There's gonna be a lot of rightwingers on this ..

[mogster]

RE: Iran situation

If you've followed the twitter streams, you can't have escaped the odd 'islamofacism' from American posters, or for that matter, links to blogs or sites where opinions are from the 'wrong side' of the spectrum. I found an example in my own links posted earlier, a live stream from Iran:

Thought for the day (June 18): President Bush ridiculed Ahmadinejad as a thug. President Obama treated him as an equal. To whose version are the Iranian people more aligned?
http://patriotroom.com/article/iran-s-revolution-v2-0
Of course what Clyde here forget to mention is that Bush also was a thug. If he were the president today, his clumsy behaviour and actions would match every move Ahmadinejad would want to take. With Bush as president, the demonstrators would have had his clammy kiss all over them, making it easy for the regime to rally by nationalism. What we see today in Iran would have been impossible under Bush.

We 'own' this conflict, remember that.
It is ours, because the Iranians demonstrating are like us. They want freedom from religious dominance and brutality. Luckily, this is pretty obvoius from the footage and so people support it out of sheer gut feeling. But still, let's take on some of the differences, to make the similarities between the Bush regime and the Ahmadinejad regime more visible:

If there ever were a US Guardian Council, it was the Supreme Court in 2000. They invaded the democratic process in a decision that was influenced by religion and politics.

Let's take a look at the past four years, here's from 2005:











While Bush was invading one country after another, you protested. The repubs did not. They cheered on every war and in a language that left a lot to be desired.
More of those pictures http://www.iterapi.com/americaforpeace/">here.

Voting fraud has been a repetitive topic throughout the Bush years, in demos as in internet postings. The slogan 'where is my vote' could have been picked right out of the US cultural internet imprint for the last eight years. This is their 'Diebold moment', and if we penetrated the outer chaos and bloodshed, we'd be able to see the actual vote fraud activism behind, just as various organisations have done in the US for the last eight years. None of the serious ones were republican.

While Bush was a governor, he was known as an expedient and effective governor in at least one area, death penalty. The actual count he managed I don't know, but it was many. Maybe the Iranians demonstrating would like to just be able to go abroad and be proud of their country without having public executions and stonings sticking to their name? There is an attraction to non violence which is distinctly Democratic, not republican.

I could go on; use of torture, police state methods etc. All good republican politics in the past. WE know that.
It's all Democratic: if Bush I had won in '92, do you think we'd had the Internet and Twitter today? Al Gore didn't invent the internet, but the Democrats sure set that little bird free during the 90's. And us too ;-) Now it's happening in Iran.

Hardliners the world over bites their nails in anticipation of a more democratic and friendly Iran. Weapons smugglers, Shock Doctrine capitalists and fringe politics loonies weep bitter tears in seeing the nuclear bunker buster market to make a nose dive and disappear behind a flock of tweets, yes they do? The Cronyist always fear the Oversight, that's a universal value.

These Iranians are just like us; the We're sorry'ers who just want some change so we don't have to say we're sorry. It's not like Islam is going away from Iran anytime soon, you know. It's a moderate movement against a very extreme regime, and the age of many seems to be low, so this is in many ways a youth democracy movement. The kids of Iran, I murmur for myself as I curse over the 50 msg per second twitter stream.

They deserve our attention, because you can tell that the world politicians stays on the fence as long as possible, marked by old sins, afraid to tip the scale in Ahmadinejad's favor. At some point this situation will probably need to be addressed at a higher level than 'the people at twitter' and what then, DU'ers? As the demo's go on, people will be worn out, revolutionary spirit or not. If they don't win soon, it will be hard to keep it up for long. In case, I hope this will be taken to a higher level than just US response, and that the world politicians finds the tweet in themselves in dealing with this situation. It's not at all war we want, it's shuttle diplomacy, UN initiatives and election observers. It's prolonged focus on the situation, also from NGOs. More Obama love. European initiatives. Be aware of people like Michael Ledeen, who now publishes a supposed letter from Mousavi to Obama, asking for more action. Earlier infamous letters from neoconservatives to US presidents should produce a healthy scepticism towards the content, at least. Don't let the 'islamofacist' people on the right set the agenda, that will never win the day.

I'm going to bed now, it's been a long day on facebook and twitter, and here. I woke up to the video of Neda, and that was a really shocking experience. I wish she was alive, in the world I'd wished for her she'd still be, and hope this will be our inspiration.

[Dogmudgeon]

1. Don't sweat the Right

It's dead. Just like the Glorious Iranian Islamic Revolution will be in about a month.

The "anti-Islamofascist" Twit(terer)s and bloggers? Assclowns. Every one of them. They think it's All About Them and their hatred for Obama. It's really about the Iranians. And that's why I say it's dead. No political movement can survive very long when it is run by emotionally uncontrolled narcissists.

There will be a future Conservative movement, a Next Right, but it's a few years away. I hesitate to name names because of the intensity of hatred that has developed even here, but it will be a far sight better than what we have now.

I will still be a Democrat and a Progressive. But the Next Right will at least be a civil movement (in all senses of the term).

I don't care what Michael Ledeen says. He's just another buffoon who spent America bankrupt, turned the world against us, and looted the world's banks for their own gain. His grandchildren -- the grandchildren of them all -- will laugh behind his back. Some will laugh in his face. Not just of Ledeen, but his entire "peer cohort".

The world is changing. There will be a few tears along the way. But the last 40 years will soon seem like a brief bad dream we had when we were kids.

--d!

[mogster]

2. I think you are right

Indeed, the world is changing. Isn't it great?

I just wanted to add some more pictures of the demonstrating Americans, from 2005. I collected peace protest pictures here at the DU with the help of some other DU'ers back then, and these pictures I've watched many times, lol.














Yeah, nighty ;-)

[paulsby]

4. rubbish

the left has called the death of the right MANY times. and they were always wrong.

the right has done the same thing with the left. and they were always wrong.

study some history. learn from it. don't repeat it.

reminds me of how myopic people get during bubbles. it's ALWAYS a new paradigm.

then, when the bubble crashes it's always THE END OF THE WORLD AND THE END OF CAPITALISM.

and they are , as always, wrong

[Dogmudgeon]

5. Okay. Fear it all you want to.

Need I remind you that the death of Democracy has also been called MANY times?

Four to six times a day right here at DU.

--d!

[paulsby]

7. exactly

and all the anti-capitalists especially love to claim the death of capitalism.

it's so ridiculous and historically myopic as to be laughable, if it wasn't so sad.

[Laelth]

3. K&R. Nicely done. n/t

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-Laelth

[lpbk2713]

6. K&R

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