The Fact Is, It No Longer MATTERS Whether Or Not Ahmadi-nejad Won Fairly

[WeDidIt]

That's no longer at issue.

Waht is at issue is a Green Revolution is happening right now in Iran. People are uprising against the status quo, those who rule are split amongst themselves, outsiders have apparently been brought in to be brutal where native security forces refuse to, and Ahamdi-nejad is fearful of the populace.

I've seen this once in my life. IT's happened maybe twice in the past 60 years.

It happened before in Romania in 1989. Nicolae Ceauşescu and his wife were killed by the masses.

I remember those events, and the current state of events in Iran are eerily familiar to those events.

It's also very similar to what happened in Cuba in 1959 when Castro threw out Batista.

Whether or not the current state of affairs will reach the level of those two events remains to be seen. What's crystal clear is, the actual results of the election will probably never be known, but it's entirely too late to alter the course of events.

They will play out.

This is about Iran and the Iranian people. My opinion is, it is doubtful the Islamic Republic of IRan will survive in any form resembling what it was for the past thirty years.

[WeDidIt]

1. Shameless Self Kick And Another Comment

This also reminds me of one other event in my life. The Tiananman Square protests of 1989.

And this event could either be a repeat of Tiananman Square, or Romania.

I feel as helpless, yet as hopeful as I felt during both of those events.

[BlooInBloo]

2. Well, it does kinda matter. It's less likely there'd be a revolution going on...

if he HAD truly won the election.

[jberryhill]

3. Phillipines... Berlin Wall...

[brooklynite]

25. Yes, but...

Both the Philippines and Romania required some element of the existing governing mechanism to switch its alliance from the Regime to the protesters. Its admittedly early, but I haven't seen a sign that anyone with power is willing to switch sides in Iran.

[Alamuti Lotus]

4. very similar to what happened in Georgia, Ukraine, Moldova...

oh wait, those are all bad examples of other contrived government-media spin veiling an imperialist fist at work.

[Odin2005]

6. Bullshit.

You Ahmadinejad apologists can go to a certain hot and fiery place.

[Alamuti Lotus]

9. Thorough and insightful rebuttal, thanks

I learned much about you that I knew not before.

[Odin2005]

17. Made just as much sense as your "the US is the source of all evil" claptrap that,,,

...has no place in the Democratic Party. This isn't Maoist Underground.

[Alamuti Lotus]

19. And the hits keep on coming

"I disagree with you, so you can go to Hell. While you're heading there, here's a ridiculous non-sequitor disguised as an insult."

[CreekDog]

30. and your reflexive post was any better?

nope. :eyes:

[shadowknows69]

14. Arizona? I thought you were an atheist?

:P

[Odin2005]

18. LOL!

:rofl:

[RoyGBiv]

5. Green Revolution?

How are you defining that?

[Posteritatis]

7. The opposition in Iran picked the color for themselves

Same way people in Ukraine did with orange, etc.

[RoyGBiv]

13. Okay ...

That makes sense.

Of course the color was chosen by Moussavi supporters well before the election. Are they referring to their movement as analogous to a colour revolution, or is that a Western interpretation of events?

[WeDidIt]

10. That's what it is

Green is the color chosen by the Hossein Mousavi campaign:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aryamehr/3608975470/

[RoyGBiv]

15. As asked above ...

Is the Western media referring to this as a "Green Revolution" or is this something those involved are doing?

Is this a "colour revolution"?

[WeDidIt]

16. That's what Mousavi's Supprters called it n//t

[chill_wind]

20. Allegedly chosen as a symbolic color of "spring" or spring time.

A new season or era of "reform". (According to Iranian guest expert on Olbermann the other nite).

[realisticphish]

21. It's also the holy color of Islam

:shrug:

[Odin2005]

8. Hey Neocons, This is how you spread Democracy and Freedom, EMPOWER THE PEOPLE!

[DatManFromNawlins]

27. The people empowered themselves

They didn't wait for the government to do it for them.

[EFerrari]

11. If this is about the Iranian people, should we be deciding

what the issue is?

[WeDidIt]

12. The rest of the world are merely spectators

Just like in Romania, Tiananmen Square, Cuba, and every other revolution in history.

We cna speculate. We can debate. But that's about all we can do.

[realisticphish]

22. it's the problem with an authoritarian state

we just plain can't see what's happening. At least this is the digital age, and there is a greater chance than in other times that we will see what is happening at some point

[jberryhill]

28. No

But it is odd that there are quite a few "it doesn't matter since the Mullahs rule" posts on these threads, when it is readily apparent that it matters quite a bit to a large number of Iranians whom, one assumes, understand their political system quite well.

[eridani]

23. Here's hoping they can work out some kind of democratic arrangement n/t

[KamaAina]

24. That's "Ahmadi-nutjob" to you

Farsi for "Bush**". :eyes:

[Marr]

26. You know what's really funny? If they do have a revolution, expect every conservative

on television to claim, in unison, that GW Bush deserves the credit.

I can even tell you the form that bullshit will take. They'll say that Bush's gallant push for democracy in Iraq forced the Iranian establishment to spend their resources there, instead of controlling their own people. And the people of Iran, yearning for freedom, seized the opportunity provided by GW Bush.

Basically an updated version of their lame explanation for how Reagan "won the Cold War".

[NashVegas]

31. Well, Considering the First I Heard of All This Was From a RW Nutjob on My Twitter List

I'm inclined to give it to them.

[NashVegas]

29. More Similar to Eastern Europe, By the Look

Aka "people power" and "velvet revolution."

How would you say it compares to Miralores 2002?