sick and tired of the term Gay Marriage.

[GreenInNC]

Marriage is not gay or straight. Marriage is between two people who love each other. What we are talking about here is extending to all people the freedom to marry whomever they want to.

My 15 year marriage is not a straight marriage, it is a marriage plain and simple.

[MineralMan]

1. Lucky for you, eh? You fell in love with someone of the opposite

sex. A pity not every couple can marry, though, isn't it? Wouldn't want to upset any applecarts by giving a name to those marriages, eh?

We have to call it something, since it only exists in six states, don't we?

[KittyWampus]

4. Civil Marriage works for me.

[zipplewrath]

2. Unigender

I get your point, but we need a name for what we are discussing. I prefer unigender.

[Kerrytravelers]

3. I always use the term Marriage Equality.

[ColbertWatcher]

5. I've been trying to use this term too. n/t

[bluedawg12]

15. Yup. "Marriage equality." Good choice.

:thumbsup:

[nc4bo]

6. I don't like the term Gay Marriage either - same reasons.

The term Interracial Marriage sucked too and I'd be griping about that one but it was way before my time. I don't much like terms that describe what is different about us or that imply that any person or group of people are unworthy of fair and equal treatment.

I do like what someone posted up thread; Marriage Equality!

[thereismore]

7. Opposite marriage? Just joking. nt

[TuxedoKat]

8. I'm glad you posted this.

I will just use Marriage or Marriage Equality too, like a previous poster suggested, as I had the same thought for that term right after reading your post.

[AntiFascist]

9. This distinction is imposed by the laws and the courts and the religious right...

I happen to be gay and married to a same sex partner, but the religious right is currently attacking the status of my, and others', marriages in California. They are not fighting marriages in general.

[Toasterlad]

10. No One's More Sick and Tired of It Than Gay People.

One day, when it's legal for everyone, it WILL be just "marriage". Until then, while it's only legal for some, it has to be qualified.

[Deep13]

11. Marriage equality is what we really want....

...not two catagories: gay and hetero.

[David__77]

12. Marriage for same sex couples.

Or, better, "marriage rights for same sex couples." It's more unwieldy, though, than "gay marriage," and so we'll have trouble with that. "Marriage equality" is another good term, more compact, but off mark a bit.

[nc4bo]

14. How come Marriage Equality is off the mark a bit?

...sorry, just trying to understand why M.E. is not an accurate enough description of what our gay friends deserve.

[David__77]

17. Because we're talking about marriage itself and not the right to it.

There's a subtle distinction. I'm gay by the way.

[nc4bo]

18. But it is a right for 2 people who love each other (any 2 people)

to enjoy the exact same benefits of living in a country whose creation was based on freedom.

It is a natural right for you (or me) to love who we want to love.

It should also be a legal right for you to be legally joined to whomever you wish to be joined and share any and all happiness (or misery) and benefits of that legal union - just like hetero couples. You are being denied something that any other hetero couple takes for granted and that is wrong.

Since gay marriages (sometimes even the relationship itself) are not widely recognized as legal than you are being denied your rights to be treated as equal members of society.

I keep thinking back to a DU post of a man who was not allowed to see his lover as he was dying in hospital. His lover's family was there but barred the gentlemen from even saying goodbye to his partner. Horrible.

A legal piece of paper would have prevented that from happening even if the family disapproved.

You and your partner could technically "jump the broom" and marry like slaves did but since slaves were treated as less than's, the union basically meant nothing.

You and your partner could utter "I do's" and have 1000 people at the ceremony but in many places, it means nothing.

Of course, I guess you could travel to a state where marriage (or CV's) were recognized but what then when you return home to a state that does not recognize? What good is it if your partner gets sick (or God forbid - dies) and his family wants you nowhere near him or makes claims on his estate?

Marriage Equality would/should be equal to a heterosexual couple's legally recognized marriage.


sigh.......I'm probably missing the point here.

[Kerrytravelers]

22. I've used Marriage Equality because I present the argument as a Human Equality issue.

I'm straight, by the way.

I don't mean disrespect, but as a married straight person, this is the best way me and Mr. kt can express our support- by presenting it as it is, equal to our love/marriage, in all way, shapes and forms.

[closeupready]

13. Amen. K&R

n/t

[QC]

16. Thank you! n/t

:kick:

[damntexdem]

19. It took a long time to even get gay marriage on the radar.

Now don't complain about the looks of the blip.

[nc4bo]

21. All this talking about it sure can't hurt?

Regardless of what we call it, the topic is presently screaming down the highway on wheels of fire, as it should be.

[NMMNG]

20. But if we do away with the term Gay Marriage,

What will the RRRW do with all of their scare quotes? ;-)

[nichomachus]

23. "Gay marriage" is a misnomer

It should be "same-sex marriage." Gay people have always been allowed to be married - as long as they married someone of the opposite sex. Many of my gay friends were married at one time or another.

[readmoreoften]

24. Not to mention that transgender people and many intersexed persons face the same dilemma.

See the Christie Lee Littleton case in Texas. In 32 counties she can only marry a woman, in the rest of the state she can only marry a man. I believe she is a partial AIS female (intersexed, born XY with female characteristics) who fully transitioned to "female" but is genetically male.

[mnhtnbb]

25. It's a wedding and a marriage. Here's what I say:

I want nothing more than to be able to one day be mother of the groom at weddings of both my sons, should
they be so lucky to find a life partner to love, honor and cherish.

It shouldn't matter in the slightest that one son is gay and one is straight.