Did anyone see Dr Dean say on Rachael Maddow that Obama did not know that the DOJ

[county worker]

was defending DOMA the way it did and that he certainly would not support the wording of the DOJ's brief?

Not that it matters to some here.

[VenusRising]

1. Well, then Obama should say it publicly.

[LostinVA]

8. Yup --- he's known about it for quite a few days now

And, I like Dr. Dean alot, but he's not exactly a WH insider (alas).

[AntiFascist]

37. Exactly...

using Dr. Dean as a mouthpiece and posting pretty words on obscure websites is as cowardly as it gets.

[NJmaverick]

2. Dean works for the Obama administration?

How does he come by this information?

[blm]

3. IMO, it's a Chief of Staff problem. They relied on too many Clinton retreads instead of going

after the long-exiled progressives willing to serve. The Clintonites had the experience, but, unfortunately, it was lots of experience compromising with the GOP's reactionary wing.

[joeybee12]

21. Are you a rubber band?

Because that is one phucking amazing stretch!

[blm]

24. No, it isn't. More progressive hires, including at DoJ, would have been preferable for many of us

hoping for a real progressive overhaul at long last. However, it is apparent that the 'experience' argument took hold, regardless of the fact that much of that 'experience' was in compromising far too much with the Republicans.

Obama wouldn't have been overseeing those hires - his Chief of Staff was almost certainly in charge of what the President knew about hires and promotions and, yes, what he knew about the wording contained in legal briefs.

[joeybee12]

28. Obama personally selected the guy who wrote the brief...n/t

[blm]

31. But, overseeing the output? I doubt it. In my opinion Howard Dean has a more accurate view

on this particular brief and its wording.

[joeybee12]

36. The buck stops here...

...apparently the buck gets passed around in this administration...and since Obama hasn't said anything about it, and Dean is speaking for himself and guessing...I'd say the guy who wrote this was pretty confident Obama wouldn't care that he included that crap.

[blm]

39. The buck STOPS with Obama, certainly, but imo, Dean's right that Obama didn't see this brief and...

it's almost certain that the Chief of Staff did.

That's all I'm saying. Obama doesn't get a free pass from me - That should be obvious, by now, even though I do support his presidency.

[madfloridian]

4. He did not say that for sure. I put the video up in DU videos.

He said he probably did not know....but that is beside the point.

There is no excuse for the language used toward gays in that bill.

None. Let's be honest...someone dropped the ball on this issue big time.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=325077&mesg_id=325077

Let's stop defending that which can not be defended.

Read this:

http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/11427/the-obama-admin-defends-doma-in-a-brief-comparing-marriage-equality-to-incest

It's a little slow loading, but keep trying.

[madfloridian]

5. Trying to defend the indefensible gets ridiculous after a while.

[LostinVA]

10. The OP has gotten good at defending this tripe

[county worker]

15. There is no defense needed for the truth. You need a defense.

The stretches you go through to put this on Obama's door step is the tripe.

[LostinVA]

17. I'm not the one working overtime turning into a pretzel

[county worker]

32. Really?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[joeybee12]

23. Why are you here? Seriously?

Does it give you some perverse thrill to be wrong?

[county worker]

33. I find it rather telling that when someone can't make a good defense of their point they

slam the other person.

[konnichi wa]

27. I wouldn't ever call you a goose-stepper.

...

[county worker]

34. Touche

[napi21]

6. It would not surprise me if the Prez didn't know the wording in a brief.

It is the job of the DOHJ to defend the current law.

[ThirdWorldJohn]

7. Well he is busy getting the hamburgers - Like that is all he has to do. n/t

[LostinVA]

9. Who are the "some here" posters you are referring to?

[Starry Messenger]

11. Well you know what "some people" are like.

:eyes:

I think this poster has stated that he never pays attention to screen names when he replies, so I guess a little broadbrush poisoning of the well was the point here.

[LostinVA]

12. Seriesly

[county worker]

14. Isn't that obvious?

Obama did not defend DOMA.

Obama did not write the brief.

Obama does not support the wording in the brief.

Now just watch the postings to this post if you don't know.

[LostinVA]

16. No, who are "these" people?

[Starry Messenger]

18. Well, I sure as shit hope he punishes the one who did it.

And any three year old knows he didn't write it with his own hanny-hands. "Obama" means "the Obama administration", just like when we say "Bush", "Nixon", "Taft", etc we are usually referring to their administration.

[madfloridian]

20. Obama has known for days now. It is his DOJ...his responsibility.

I am proud to be one of the ones you are accusing.

Some here are failing to see the intense hurt to a group of people because they are falling over their own feet defending every thing Obama does.

[mitchtv]

42. two lies in one post

keep it up
no he didn't write it , he authorized a scumbag to do it

[thereismore]

13. Yes. Weak. nt

[madfloridian]

19. Video

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=325077&mesg_id=325077

And while the video only has a few recommends here at DU, which is hardly surprising....the top recommended diary at Daily Kos is about the video.

[Starry Messenger]

22. Thanks for the head's up.

I k&r'd.

[konnichi wa]

25. It sure as fuck doesn't matter to ME what Dean did or didn't say.

...

[madfloridian]

26. It matters to a lot of people that someone spoke out clearly on this.

It matters a lot.

[konnichi wa]

29. Don't get me wrong, I think it's disgusting that Obama has failed to say one single word

about this. I doubt Dean knows much if anything about the innards of the WH or DOJ...that's all I was saying.
I agree with you on this.
:-)

[madfloridian]

30. The "innards" of the WH are controlled by the DLC conservadems

And Obama is apparently in a bubble surrounded by them.

I don't think Dean spoke about innards, he spoke about caring and humanity. You just don't use those words to talk about gay people he said.

[Sebastian Doyle]

35. If only John Edwards had kept his dick in his pants

He would have made one Hell of an Attorney General :evilfrown:

[depakid]

38. The DOJ under Obama's watch has remained deplorable

and not just in this instance. It's getting past the point where anyone can simply look the other way at what's been going on.

[s-cubed]

40. It's a little absurd to think that Prez Obama would personally read

the brief. He's got better things to do than micromanage that way.

On the other hand, I would have hoped that the lawyer's superior at DOJ would have had the good sense to take out all those crazy comparisons before submitting it. I'm no lawyer, so I don't know if DOJ is obligated to defend DOMA in court or not, but those words sound like a Monica Goodling holdover who wants to embarrass the President.

[blm]

41. certainly plausible....here's hoping that a correction is on its way...

.

[mitchtv]

43. ah yes HOPE

good luck, I won't be holding my breath

[QC]

44. Then let's hear it from Obama.

Lord knows he's capable of speaking.

[Toasterlad]

45. Does Dean Speak For Obama? Is This a New Cabinet Position? Secretary of Sucking Up?

If Obama didn't know the DOJ was defending DOMA the way it did, and if he would not support the wording of the brief, then he can open his oh-so-eloquent mouth and say so. Until then, he OWNS this abortion. And my contempt.