OK. I'm convinced. Barack Obama is a warmongering

[cali]

corporatist puppet. john mccain may not have been better, but he couldn't have been worse. we could have had a real progressive. all we had to do to nominate Dennis Kucinich is click our ruby slippers. darn.

[Oregone]

1. Who needs Kucinich? There was always Nader

(my attempt to turn this into a juvenile pointless Nader bashing thread, and I have great faith in certain members to help).


...but with that said, Id take Nader's health care plan at the drop of a hat over Obama's!

[GoesTo11]

6. Nader is really a different candidate

unlike Obama vs. McCain. Or Gore vs. Bush for that matter. Nader was right!

[Maru Kitteh]

72. You're going to have to drop your hat into hell then, because Nader has a rats chance there

of.......... well, of absolutely anything.

[Dogmudgeon]

2. You forgot "fascist"

It isn't a real lefty slur unless you use "fascist" in it.

--d!
Where is my Magick Pony?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. You misspelled "facist."

[achtung_circus]

15. I thought a "facist"

gave facials.

[omega minimo]

45. Speling nazi

[shadowknows69]

4. zzzzzzzzzzz

Wake me when someone interesting shows up

[damntexdem]

8. Lulubye, and goodnight ...

shhhhh

[countingbluecars]

5. I am shocked and surprised.

I must have been too busy posting pictures of Obama in sunglasses to notice.

[lamp_shade]

7. Kucinich?

He scares the bejeezus out of me.

[Oregone]

9. Yes

Real universal healthcare is terrifying

[NeedleCast]

12. Real universal health care is easy to talk about

Not so easy to pass into law. Think DK could have done it? I don't.

[Oregone]

16. In the world that he was elected, yes...

DK is known for showing *leadership* on issues like this. He is probably the type that would of delivered draft legislation to the Congress members to pass specifically. He probably would take to the airways, to the media, the case for single-payer, pitting his Congress against the people. He knows the statistics, and he would of broadcast them to the world.

People would listen. Most people do not know what it is, but if they understood, they would quickly take to it.

Look, Congress invented some ambiguous undefined notion like "public option" (which people still, have no details on) which they have sold to almost 80% of people according to a recent poll, with zero leadership and direction. Obama floated some guidelines and has let Congress have their perverted way drafting and debating some shitty ideas, and still, the people have been responsive. Imagine real leadership on a real concept like single payer with real statistics behind it.

[lamp_shade]

Sorry! I just don't see Dennis as a leader of anything. He makes a lot of noise, true, but

I fail to see why he'd have any more success with the congress than Obama has. He'd probably have less.

[Oregone]

41. I guess you miss the concept about leadership...

Because Obama has actually shown very little on this issue (he has taken the same approach with the stimulus).

Educating and promoting ideas is leadership. Dennis does that constantly, though the media doesn't hang on his every word. Obama really hasn't took that approach at all with health care, yet he has the potential to reach every home in America with his voice. There hasn't even been a clear direction at all in the last 2 months on this issue at all, and no one even knows what this concept of a public option will even look like. There isn't a statistic in the world to support the potential success of this patchwork Third Way approach Obama is behind.

Maybe you missed Dennis in the single-payer forums. If he was able to take that message to the country with a FIRM plan and a FIRM direction, with the attention Obama gets as president, the plan would speak for itself.

[DonCoquixote]

42. Yawn

Dennis K is a man who failed as a mayor, and has been useless as anything else but a self-promoting windbag. He is exactly the sort of preening show pony we do not need, because his entire presidency would be spent addressing his main audience, himself.

[Oregone]

46. Right

So the alternative is just...well, is this it? ug. Nice. I guess "in a Democracy, the people get the government they deserve."

[DonCoquixote]

58. No

The alternative is, first and foremost, to restore the executive branch to it's proper place, which is, behind the congress. The constitution never meant any president to have the powers they have now. Until people talk about their local elections, they will not be able to deal with the federal. If nothing else, the Obama presidency has shown just how much control Congress actually has, and now that people have seen the stink that grows under even clean desks like Pelosi, they can actually see how to do real change. .This is good news though, because it is at the local level where third party candidates can mount an offense, ala jesse ventura. Look at it this way, the greatest impediment to Dennis is that he has never been a Governor, which is a traditional step to being president, if Jesse ran in 2012, he would not have that issue, as he ran a state that is much larger population wise than Alaska.

[babythunder]

74. This country is not ready for a truly

Progressive candidate not saying that Kucinich is that guy but get real. Americans will routinely vote against their interests and buy into the media's bs while watching their country fall down around them.

[themoreuknow]

14. ???

He wants a Dept. of Peace! Hold me!!!!:scared: :eyes:

[RC]

35. And what is wrong with that?

All this war stuff has worked out so well for ya, has it?

[themoreuknow]

76. LOL--Didn't you see? I was responding to Lampshade!

I love Kucinich and would love for the Military Industrial Complex to be abolished.

[winyanstaz]

26. yes, it is scary to hear the truth I guess for some people

[earth mom]

10. Here, learn a thing or two and listen to Bill Maher...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x327906

[xultar]

11. ROFL. Y'all are totally not getting it.

[960]

13. Or we could have nominated Hillary, Biden, Richardson, or any of the other

candidates to the left of Obama who are more intent on passing legislation rather than being popular.

[FLAprogressive]

17. I hate to burst your bubble but they are center-right just like he is. nt

[cali]

19. I hate to burst your delusional bubble, but in this country, Obama is not center right

and face it, dennis can't run a campaign to save his life. hell, he didn't even set up an office in Iowa last time around.

[superduperfarleft]

27. Your definition of "left" is what's wrong with politics in this country.

inb4 "I'M A BERNIE SANDERS DEM!!!!1111"

[RC]

43. He is no way Left.

The center has been stretch so far to the right, anyone not in danger of falling off is labeled a Liberal.
Also anyone with a (D) by their name, no matter haw far to the right they really are, are labeled as a far left wing loony liberal. True Liberals are hard to find, even around here.

[omega minimo]

20. Edwards picked up the populist banner. That got him squeezed out of the media frame.

[texastoast]

47. Thank GAWD!

What an idiot he turned out to be.

[omega minimo]

50. Meanwhile,, what does it tell us about a real populist candidate?

[texastoast]

67. That you gotta have a real populist candidate

Who is not stupid.

[omega minimo]

68. when a faux one can't make it through corporate/media vetting, then what?

[texastoast]

69. Then the Dems need to vet ahead of time

Sometimes they are just too desperate to get a candidate and hoping that the media doesn't find out does a great deal of damage.

The rules of the game have changed. It's not about how well you perform the job or how well qualified you are--it's all that while walking the straight and narrow. You know how mean that liberal media can be.:sarcasm:

[960]

22. Obama was the furthest right of all Dem candidates.

Doesn't make the others leftists, but they are to the left of Obama. (possible exception of Gravel, depending on how you characterize his positions and if you take him seriously)

[TahitiNut]

53. Utter bullshit.

[960]

54. And what's that based on? His rhetoric or his actions.

That poli compass can be trotted out as much as you want, it proves nothing.
FISA vote for one....

[TahitiNut]

55. The primaries are done. The election is done. Get over it.

Your idiotic rants are baseless posturing. You don't like Obama. Tough shit.

[Sebastian Doyle]

30. Hillary to the left of Obama?

C'mon trollie, you're gonna have to do better than that.

I see you dropped the ridiculous Terry McUseless signature. Too obvious, was it?

[FLAprogressive]

32. Yeah, it's just delusional how some people here have this fantasy of the Clintons being liberal

[Fire1]

57. So THAT'S why I like Obama!! n/t

[superduperfarleft]

36. Hillary's plan is almost identical to the crap being floated now

with this stupid "public option" and mandatory insurance, so the Hillaryites should be thrilled.

[960]

38. No, I am rooting for Hillary/Terry in 2016..... or 2012 if things keep going like this.

[FLAprogressive]

65. aahhahahahahaha

[DonCoquixote]

44. Hillary to left of OBama?

Hahahaha, please, she would have made sure the corporations got their feed first, just like in 1993. The idea that Hillary is some sort of left-wing messiah is ludicrous.

[960]

48. Yes, the idea that she is some kind of left-wing messiah is ludicrous.

Funny how you're the only one who I've ever seen use that phrase to characterize her.

She is to the left of Obama and a damn bit more competent. She is not a messiah,

[DonCoquixote]

59. Left of Obama?

ER, don't forget, she voted for the war In Iraq, and she helped Bill MAKE DADT. She also voted for an amendment to punish those who burned the flag. A far as competent goes, if you want certain things, yes, but if she ran the country like she ran her campaign, trying to pander to all those "working class voters" that stepped over her to vote GOP, this country would be far worse.

[omega minimo]

18. or you could have your flying monkeys pick one up

:hi:

[cali]

21. babble on, omega, babble on.

[omega minimo]

23. you ain't got not Ruby Slippers!

:rofl:

[Hassin Bin Sober]

33. Quick! Throw some water!

[omega minimo]

49. Too late: flew back to GD:WW

"S U R R E N D E R . O B A M A"

[superduperfarleft]

24. I actually thought the other post that you're referring to was kind of funny.

This post is just the same sanctimonious, condescending drivel that you spew here on a daily basis.

[FLAprogressive]

25. +1

[omega minimo]

28. Throw water and it melts........

"Melting.......... melting.........."

[superduperfarleft]

29. I wish. n/t

[earth mom]

31. Me too. nt

[omega minimo]

60. Three wishes!! You had the answer with you all along!!!

[tkmorris]

34. Ummm, ok?

[Tim01]

37. The United States of Corporate America. Welcome to the empire. nt

[Politicalboi]

39. There's no place like Hope

LOL!

[4lbs]

40. Why is Kucinich not running for a US Senate seat? That's where the real stuff happens.

This House stuff is piddling around. The Senate is where most of the roadblocks are.

Kucinich could help break that roadblock by being an additional real-Progressive US Senator. There are only a handful in the US Senate, and they need many more.

Or could it be that Kucinich, while popular enough for a section of Ohio to make him a US Rep, isn't popular enough in all of Ohio to become even a US Senator, much less popular enough nationwide to become President?

I would love for all the Kucinich supporters to pressure him to step up to the big leagues and fight for a US Senate seat. You know, the one that Republican George Voinovich is vacating instead of running for re-election next year.

If he wins, then Ohio will have two Progressive Democratic Senators. Probably the first state to boast such.

[ima_sinnic]

51. wow, what a useful post.

NOT

your smug fawning is tiresome.
go kiss some corporate ass with your hero.

[Dogtown]

52. This thread belongs in GD-P

It's a rehash of the primaries.

[omega minimo]

66. The name was changed to GD:O

[Mari333]

56. wow. LOve you cali

when I saw your name I said..whoa.
hugs

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

71. .....

I think cali's sarcasm smiley is missing in action.

[armyowalgreens]

61. K&R

Sad but true.

[JuniperLea]

62. LOL!!

Best thread of the day, cali! The stumbling, the mumbling... the misconceptions! Priceless:)

[Toasterlad]

63. LEAVE BRITTANY ALONE!!!!1!!!1

[bigwillq]

64. Obama is just a typical politician

I don't know why people expected anything different. I learned pretty quickly that that's all he was, and all that he is ever going to be. I like the man, as a person. Think he's a great Dad, good husband, and would probably be really cool to hang out with and have a beer and watch a game. But he's just another politician.

[Forkboy]

70. This is lame even by your standards.

[Democracyinkind]

75. Even worse, it's lame by my standards.

[PurityOfEssence]

73. So, any reprieve for those who withstood your constant, personal derision?

Or are we all still just curs worthy of nothing but dismissal?

The shrieking outrage at any mitigation to his saintliness was a continual harangue, and it was usually done with the dudgeon of accusations of immorality; at least it sounds like THAT's over.

I hope this isn't a prelude to posts seeking sympathy for having been so wronged; thumping on the forlorn ain't my thang, but I'd probably be compelled to stoop to the occasion.