So long Democratic party. It was good while it lasted.

[armyowalgreens]

I am re-registering as a democratic socialist.

I encourage all my socialist brothers and sisters to join me.





Yes, I do expect this to make a significant difference. :freak:
:sarcasm: :sarcasm:


Also, clarification before I get the shit flamed out of me. I still have love and respect for true liberals both here on DU and elsewhere. I just don't feel welcome in the party anymore. The leaders are not willing to fight for the citizens. It's time for me to look elsewhere.

[AllentownJake]

1. You are probably about to get TSed

The Democratic Party doesn't care. They are actually happy when the liberals leave. Cause less trouble for them in primaries.

[Ikonoklast]

2. Kthnxbai.

[cali]

3. lol. good luck.

I don't see why people make such a big deal about this shit. And no, I'm not going to join you. I love the dem party in Vermont, and I have a Socialist Senator who's backed by the dem party. Why should I change? And you best get to work building a viable dem socialist party, because you're wrong- your switching party affiliations isn't going to magically make the dem socialist party relevant- that's just childish magical thinking.

[armyowalgreens]

4. Clarified the OP.

I don't literally think my changing parties will make a difference, either good or bad.

[Buzz Clik]

7. Could you clarify your clarifiication?

You're actually leaving the Dem Party to become a Dem Socialist, correct?

It's the making a difference part that was a joke?

[armyowalgreens]

10. yes.

I'll try to rework the OP again.

[armyowalgreens]

5. Also, I wish Sanders was actually a leader in the Democratic Party.

[tavalon]

45. I'm a socialist, but I caucus with the democrats

I haven't seen any reason to change my affiliation from Democrat because, well, the two parties have a stranglehold on our political system and if I'm going to have any say and there is some doubt as to whether I do have any say, it will only be within that structure.

[JNelson6563]

6. You must have a great deal of time and effort invested

Been hard at it for years now and ready to walk away? Or are you just another keyboard commando who has much to say on the tubes and little to show in your "efforts" column? Just wondering.

Julie

[TheWatcher]

8. Considering you know jack shit about who this person really is and what he's done, perhaps

you should let him say his peace and let him be.

Your comment was stupid and unnecessary.

His decision to leave doesn't automatically make him a bad person.

[JNelson6563]

74. Just askin'.

Why you took offense is a mystery. Your post reminds me of the fad word bandied about a while back: "Poutrage".

Didn't say he was a bad person, inquired into what sort of activist he really was.
Julie

[TheWatcher]

92. Take your little Passive Agressive response, and the silly little label and shove it.

It will likely be difficult to pack in with your head being in the way, but you'll manage.

Your "inquiry" was rude and snarky and smacked of thinly veiled condescension and insult.

You got called on it and spewed out some backpeddling nonsense about Poutrage.

Render Unto Me A Fucking Break.

:eyes:

Another one for the ignore list.

[JNelson6563]

104. Good ignore me.

It'll give you more time to play keyboard commando. Rock on.

Julie

[JackRiddler]

105. "Keyboard commando"

"Poutrage"

Buzzwords to avoid dealing sustantively with fellow citizens who don't agree with your views.

[JNelson6563]

108. And sometimes just plain ol' applicable.

:toast:

[armyowalgreens]

9. hmmm I was fairly involved on campus for the democratic party...

Helped at the rallies and picnics. I was never a strongly outspoken member. But then again that's probably because a majority of the members were moderates and I'm extremely left of center. People liked my ideas until I got to socialism. And then they ran.

But even the more moderate views, like LGBTQ rights and other civil liberties, are being thrown out the window by the true leaders of the party.

[corpseratemedia]

11. maybe they'll get the message when the funds

and the votes dry up

I'm thinking the funds

sorry perhaps things like universal health care, regulation even nationalization of energy resources, fair taxation and regulation of the financial sector are what the civilized countries have, so instead of the *scary* term "socialism"..it's actually "civilized"

you have civilized values

the countries that have civilized values have the lowest crime rates and the happiest people...

[justinaforjustice]

30. Corporate Funds Won't "Dry Up" Without Public Funding of Elections.

All our elected politicans, Democratic and Republican, will remain the bought and paid for property of the wealthy corporations until such time as we outlaw private election funding and replace it with public financing.

[pokercat999]

40. They have unlimited funds at their disposal, all they

have to do is toe the corporate line. That seems to be working very well for them.

[SammyWinstonJack]

52. They get plenty of funds from their corporate buds, which is who they REALLY CARE ABOUT!

[JNelson6563]

76. Thanks for the answer.

During my involvement in real world politics I was fortunate enough to know people with views all across the Dem spectrum. You can make a difference in your own backyard, in spite of what the official local party does. For example, if you found a wonderfully progressive candidate for office, work directly for them.

Julie

[Name removed]

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[SidDithers]

13. I hate it when long-time DU'ers leave the party...nt

Sid

[irislake]

14. Why don't you just leave the country?

The corporations will rule America forever.

[armyowalgreens]

20. I don't know. After school, I'd like to move out of the US.

But I also feel like it's important the liberals stick around to try and get justice for the American people.

[Obamanaut]

32. Public/state university? Living at home? Grants/student loans?

Covered by parents' health insurance? Access to reliable public transportation for school/work?

If any or all apply, don't sacrifice too much by leaving too soon.

[armyowalgreens]

33. Full scholarship, comfortable job and I'm on parents insurance.

I'm in a good spot right now.


Reliable transportation is a bit questionable. But when I move next to ASU in a few weeks I'll be right by the light rail.

[Obamanaut]

36. So you're going to wait until you empty the cookie jar before you

make your move. What a man! Don't test your convictions too much.

[armyowalgreens]

38. How is that defying my convictions?

I think everyone deserves the best education possible. I am lucky enough to have my tuition paid for.

If I uproot myself and move to another country, I would be throwing away the opportunity of a good education. That would set back my efforts to join the peace corp and would hinder my future wishes to participate in US politics.

Which is another reason why I'm not sure that I want to leave. I think abandoning the US is kind of selfish.

[rvablue]

71. Where exactly do you think that "full scholarship" comes from?

Because they are usually funded by corporations, or rich individuals who made money in the corporate world or from endowments, which invest in the stock market.

And don't use Peace Corps as an excuse to back peddle from your assertion that you might move. You'd still be a US citizen, and hence eligible for the Peace Corps. In fact, if you moved to a country with a different language than English, it would increase your chances of being accepted.

The same goes for politics. YOu have a lot to learn about plain, simple facts. You can move anywhere you want -- you'd still be a U.S. citizen and could run for any country in the land on your return (given that you were born here, that is.)

[armyowalgreens]

99. Explain to me how I can get a good education ANYWHERE

without somehow playing into the corporate world?

I could have refused my scholarship. I could have paid for school myself. But I wouldn't have been able to go to any private or public university. I would have had to start out at a community college. Which means I miss the chance to be in the honors college that I am currently in. Which means that I would be missing out on all the opportunities I am now afforded.

Plus, where the hell do you think the student loans come from? Do they come from jesus fucking christ? No, they come from the "evil" banks.

You assume that there is a way to get a good education without playing into the corporate world. Do you think there is some magical land where corporations don't control everything? Please I would love to know where this utopia is so I can leave immediately.

Every country has the same problems with corporate greed. I just happen to believe that the US is worse than most.

[Donnachaidh]

57. and how does this differ from any of the wealthy companies in this country?

Wow - attacking someone who is doing EXACTLY what the corporations AND the *public servants* do on a regular basis. :eyes:

[create.peace]

115. weren't you just here a while ago complaining about not having a job

then you got one? comfortable job means you are not the last one hired, first fired....

and since when did anyone get asked for their registered political affiliation. like carded....

[armyowalgreens]

120. I got a good job about 2 weeks ago.

I don't believe anyone gets carded. But then again, I highly doubt you'd register as a republican. It's all about supporting who you think is best for the job. I no longer believe in the democratic party. I believe in certain members of the party, but not the leadership.

[pokercat999]

41. Corporations do rule America and will rule America

until the middle-class is dissolved. Unfortunately I believe there is only one way out, the Iranians are showing us the way, too bad Americans don't love freedom as much as they do.

[voc]

96. Americans don't know what freedom is...

So how can they love something they have never really had?


to the OP. Good Luck.

[ima_sinnic]

15. sheesh, I can't believe the a-hole comments on this thread

I, too, am leaving the Democratic Party and registering Independent as soon as I close on a new house in a new town next week.
My concerns and issues are being actively ignored and even ridiculed, and the party no longer represents me or my interests, or the interests of Americans as a whole for that matter. I'm not a CEO, so it's no longer my party.
I love returning the pathetic fund appeals of the DCCC and all the others with scathing notes, with return postage on their dime.

[NNN0LHI]

16. You signed up here on May 09th 2009 to tell us this?

How long have you been a Democrat?

Don

[armyowalgreens]

17. Going on two years now.

[NNN0LHI]

18. And what were you before that?

[armyowalgreens]

19. Nothing.

I am only 20.

I have been a political junkie for about 6 years now. I shifted from moderate-conservative all the way to the far left. But I've been in the far left for about 2 years.

[NNN0LHI]

23. Went from moderate-conservative all the way to the far left?

I knew something was wrong with this picture for almost a couple of weeks now. Apparently with good reason.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=5808939#5815406

[armyowalgreens]

25. When I left religion, I left the right.

It's amazing how your political views can fundamentally change by simply leaving a religion.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

88. Because all 20 year olds should know everything.

:eyes:

[TheWatcher]

93. Coming from someone who knows a lot less than he thinks.

And proudly displays it on a regular basis.

:eyes:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

110. That's why you've never substantively responded to any of my posts.

:eyes: :toast:

David

[armyowalgreens]

119. I never said I had to know everything...

But there is a point when someone decides that sitting back and learning is coming at the cost of taking action. At what age am I able to actually make a claim for myself? 21? 25? 30?

I don't pretend to know everything. But when I figure something out, I take action.

[mitchum]

113. I called the poster on having the fervor of the newly converted a month ago...

but he did not own up to it at the time.
It's very gratifying to see that I was right, but then again, that is usually the case.
People are easy to read.

[armyowalgreens]

117. It's pretty easy for me to read that you are a prick...

I've noticed that a lot around here. You are the bully that gets his shits and giggles from demeaning everyone else. If anyone's a keyboard commando on here, it's you.

I will give you this, you know how to push buttons. But in a world that should be about making friends, that trait comes at a mighty big cost.


2 years membership is not newly converted. That's 10 percent of my life. And almost half of my political life.


I honestly have no clue what month old conversation you are talking about.
But I'm glad you get your kicks from being right. That is in no way pretentious or pathetic.

[me b zola]

68. When did this shift occur?

All of your posts that I have read seems to come from a conservative point of view. Now, seemingly overnight the party isn't left enough for you? :wtf:


Edited to add what I found in your profile:
I'm a self-loathing liberal and understand that I am the oppressor.

[armyowalgreens]

118. Conservative point of view?

What are you talking about? I have consistently demonstrated that I am a liberal in here.

In fact, I've been attacked by some older people for being too "bleeding heart".


My profile quote is a fact of life. We all are the oppressor. I'm just willing to admit that I am part of the problem as well as being part of the solution. No one here is an angel.

[Mari333]

21. do whatever works for you

I vote all over the place. depends on the position of any of them. never voted republican, however. theres all kinds of parties, vote for whomever you wish to. you dont have to vote straight ticket to post on here, i dont know why people think that. thats just silly.

[armyowalgreens]

24. I'll still vote democrat.

Assuming they either support my views or are the closest to my views.

[Mari333]

28. ..

:)

[nini]

67. WTF????

This is the dumbest shit I've seen in sometime.

Most of us vote Democratic because it is the party most aligned with our views. It is still the best option to get things done we want. Doesn't mean it's perfect. It's our job to keep working on it to make it what we want.

Do you really think you're the only one who feels a bit frustrated?


Unbelievable.

[create.peace]

116. and so why did you think your changing your registration is worth posting here? nt

[Deja Q]

22. Do I get a toaster? Will people have sex with me, what with share and share alike and all?

And I don't want cooties either.

[armyowalgreens]

26. Community sex partners? I'll see what I can do.

[tavalon]

47. Socialists aren't really that social

[HughMoran]

27. I appreciate your honesty

It's better to just state your true feelings than post 100% negativity here but claim to be a Dem.

[paulsby]

29. good

the democratic party needs socialism like i need a compound fracture.

[Fumesucker]

31. Says someone with good insurance coverage..

And is most likely one of the few union members left in America these days.

[paulsby]

34. i'm all for socialized medicine

socialized medicine =/= socialism in general.

[tavalon]

48. Why in the world do you think you need a compound fracture

I respectfully disagree that you require such a nasty broken bone.

[derby378]

35. 2006 was only the warmup, 2008 was the overture

The first movement of the opera itself hasn't even begun. Hang in there.

[G_j]

37. I can't remember a time when I did feel welcome...

though, I'm still a registered Dem and I always vote.

[alarimer]

39. I stopped being a Democrat after this election.

Actually after the primaries. All we get are corporate whores and I am through with them. Obama is a liar, just like every other politician. He's been breaking promises left and right. I no longer care who is in charge. "Change" my ass.

[Butch350]

42. WC?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

43. Buh Bye Now!

:hi:

[Kansas Wyatt]

44. Everyone here can flame all they want, but...

Before they do, they had better take a second look at the Republican Party after the last election. If a Party will not represent 'We The People' over Corporate America, it ends up like the Republicans in the last election. If the Democrats think that people will never vote for the Republicans again, they may be right, but the Democrats still need 'We The People' to actually get out to vote for them.

With the way the Democrats have been sucking Corporate American cock, after the next elections, they will have a lot of time on their hands to ponder why they could have lost to a 30% Republican.

Here's a clue for you dumb ass politicians, and their underlings... If you do not represent 'We The People,' then the people will NOT turn out to vote for you. Laugh all you want about how little support your opponent has, but your opponent will kick your ass, when you ONLY talk about representing 'We The People' over Corporate America.

[glitch]

51. If the Republican party is no longer viable, the Democrats won't need We The People anymore.

We're only needed when there is a contest. With the Republican party at 28% there is no contest.

Regardless, they've figured out a way to get our votes by prozy, and they own the proxies (non-transparent vote counting systems). The Corporatist candidate will win.

[saltpoint]

46. Last night I read this thread and thought better of responding.

But it's Saturday morning now and I think I will go right ahead and say it's a load of bullshit.

Some of us have been around the Democratic Party for some time. We're lookin' pretty strong right now, in fact. Popular president. Elevated discussion of key issues. A shrinking and squawking opposition party becoming more regional and more irrelevant by the hour.

[Joe Fields]

61. oh boy, oh boy, our side won! how's that working out for ya?

[YvonneCa]

64. This isn't a sports...

...event.

[Joe Fields]

65. no shit...

[YvonneCa]

90. ...

...:7

[TheWatcher]

102. A lot of apologists on DU seem to think it is.

[saltpoint]

91. It's workin' good, Joe. I voted for Obama in November and I'd

vote for him again right now.

I think we're looking at a 2-termer, definitely.

[TheWatcher]

94. Translation: "I Support The Football Team and Ignore all other relevant things that don't make me

feel good."

Graze On.

[saltpoint]

95. I don't care for pro football much. I'm reasonably aware of

"relevant" things.

[TheWatcher]

101. It's a metaphor.

As far as your second point, to quote George Clooney, "I kind of doubt that."

[saltpoint]

106. Well I certainly wouldn't want to defy George Clooney. You sure bring out

the big guns in a hurry.

[TheWatcher]

126. Keep sucking from the Propaganda Juice Box if it makes you happy.

After all, it's about Perception, not Truth.

Back To Sleep, little lamb.

[saltpoint]

128. I'm not so much positioned on the lion-lamb scale but rather

more on the muskellunge-pine tree scale.

But it's prescription-only.

[YvonneCa]

111. I owe you an apology, saltpoint. I actually agree with what you said here...

...and it seemed to me like OTHERS were turning things into a political game (or sport). The 'sport' or 'game' aspect leads to divisiveness. I am for UNITY...of the party, and of the country. That doesn't mean we shouldn't debate or have our own unique perspectives and opinion. It just means we have to be aware of attempts to use that to divide us (divide and conquer) and to guard against that. Democrats can be diverse and have diverse opinion (IMHO) but what makes us Democrats is still important to protect.

[saltpoint]

114. Not to worry, Yvonne. We're totally cool. And besides,

I was under the fog of about 450 micrograms of acid, so I really don't even REMEMBER what I typed!


:hi:

[armyowalgreens]

123. That would all be great

if only the popular president or majority party in congress had the balls to put forth some substantive legislation.

What have we gotten that has been progressive out of these people? What have they given the American people that is different than what we got with the last guy?

I'm seeing the same corruption, deception and candy coated bullshit that I have been seeing for as long as I can remember.

[saltpoint]

129. If you're in the emergency room of History, do what you can to help.

Send a daily email to your two U.S. Senators. And to your U.S. Congressman/woman. Also to the White House. Consider a letter to the daily paper. If any of your grandparents / aunts / uncles are still alive and members of the American Association of Retired Persons get the address of that organization and send an email letter to them as well, copying your grandparents and also asking them to do the same.

Contact media. Ask that their coverage reflect the public will. Cite this week's CBS / NYTimes poll in which over 70% of voters prefer a public option regarding their health care.

If you want contact phone numbers and email addresses, PM me.

No one can stop anyone who wants to leave the Democratic Party. But IMO it amounts to a temper-tantrum when the battle is worth staying and fighting for.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

49. Hope you stick around DU just to annoy the apologists.

[SammyWinstonJack]

54. +1

:evilgrin:

[donco]

50. click your heels together

maybe that will get you back to Kansas

[Vickers]

53. Adios, Mr. Morose.

You've seen a lot these last few years months days.

:rofl:

[bvar22]

55. K&R

I would rather work for something I believe in
than waste my time and money supporting something that works AGAINST my interests.

I used to mercilessly ridicule Middle Class Republicans for voting AGAINST their own Economic Interests.....
NOW I'm in the same boat.



"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[newspeak]

56. watched Bill Maher last night

And, the issue was single payer health care. Towards the end of his program, he ridiculed the notion that Obama is a liberal or socialist. He stated that what we have is a center right democratic party against a far right wacko party. There is no liberalism. Instead of fearing "socialism" or "capitalism"--there needs to be a happy balance. I'm not for the government socializing every business, neither am I for run away predatory capitalism. We, as a people, as a whole, are better off when we take care of our own. Becoming a better educated populace strengthens our democracy, taking care of our old and young citizens aids our communities against crime and poverty, which decreases fear, ignorance and division (which unfortunately our MSM seems to love to propagate). Regulation of industry protects citizens and investors--what we have today, to me, are some of the most sociopathic, greedy, corrupt individuals in industry who could care less about the American people or, in fact, this country. They "use" our money to further their gain with no thought of "we the people." We fight their resource stealing wars, we give them our money used for war profiteering (so they make money on wars and stealing resources), while we get the shaft.

When a government is spending approximately ten billion dollars a month on a war we were lied into (six years now)--while * decreased federal funding to all states, but especially to democratic states--while * further deregulated corporations and allowed his "base" to have a feeding frenzy at the trough--what did people expect to happen to our economy?

I am a Social Democrat, and like you, I will vote for those candidates who seem to have the majority of the American people as their interest--not the corporations.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

58. These past few years have actually driven me farther left

and I was a nuclear freeze, anti-interventionist, union-supporting type in the 1980s, so that's saying a lot.

If the Democratic Party had actually stuck up for democratic ideals, even if they knew it was futile (for example, if they had voted against the Patriot Act instead of voting for it without reading it), I'd be a lot more favorable toward them.

The Dems need to know that they're losing a lot of the most informed people. Oh, Obama still has a lot of fans, but mostly among people who get all their news by glancing at the TV occasionally. They come across as more star-struck than well-informed. Those who are concerned about specific issues, such as peace, health care, financial reform, or Constitutional rights, range from worried to totally disgusted.

There was once a party that existed in time of crisis for this nation. It refused to take a firm stand on the greatest issue of the day, not wanting to alienate swing voters. After all, where would the more idealistic voters go? But a new party arose that took a firm stand, and the timid party died out, while the new party elected a president.

If you don't know what I'm talking about, google "Whigs."

[lame54]

59. Not all DU'ers are in the party

[Joe Fields]

60. true liberals have no place in this party anymore.

gone is the party of f.d.r...

it's all one big party now. everything else is posturing for show. all the dems in washington are doing now is just putting their stamp on the same corruption that went on during the bush years.

when are americans going to understand this?

[placton]

63. Yup n/t

[YvonneCa]

112. I hope you don't really believe...

...that. :)

[placton]

62. OMG! WE MUST SACRIFICE A DU VIRGIN

to appease the gods - you have sinned against the sacred Democratic Party - keeping its powder dry since 1968

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

73. I will set off on a quest to find one

but I think I'd have better luck with the Holy Grail thing.

:hi:

[magellan]

100. LOL, is that the party's new motto?

"keeping its powder dry since 1968"

If not, it should be.

[nini]

66. Oh the DRAMA!!

bye

[MilesColtrane]

69. I used to vote third party when I was in my 20s.

But, I decided that If I wanted to do something that just made me feel good and didn't influence the outcome of elections, I'd sit at home and masturbate.

[Vickers]

77. Forwarded to JeffR.

Pretty much the textbook definition of a DUzy.

:thumbsup:

[patriotvoice]

70. "Democrat" is a label. How you vote, and where you put your money, is all that matters.

In my opinion, the most rationale course is to register Independent, unless you're a dyed-in-the-wool ideologue.

[HamdenRice]

72. I'm sure the tens of millions of reliable Democratic voters give a shit

about a keyboard warrior and tax supported student deciding s/he's too pure to be a Democratic Party member.

Btw, see ya election year when I'm sure you'll vote down the "correct" column for actually getting anything done.

[proteus_lives]

75. See ya....

On the flipside.

[subcomhd]

78. Maybe Nader will run again

Back when you were 12 years old, that man gave voice to those on the left who saw no difference between the two major parties. And I guess for those who really believe Al Gore would have been no diferrent than W, that support for Nader can still be justified. In a system that has always been and always will be two-party, splitting the left will assure the victory of the right. You may not see it, but the work of young people like you has already moved the country and the Democratic Party to the left. Obama is a much more progressive president than Clinton was. The party itself is much more progressive than it was in th 90s.

[ima_sinnic]

79. Obama is "much more progressive" than Clinton? when did that happen?

Obama is nowhere NEAR "progressive." He's bailed out on holding the torturers and traitors accountable, he's making only a wishy-washy appeal for a "public option" (forget single-payer), he's given billions to the banks and Wall St., his DOJ went out of its way to defend DOMA in the most odious terms,etc. etc. Wake me up when he grows a pair and does something even halfway "progressive." Until then, I'm solidly with the OP and will vote for Nader or some other third-party candidate in 2012 if this is the best they can do.

[subcomhd]

80. It began in February

In $3.6 Trillion Budget, Obama Signals Broad Shift in Priorities
Bold Agenda for Social Spending, Energy and Taxes Faces Fierce Fight

"President Obama delivered to Congress yesterday a $3.6 trillion spending plan that would finance vast new investments in health care, energy independence and education by raising taxes on the oil and gas industry, hedge fund managers, multinational corporations and nearly 3 million of the nation's top earners."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/02/26/ST2009022601696.html

[subcomhd]

82. just like bush lol

"It’s been a remarkable two-plus months for those whose priority is expanding public investment into health care, education, housing and other domestic programs. Progressives have made more gains in these areas than during the eight years of the Clinton Administration, with even once third-rail programs like legal services and arts and humanities getting a spending boost."
http://www.laprogressive.com/2009/04/08/the-obama-progressive-agenda-a-progress-report/


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[Odin2005]

81. And the Socialist candidate gets what, 10,000 votes?

:rofl:

[TheKentuckian]

83. Ah, the rinse and repeat path to NATIONAL FAIL

Great! We appreciate your contribution to the nation's next lurch to the right.

:sarcasm: :sarcasm:

Everytime...the same shit! Fucking amazing.

Letting the world burn in order to stand on "principle" is not something to be respected, in my opinion. In fact, I'd have to say my emotional reaction is much closer to contempt than admiration. The Democratic party isn't taking the hit or learning any lesson, not the real ones. It is "We, The People" who suffer the almighty reaming with the gravel and the bacon grease and it is "We, The People" who start the journey with more miles to go than we saw from our last trip to a mountain top.

We need a lil more lockstep here on the "left". We'd live in a much better world if at every turn motherfucker weren't dropping out, tuning out, and turning away. We wouldn't have a perfect world, we'd still be a fair piece from any semblance of Utopia but this country wouldn't be in near the trouble we are in today.

A walk on part in the war is a far more meaningful choice than the lead role in a cage. That's my view. People must do what they feel in their bones but I fiercely wish they would do so in ways the benefit the many.

[armyowalgreens]

98. I feel that supporting the democratic party is not benefiting the many...

This isn't about principle. It's about the fact that the Democratic party is now run by either spineless fools or money grubbing power mongers. How is supporting that party going to get anything done for the people?


You want to talk about the people? You want me to be a little more lockstep? I refuse to stand in line as the Democratic party turns the US into a fucking police state.

Don't give me that Loyalist bullshit. I am loyal to what I think is best for the people. And what is best for the people is not closing your eyes and hoping for the best. Sorry.

[BlooInBloo]

84. Bye.

[NoPasaran]

85. Don't forget to pick up your crown of thorns on the way out the door, comrade

[JNelson6563]

107. lol

Good to see you NP.

[hfojvt]

86. so long, right eye, you were good while you lasted

Now I am gouging you out to spite my face.

[TheWatcher]

103. In the Kingdom Of The Blind (That Would Be You) The Man With One Eye Is King.

[symbolman]

87. So...

Has the kid left yet? Or are they basking in all the attention..

Oh, Still Here?

Well then, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out..

[Binka]

127. Barbie Brat Just Can't Decide If He Should Drive The Pink Car Or The Blue

Barbie Brat is so confubulated.

[kenny blankenship]

89. It wasn't that good.

Be honest now.

[Oregone]

97. Tend your own garden

Candide. Read it. Take a breathe. Give up. Start over. Resign again. Live for nothing and live free

[rucky]

109. I'm with you, but strategically...

Would it be more effective to have a strong progressive wing, supporting viable primary challenges to the DCCC stooges?

I'm not sure what to do, myself. Maybe a mass exodus is just what we need, but it seems the mainstream Dems wouldn't care, as long as they're picking off support from moderates and getting the big corporate donations. Plus, the Republicans would welcome it.

[armyowalgreens]

121. I use to feel that I should support the democrats so the republicans don't win...

But I realized that isn't helping this country. Sometimes compromise is a good thing. But sometimes it comes back to bite you in the ass.

At this point, it seems that I am being just as important to this country by supporting what I believe is right. I might be in the minority, but if every progressive thought like me, people like Kucinich would be much closer to the white house by now.

[Forkboy]

125. The problem lies in the fact that not every progressive thinks like you.

So it's merely wishful thinking. Trust me, I've had the same thoughts over the years, but it's not realistic in the slightest bit. You can leave the Dems and join any party you want, but with the way our two party system is setup all you'll be doing is guaranteeing that your own voice will be even weaker than you feel it is now.

[Oak2004]

122. One point you might consider

The US affiliate of the Socialist International, Democratic Socialists of America, is not a political party.

http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html

Though, there are a few US socialist parties unaffiliated with the SI, and certainly a few Leninist and Trotskyist parties.

[armyowalgreens]

124. I'm liking Socialist Party USA.

Although I tend to part ways on a couple issues. But compared to any other party, they are the closest to my views.