5, IDEA, garbage, market, beef, Stego, unclassified, utopia, orthodox, Alica, SHA, Global, gorilla, Bob, Pseudonyms, MITM, Gray Data, VLSI, mega, Leitrim, Yakima, Sugar Grove, Cowboy, Gist, 8182, Gatt, Platform, 1911, Geraldton, UKUSA, veggie, 3848, Morwenstow, Consul, Oratory, Pine Gap, Menwith, Mantis, DSD, BVD, 1984, Flintlock, cybercash, government, hate, speedbump, illuminati, president, freedom, cocaine, $, Roswell, ESN, COS, E.T., credit card, b9, fraud, assasinate, virus, anarchy, rogue, mailbomb, 888, Chelsea, 1997, Whitewater, MOD, York, plutonium, William Gates, clone, BATF, SGDN, Nike, Atlas, Delta, TWA, Kiwi, PGP 2.6.2., PGP 5.0i, PGP 5.1, siliconpimp, Lynch, 414, Face, Pixar, IRIDF, eternity server, Skytel, Yukon, Templeton, LUK, Cohiba, Soros, Standford, niche, 51, H&K, USP, ^, sardine, bank, EUB, USP, PCS, NRO, Red Cell, Glock 26, snuffle, Patel, package, ISI, INR, INS, IRS, GRU, RUOP, GSS, NSP, SRI, Ronco, Armani, BOSS, Chobetsu, FBIS, BND, SISDE, FSB, BfV, IB, froglegs, JITEM, SADF, advise, TUSA, HoHoCon, SISMI, FIS, MSW, Spyderco, UOP, SSCI, NIMA, MOIS, SVR, SIN, advisors, SAP, OAU, PFS, Aladdin, chameleon man, Hutsul, CESID, Bess, rail gun, Peering, 17, 312, NB, CBM, CTP, Sardine, SBIRS, SGDN, ADIU, DEADBEEF, IDP, IDF, Halibut, SONANGOL, Flu, &, Loin, PGP 5.53, EG&G, AIEWS, AMW, WORM, MP5K-SD, 1071, WINGS, cdi, DynCorp, UXO, Ti, THAAD, package, chosen, PRIME, SURVIAC,UFO.

[Canuckistanian]

23. Ah, thanks.

I lost my original copy of those.

I used to use it as a sig line on my emails.

[Greyhound]

14. It got a mention is the all-time-classic video game "Deus Ex". n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. I guess I should play Computer Games more often

:-)

I loaded Starcraft onto the Mac the other day... and played it for all of ten minutes... damn I like the 1980s arcades, after that

[Greyhound]

16. It's ancient by the standards, 2001 IIRC. Very story driven and with multiple

plot lines, very dense. It was obviously a work of love.

The sequel was just shameful.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Well I write paper and pencil RPGs, my dying art form

but there are days. I know hubby does play them, but I have not really done that

[Greyhound]

22. Careful, that's how I started...

:rofl:

I still have the saddle stitched books of Grayhawk in a box somewhere.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. No, no I actually WRITE THEM

www.deistgames.com

I have been working on the space game for the last three days.

ALMOST ready to do play testing of alpha .1 of the construction rules

Yes, I am a careful member of the drug pusher association (GAMA)

:-)

[Duer 157099]

18. You're reading Pattern Recognition, aren't you!

:thumbsup:

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Yeah and I did the poll also because I was proof positive people

didn't remember

What is amazing is that you can do that whether it is Inquisition papers... the joyful documents I got to read for my thesis or readying DU or the twitter

Oh and I will gladly eat my hat now

[arcadian]

21. Eweugh, spy fiction

I only read serious books about this subject. :D

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Well I've talked with actual spooks too

and one thing I will tell you about Gibson, like Red October there are many valid things in there

By the way CAYCE is NOT Gibson.

Just happens to be the SAME TITLE

[arcadian]

31. If he's anything like Clancy, then he's a name dropper.

and doesn't know his shit, pretends like he does. Nope, the writer the guys at NSA all respect is Bamford, he's a celebrity at Fort Meade.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. From a submariner, Red October was almost classified

since it does have real thing in there.

And I will leave it at that.

I will take the word of a USN Submariner any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

In fact, much of that you could even find references as to actual tactics in the latter book written by two reporters, Silent Service.

[arcadian]

19. Told ya

:D

[givemebackmycountry]

24. That's the website,,,

That the guy named Atrios runs right?

:rofl:

[AsahinaKimi]

25. Was Echelon mentioned...

on Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell? :tinfoilhat: :blush: I don't remember now.. :hide: :rofl:
(wow! I finally got to use the tinfoilhat thingy!):woohoo:

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. Of course Art Bell menitoend him, from time to time

he mentions things that are not tin foil... go on, google the term

[AsahinaKimi]

29. wow, he did..

I thought I remembered hearing that on his show once.. I can never remember all that stuff..
Except for all those interviews with Richard C. Hoagland.. :D oh,and.. Mel's Hole.

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. He hasn't been doing it for a while either

but Echelon sounds way out there... to be ahem real, never mind it is very real

The EU even filed protests when it went live... that and Carnivore

[redqueen]

35. I was wondering if you'd mention Carnivore.

Glad you did. :)

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. kick for morning \ afternoon crowd

[Bucky]

34. It's what kept us safe from impending al-Qaeda attacks from Iraq & Cuba the last 8 years

Well, that plus all those dozens of waterboarding sessions that kept finding those ticking bomb scenarios :hide: