Idaho gun enthusiasts target Natl. Guard tanks

[IDemo]

Sport shooters’ actions in state’s high desert lead to calls for wider gun ban

AP -Updated: 1 hour, 13 minutes ago

BOISE, Idaho - For years, ATV-riding, gun-toting sport shooters have flouted gun laws in part of Idaho’s high desert by taking pot shots at ground squirrels and other animals.

Now, officials say, they’re also setting their sights on National Guard tanks that train in the area.

Rifles and pistols have been banned in a 68,000-acre area of the Snake River Birds of Prey National Conservation Area since 1996.

But the federal Bureau of Land Management is considering expanding the gun-restricted area by 41,000 acres to try to limit shootings at Idaho Army National Guard troops who report slugs bouncing off their tanks on a regular basis.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17964382/

[Aviation Pro]

1. I wish....

...the Idaho National Guard would return fire with a sabot round or two.

[w4rma]

2. It seems to me that they would be within their rights to do that. (nt)

[ManiacJoe]

8. HE rounds would have a better chance.

They are a little hard on the landscape though. :evilgrin:

[Aviation Pro]

12. Beehive time would be even better....

....

[Squatch]

14. Tanks don't shoot beehive (APERS-T)

That's in the realm of my beloved Field Artillery.

[Aviation Pro]

16. Same story....different version.....

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[Squatch]

17. Don't ever call a howitzer a "tank"

Them's fightin' words.

[Aviation Pro]

18. If I remember correctly, us old tankers had a beehive time round...

...specifically for the M-60 series. It may have fallen out of use in the ammunition mix because we were more concerned with T-72/80s and BMP than troops (that's what the .50 cal and the 240 were for).

Besides, if I remember correctly from some cross-training, there is a direct fire engagement for the M-109. :-)

[Squatch]

19. The 105mm tanks did have beehive waaay back in ancient times

:evilgrin:

If an M-109 howitzer is getting into a direct fire engagement, things aren't going so well in the battle.

[Aviation Pro]

20. And I am an ancient tanker.....

...Fiddler's Green.

[Squatch]

22. Are you sure you're not a Redleg?

"Fiddler's Green" was also the name of the informal bar at the Ft. Sill Officer's club until the late 1990's.

The legend of Fiddler's Green is still on the wall at the Ft Sill O-club.

[Aviation Pro]

23. Same thing at the club at Ft. Knox....

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[Squatch]

24. "And so rides back to drink again..."

[Scout]

3. gee, I wonder if any of the shooters are (well, WERE) "law-abiding gun owners"

that we hear about all the time...

:eyes:

[SteveM]

27. Probably not. What's your point, Scout? (nt)

[virginia mountainman]

4. Their ARE NOT, "enthusiasts"

They are criminals.....Villafing gun owners is a big problem some of us have. Comments like that are proven to cost us dearly at election time.

Most of us, do own firearms..Many of us would be considered "enthusiasts"...DON'T YOU DARE compare us to criminals.

[Taverner]

6. Exactly

A gun enthusiast is one who has guns as a hobby

These Idaho rednecks are merely criminals hiding behind the enthusiast name

[Lautremont]

7. "Over-enthusiasts," perhaps?

[slackmaster]

13. No, just some fucking assholes shooting illegally

:nuke:

[billbuckhead]

15. It doesn't cost us dearly at electiontime, not counting votes hurts us dearly

AL Gore won the popular vote. All the leading Republican candidates this time all have strong gun control records. Let's quit appeasing these criminals and criminal enablers like the NRA.

[hogwyld]

26. That's always been their sacred cow...

They'll make up any excuse to keep their shootin' irons. I'm sure these rednecks don't have a criminal history, and are legal to own their firearms.

[virginia mountainman]

30. The "sacred cow" is the bill of rights...nt

[billbuckhead]

33. The bill of rights says nothing about guns outside WELL regulated miltias

Gun pimps keep trying to put the most dangerous weapons in the hands of the worst people and call it patriotism when in fact it's terrorism 101. The gun "enthusiasts" have made a cottage industry out of promoting Randy Weaver, David Koresh, David Duke, wacko milita groups, ad nauseum as victims. Go to a gun show and see for yourselves.

[Rage for Order]

35. Regulated = trained

At the time the Constitution was written. The most dangerous weapons in the hands of the worst people? What are they doing, giving the people nuclear weapons?

[billbuckhead]

36. Here's the dictionary definition of regulated, doesn't say a word about trained

reg·u·late Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object), -lat·ed, -lat·ing.
1. to control or direct by a rule, principle, method, etc.: to regulate household expenses.
2. to adjust to some standard or requirement, as amount, degree, etc.: to regulate the temperature.
3. to adjust so as to ensure accuracy of operation: to regulate a watch.
4. to put in good order: to regulate the digestion.

[Rage for Order]

37. Current meaning, yes

Do a little research and you will see that "regulated" was used in a much different sense 250 years ago.

3. to adjust so as to ensure accuracy of operation: to regulate a watch.
4. to put in good order: to regulate the digestion.

So when do the waiting periods begin to buy a watch? They must be regulated.

[SidDithers]

40. Guns were a bit different 250 years ago too...nt

Sid

[dairydog91]

43. So was the press...

The Founding Fathers could never have conceived of a medium like television, or the internet. Should only newspapers be protected by the 1st Amendment?

[billbuckhead]

45. Logical extension to that metaphor is that A-bombs are covered by the 2nd

and so are biochemical agents.

[dairydog91]

47. No.

Nobody claimed that nuclear weapons would be covered by a document meant to protect the right to own firearms.

[SidDithers]

48. Weren't we talking about the 2nd Amendment?..

I didn't realize the Idaho gun enthusiasts were shooting at National Guard tanks with televisions and pneumatic tubes.

Sid

[dairydog91]

49. You can't...

...interpret the Bill of Rights with different techniques for each amendment. Are you saying the 1st Amendment evolves with time (Protecting new forms of media as they are developed), while the 2nd remains static and only protects the arms available at the time? That's not exactly a consistent view of the BOR.

[billbuckhead]

44. It was the Roman meaning, the old English meaning and the meaning today

but magically it was different when it was applied to weapons in 1776. It seems like very meaning of words and reality changes when gun "enthusiasts" come to the defense of their killing machines and the big lie they tell about what the 2nd amendment means.

[dairydog91]

41. The BOR says nothing about....

...guns inside well regulated militias. It states that citizen militias are important, and then enumerates the RKBA in order to ensure that citizens can form those militias. It's rather difficult to form a militia, trained or untrained, if private citizens can't own guns. Nowhere does the BOR state that "people" who have the RKBA must be in a government-organized militia.

[SteveM]

28. Still Roving for the GOP? Listen to Clinton regarding guns and Gore.

[dairydog91]

29. Really

All the leading Republicans? Considering the Reagasms I've seen regarding Fred Thompson, I'd hold my judgement a bit.

[billbuckhead]

32. Fred who?

:freak:

[dairydog91]

39. Fred This...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Thompson

From what I've seen on right wing blogs, a lot of the serious rightwingers have a major hardon for this guy.

[Ghost in the Machine]

34. it's the same thing as calling illegal poachers HUNTERS...

which irks me to no end. They AREN'T hunters, they law breaking criminals who kill animals either out of season or in other illegal ways, such as night hunting (spotlighting) and shooting from roads or vehicles.

These people ARE NOT HUNTERS, and do not reflect the values of true outdoorsmen (and women) and safe, ethical legal hunters. They are CRIMINALS...


PEACE!

Ghost

[aikoaiko]

5. poachers. meh.

[uncle ray]

9. it just proves

that Iraq is just as safe as rural Idaho.

[IDemo]

21. Not so rural

The area in question is just south of Boise, near the airport.

[piedmont]

10. Not "enthusiasts" -- criminals.

Just like people who kill game out of season are not hunters-- they're poachers.

[krispos42]

11. More law enforcement for these idiots.

And if a Blackhawk helicopter happened to hover over a shooter until the wind and blown sand drive them away, then, well, my heart bleeds.

[Aristus]

25. Isn't firing on American troops treason? Isn't that what happened at Ft. Sumter?

Can we blow them away? I'm an ex-tanker, and I'd be perfectly happy to blaze away at those assholes with the Ma Deuce.

Shitheads. :mad: Why do they hate our troops?

[ddeclue]

31. One day one of those tankers will fire back...

with a 155mm shell and that will be the last time anyone plinks at tanks.

:rofl:

Doug D.

[MazeRat7]

50. I was thinking the same thing... hopefully it will show up on youtube for all to see -nt

[KamaAina]

38. Terra! Terra!! Terra!!!

oh, wait a minute, these are white Christians. Never mind. :sarcasm:

[KG]

42. too funny.

[Little Wing]

46. Let the Nat'l Guard shoot back, practice is never a bad thing

[ellisonz]

51. Fun.

[RedCappedBandit]

52. I bet these are the same people...

who so adamantly "support the troops"