New dog and cat killer list

[lonestarnot]

http://www.menufoods.com/recall

[Redstone]

1. Um, I don't think they INTENDED to kill any dogs or cats.

After all, it's kind of bad business to kill your customers, isn't it?

Your subject line is pretty damn unfair to the people who made that pet food. They did NOT do it on purpose, but you're accusing them of deliberatley wanting to kill dogs and cats.

And you KNOW they did not. Give us a fucking break from the inflammatory subject lines, here. OK?

Redstone

[lonestarnot]

3. What the fuck you talking about, they knew about this since December.

[ingac70]

5. Saving a few pennies by buying shite from China IS on purpose.

:hi:

[saracat]

6. Really? My cat is dead from this food and I don't even f****ing care if they did it deliberately.

I think it was "unfair " of them to have my innocent cat suffer and I hope they go bankrupt! Damn straight I want the pet food makers punished.My baby is dead whether it was intentional or not and it is their fault as they didn't do due diligence.And they concealed info from the public for months! They can rot in hell.

[CitizenLeft]

8. I'm so sorry Saracat

I don't blame you. *real tears* We love them so much, and then negligence for profit takes them away? It's unforgivable.

[saracat]

18. You are right. It is unforgivable.

[seriousstan]

9. And that is why we don't allow the victims to determine the penalty.

Emotion.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

11. Lay off

She's hurting and she's not involved in a trial. There's no need to use her pain as an example.

[saracat]

15. Thank you.

[melnjones]

13. Yes, because emotion is a bad thing...

Or, just evidence of the serious nature of the situation at hand.
I have a quote on my MySpace page that says "chances are I like my dog better than you." My dog is my pride and joy, and far more than just a pet. I'm training her as a service dog as well. If something happened to my dog, especially something that was caused by gross negligence and dishonesty, my reaction would be the same or worse than the dear person who posted above.

[saracat]

16. I appreciate your kind words!

[saracat]

14. Excuse me? If a child is murdered we are not supposed to be emotional?

And if you seriously think juries aren't "emotional" in those cases, you are not facing reality. I am emotional but I am also party to the class action and you can bet I want every penny of my vet bills back and I want these miserable corporate bastrds brought to their knees.
And all the facts submitted into evidence in this case will prove that this company is guilty as hell. And this case can be proven be facts but it is the "emotion' that will carry it forward!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

10. I'm so sorry about your fur-baby

You're right it's unfair and I'm sorry you and your beloved cat were involved with this tragedy.

My heart breaks with yours.

[saracat]

17. Thanks again Lone Star Dem. Some even on DU are more

sympathtic to corporations than those that are its victims. It is very sad.

[lonestarnot]

23. Ahhh. Saracat, I'm so sorry.

:cry: :hug:

[Ilsa]

24. I'm so sorry saracat. My condolences. (crying) nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

42. How do you know it was the food?

[laugle]

47. You are absolutely right and I am very sorry for your loss...

[melnjones]

12. There's a fine line

between intentionality and gross negligence. Besides, wouldn't you call testing food that is suspected to be tainted on around 50 dogs and cats to see what happens pretty deliberate? This is just one of many problems in the pet food industry. We're supposed to trust them to have the best interest of our animals in mind, but they have no problem distinguishing between a pet whose owner/parent has money to spend and a lab animal of the same species who has nothing else to offer. You're dealing with people on this board who lost pets or fear losing pets or have been very aware for a long time now that the only way to not fear for their pets' safety is to feed them specialty or homemade diets. You bet emotions are high! You had better believe that if this food had hurt my dog, I'd be the most inflammatory person on DU right now. Hands down.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

40. It's a witchhunt.

You can't expect logic and reason.

[uppityperson]

2. I have an old dog though so I guess he is safe. Old cats too.

[lonestarnot]

4. Depends on what you're feeding them. LOL

[saracat]

7. No animal eating manufactured pet food is safe.

[AndyTiedye]

20. We Don't Have the Extra Hours in The Day to Cook Everything From Scratch for Ourselves

How are we supposed to do this for our pets too?

[saracat]

21. Well, If it was you or a family member, which pets are you find a way.

I am feeding my surviving cat Purina dry that has no wheat gluten and hopefully nothing else in it, but I don't feel "safe'. I probabbly won't feel "safe' for a long time.

[AndyTiedye]

28. What IS Safe to Feed Them?

We lost several cats to kidney failure over the past few years, but each of them was around 18 or 19 years old when they died, so I don't think I can necessarily blame the cat food.
Those cats were getting special prescription cat food from the vet (formulated for kitties with failing kidneys, and not recalled so far afaik).
Prior to that they were mostly getting Science Diet or Nutro dry (not recalled yet either).

We had switched away from the supermarket pet foods to the "premium" brands (premium price anyway) over the ash content.
Low-ash cat food kept the cystitis away.
Also, Purina dry and many of the other commercial dry foods used to make my cats throw up.

Some here have resolved to cook fresh meals from scratch for their pets.
I admire their determination, but we don't even have time to do that for ourselves.
Besides, people food isn't quite right for kitties, and our current kitty doesn't much like people food anyway.
(We couldn't even get him to eat sushi, which you'd think would be manna from heaven for a cat).
I wouldn't know WHAT to cook for a cat.

So far, we're still feeding him Nutro Natural DRY and Fancy Feast canned (which he seems to have gotten tired of, now that we bought a bunch).

[saracat]

33. I honestly don't know anymore. We must just do what we can. I heard some negative stuff about Nutro

but Fancy Feast is supposed to be fine. My surviving cat appears to be the only cat on earth that won't touch Fancy Feast! All we can do is check for "wheat gluten" and not get anything that has it! And hope the bag is truthfully labaled.

[kestrel91316]

41. Fancy Feast, if you MUST feed canned food to cats (and I do not

advise it as a general rule), is FINE (turkey and chicken varieties are wisest choices).

The is ABSOLUTELY no problem with ANY dry foods other than the Hill's Prescription Diet Feline M/D dry, which had a tiny bit of wheat gluten from the same supplier as Menu Foods.

Nothing whatsoever wrong with feeding the SAME DRY FOODS YOU HAVE BEEN.

I really wish the misinformation/disinformation about this would STOP.

[kestrel91316]

39. Nutro is FINE. Fancy Feast (turkey or chicken flavors, lol) is FINE.

No fish.

[laugle]

48. May I suggest Whiskas dry food. My 2 cats love it and

they are owned by Mars, and do not use the Menu Foods Co.

I called their 800 number and found that out.

However, there is wheat gluten in it, just not by Menu.

My 2 kitties are doing just fine, no sickness.

BTW, Lou Dobbs has Whiskas, dry/wet food on the SAFE list tonight.

[roamer65]

51. I switched to Whiskas and my cat loves it.

[laugle]

52. I had two cats that lived 17 years and ate only Whiska's, so

I think it's a good indicator, also I'm glad they don't use Menu Foods!

[kestrel91316]

38. Ask your vet about the VAST MAJORITY of foods that are still

perfectly safe. Ask what they are feeding their own animals (I feed all mine Science Diet because I can get it at wholesale prices, lol).

[kestrel91316]

37. That's utter BS.

I have had no cases of ARF from this recalled food. My patients are, by and large, eating Science Diet and Max Cat and Royal Canin and Iams, and mostly dry forms. Some Fancy Feast canned.

The vast majority of foods CONTAIN NO WHEAT GLUTEN AND THEREFORE ARE UNAFFECTED BY THIS RECALL.

I realize you are perhaps too emotionally devastated to be thinking clearly, but posting this sort of gross misinformation is irresponsible.

[saracat]

46. Kesteral, if you read my later posts I admit I am feeding my surviving cat manufactured food

but I am not comfortable about it. I just have to hope those without wheat gluten and NOT made by Menu Foods or on recall are safe. But I am not comfortable and I don't expect to be until this is solved.
I feel the same about some people food but we have to eat it just the same.It doesn't mean it is "safe". It is all a matter of degree I suppose. I didn't mean to project misinformation.

[ruiner4u]

19. Ok no offence cause I know your trying to help, but your link does not tell anything new.

It was last updated on mar 30 with a list of things to avoid.. Does anyone have a clear and concise list of WHAT TO AVOID?

[lonestarnot]

22. All of it!

[kestrel91316]

43. Get updates here:

http://avma.org/aa/menufoodsrecall/default.asp

AVMA posts info as soon as they get it. The info on today's dog treat brands out of Alabama is not available anywhere yet. Be patient.

[lonestarnot]

49. Thanks

:)

[Buzz Clik]

25. Step back for a second and consider this:

I have seen cats and dogs eat the most amazingly disgusting things and they never blink. I have witnessed dogs eating fresh, warm cow diarrhea; cat poop covered with cat litter; drinking out of rancid puddles teeming with slimy growth; rotten food. Cats aren't much better.

And suddenly they are being taken ill by "tainted wheat gluten" in gormet foods?

Too bad Purina doesn't sell bags of fresh, steaming cow shit.

[melnjones]

26. educate yourself, friend...

http://www.belfield.com/article3.html
The wheat gluten thing is just the straw that broke the camel's back- for a lot of people, this is the first they've been confronted with the reality of the pet food industry, so that makes it an even bigger deal than what it might seem to be on the surface. Plus, owners can do their best to guard their pets from other animals' feces, stagant water, etc. My dog would love snacking on my cat's litter box or sipping some slimy puddle water outside, but I am attentive and keep her away from those things because they are not good for her. It's another thing altogether when we are feeding our pets stuff that is supposed to make them healthy and we find out it is poisoning them instead. Also, there's a difference between gross things that a dog might come in contact with in its natural, wild setting (which to some degree their bodies are designed to be able to take) and a totally foreign contaminent, like melamine or rat poison or whatever it is we're dealing with.

I have to admit, your last sentence almost made me laugh out loud, and i'm sitting in class right now with my wireless connection supposedly listening to a lecture, so that would have been very bad! :-)

[Buzz Clik]

27. I was intentionally vague, but you're on the right track.

I totally agree that buying fancy cat and dog food, only to find that it is harmful to the pet, is outrageous. I am not deflecting blame from whomever eventually gets nailed with this.

However, my point is this: Our pets eat better than a large fraction of the world's population. They certainly have a higher protein intake than billions of people on this planet. We can afford to provide this kind of care, so we do; but, it still strikes me as excessive. And what has been the reaction to this crisis? Lots and lots of pet owners are buying deli meats (turkey, chicken, etc) and grinding it into ultra-gormet food. Rather than drop back and simply feed their companions dry food, which apparently is safe, they took it up a notch to even more outrageous overconsumption for Fluffy and Bowser.

I am by no means discounting the attachment that people have to their pets. I have had cats all my life, and I cry like a child when they die. But, they are pets. So many people have elevated the status of these animals even above their value for their fellow human beings that I am truly stunned.

By all means, let's growl and snarl at the government and wheat importers and the Chinese for doing this to us, but let's not forget how this came to be.

[saracat]

29. "But they are pets". You stress that as a differentiation.And then you say

" So many people have elevated the status of these animals even above their value for their fellow human beings that I am truly stunned."
well continue to be stunned. I valued my cat as others would their child and I am disgusted with those that would judge that I should do otherwise. Sara was my family.And as far as I can see she was murdered by the greed and negligence of the pet food company.
I find your attitude contemptible and condecending.
Thre reaction of the pet owners to this crisis is not to"take it up a notch to more outrageous overconsumption for Fluffy and Bowser" but an attempt to protect members of their family.
The kind of diffentiation you espouse is exactly why this problem has come to pass. The attitude of "hey, they are only animals" created this situation.It is only when it is announced that humans "may" be affected that the FDA moved on this. Sara was woth more to me than many humans I know.I think it is very sad and appalling that so many have such little regard for the fellow creatures that share our lifes.

[Buzz Clik]

30. "I find your attitude contemptible and condecending."

Your cat was a cat. Not a son or daughter.

I'm sorry for your loss, I really am. But I suggest you pull in your claws. You're beginning to move from "understandably upset" to "irrational and insulting."

[saracat]

31. I believe that appellation best suits yourself!

It is obvious where you stand by such statements as "your cat was a cat, not a son or daughter".To many our pets are our family and equally important as any "son or daughter."
I am sorry you find that "irrational and insulting". Many human's would do well to be able to emulate the unconditional love of their pets.

[Buzz Clik]

32. I refuse to get into a pissing contest with you.

Sorry for your loss.

[saracat]

34. Good choice.Thanks.

[Buzz Clik]

35. You just couldn't let it go...

You might keep in mind that, until you rudely attacked me, I had not addressed you at all. You seem to have this opinion that right now the sun is rising and setting on you and your grief. Well, it's a damned shame about your cat. It's even more sad that you can't handle it.

Lashing out at random people is inexcusable. I'll let you wallow in your pity.

[saracat]

45. Wow!

[laugle]

50. I'm with you saracat.....all us irrational people!!

We don't have kids (by choice) so our cats are our kids!!

Granted, when our pet dies, we don't say I miss having a conversation with them or having dinner with them, or playing tennis with them; however, we do miss them just as much, and feel just as much pain as with a loved one.

It's just in a different way..........

It's still a painful and emotional loss.......and in time will heal!

[kestrel91316]

44. We used to call this Kitty Roca:

".......cat poop covered with cat litter......."

Very good protein source, if a bit (ahem) unaesthetic.

[Rhiannon12866]

36. K&R. Thanks for posting this!

:scared: