Obama can raise all the money in the world - it won't matter - America is a racist country

[Herman Munster]

He is unelectable in the general election.

[yourout]

1. He is more electable than Hillary.

But of the current crop of candidates Edwards would probably fair the best in a general election.

[waiting for hope]

8. I totally concur.

[movonne]

9. I like Edwards and will probably vote for him..but if Obama gets

the nomination, I would feel much better than if Hillary get it...

[bananarepublican]

92. Edwards the P! Obama the VP! Dems have ALL the talent. Republic*nts r in trubl! n/t

[papau]

49. Hillary is just as electable IMO - but US racism is trumped by US classism and Obama

looks and sounds and has enough money to "pass" as being in the right class. I do not see his skin color as a reason to worry about his ability to get elected. I do see his lack of specifics in his policies as a problem as platitudes and nice generalities will last only so long.

I do see his approval of employment based health care and rejection of single payer universal - Medicare for all - as a problem.

I do see his approval of coal strip mining - like Bush - so as to convert coal to liquid for cars - as Bush has suggested is his own energy policy - as a problem.

I believe that if he comes out for Medicare for all, he is a lock for the primary and for the general.

But right now he is just the front runner amongst the internet grassroots, the Dean machine and Move-on which have jumped on board, and the monied in Illinois and California.

[Bluedogvoter]

73. Sadly, I have to agree to this.

I'm a Hillary supporter, but I'm not so sure she can win anymore.

[mod mom]

77. Agree! Hillary is detested by the republicand and progressives will not support her.

Can't we move away from candidates owned by the corporations? I could easily support Obama, or Edwards (though I am holding donations to see if Gore steps in) but I would never support Hillary, nor do I know personally anyone who does.

[skipos]

106. Yup.

She *could* win, but the polls seem to indicate that she has more of an uphill battle than other Dems in the general election. Her unfavorable/favorable ratings, and the % of people committed to voting against her, are worse than most other Dems in most other polls too. These are from Ras...

McCain (48%) Clinton (41%) CLINTON LOSES BY 7%
McCain (38%) Edwards (47%) EDWARDS WINS BY 9%
McCain (44%) Obama (44%) TIED

Thompson (44%) Clinton (43%) CLINTON LOSES BY 1%
Thompson (37%) Obama (49%) OBAMA WINS BY 12%

Brownback (41%) Clinton (46%) CLINTON WINS BY 5%
Brownback (34%) Obama (49%) OBAMA WINS BY 15%

Giuliani (49%) Clinton (41%) CLINTON LOSES BY 8%
Giuliani (48%) Edwards (41%) EDWARDS LOSES BY 7%
Giuliani (44%) Obama (43%) OBAMA LOSES BY 1%

Gingrich (43%) Clinton (50%) CLINTON WINS BY 7%
Gingrich (38%) Obama (48%) OBAMA WINS BY 10%

Hagel (40%) Clinton (48%) CLINTON WINS BY 8%
Hagel (34%) Obama (50%) OBAMA WINS BY 16%

Romney (41%) Clinton (50%) CLINTON WINS BY 9%
Romney (29%) Edwards (55%) EDWARDS WINS BY 26%
Romney (36%) Obama (51%) OBAMA WINS BY 15%

[Speck Tater]

2. Hillary can raies all the money in the world - it won't matter - America is a sexist country

Looks like the Dems are out of luck this time around.


NOT!

Either one of them could win!

[Singular73]

3. I doubt that...

He'd get everything Kerry got plus New Mexico, and maybe Ohio...

Plus, who the hell is he running against? Guilliani? McCain?

lol.

[Madspirit]

4. Our Country is Sexist and Racist....n/t

[Captain_Nemo]

87. Yes, sexist and racist yet it won't matter for Hillary

because there are so many people that don't want her because they think the red states won't vote for her and therefore the Dems will lose. Therefore, they won't support her.

So, when you have so many self defeating progressives why does it matter that she won't win in a sexist country - they won't vote for her anyway.

[Madspirit]

108. Not a self defeating progressive

I will vote for her or Obama if they get the nomination. I just hope neither of them do. I care far too much about the problems in this country and abroad to want to chance a Repuke winning again in 2008. I will vote for Edwards in the primary and I will vote for the winner of the primary, whichever one it is, in the general election.
I would NEVER vote for a third party candidate. People can pretend all they want, that they are doing the moral thing, voting their "consciences" when they vote third party. The truth is, this is a two-party system. When you vote...WHOMEVER you vote for...you're either helping the Republican win or you are helping the Democrat win. Period.
So yes, I would too vote for Hillary or Obama, if one of them is the nominee.
Lee

[ShortnFiery]

5. IMO, WRONG! Obama has the integrity, intelligence and charisma to be one of our greatest

Presidents. :patriot: He has the following of the Average American as his campaign, unlike HRC's did NOT take PAC money. ;)

[Captain_Nemo]

88. The personality of a president is nothing to the

experience of the president.

I think we are seeing the result of a country voting for a president because they "want to have a beer with him."

I don't care how personable Obama is I can't see him in the position Pelosi is in now. What she is doing is the result of a lifetime of being in politics. That's what we need.

[ShortnFiery]

96. You conveniently overlooked "Integrity and Intelligence."

:eyes:

[Madspirit]

109. OK, then I will say it...

Integrity and intelligence OBVIOUSLY have nothing to do with who wins the White House...or haven't you noticed? In fact, out of the list: Charisma, intelligence, integrity...Charisma probably...to the majority of brain-dead, frontal lobe challenged idiots, in this country, matters the most.
Lee

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. It's a sexist country too.

Not that there aren't plenty of valid reasons to not vote for Hillary.

:shrug:

[Nica-Libre]

7. The Right can confuse his name

with that of Osama bin Laden or refer to him by his full name of Barak Hussein Obama - this country is ready, not racist. :)

[Breeze54]

71. The RW does it

ON PURPOSE!!

There is NO CONFUSION on their part!

Don't buy the crap they're selling.

[blogslut]

94. Yep

Ready. Not racist. Has a nice ring to it. :)

[Colobo]

10. So, what the heck does that mean, Munster?

That he should drop from the race because no black man can win the elections? What should he do? Give up and support whom?

There is someone who is worse than the racist himself: That who allows racism to enslave his spirit.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. It means we should pick Edwards because he's white.

And therefore more electable.

Those damn racists.

:rofl:

[Lost-in-FL]

and he has the looks and the big house to go with it. n/t

[Clark2008]

59. And too pretty for the swing-Bubba vote.

I'm sad to say that none of the front-runners will win if Thompson gets in the race.

Sigh.

[Telly Savalas]

78. That's right. KKK members are itching to vote for a liberal like Edwards.

[Nica-Libre]

13. Maybe he's a Hilary supporter

who's getting a little nervous? :shrug:

And I agree with you completely. We can't let the idea that it's not been done before rule our convictions.

[bigwillq]

15. Hi!

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[Nica-Libre]

24. Thank you, bigwillq

It's nice to be here. :hi:

[southerncrone]

20. Welcome to DU, Nica-Libre!

:hi:

[Nica-Libre]

26. wow - more welcomes.

you people sure are a friendly lot. :hi:

Thank you.

[bdamomma]

70. Welcome Nica-Libre to DU!!!

nothing wrong to roll out the welcome wagon!!:hi:

[Colobo]

22. Welcome, Nica!

Glad to have you here!

[Nica-Libre]

29. Yay! A fellow Obama supporter!

Nice to meet you. :hi:

Shit. I just thought of something. Wayne Newton fans call themselves "Wayniacs" - are we to be called, "Obamaniacs." That's kinda oogie and yet strangely amusing.

[Pirate Smile]

28. Bingo - you win a prize for being new but still being able to figure out what is going on here.

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edit to add - Welcome to DU!

[Nica-Libre]

34. Thank you, but in all fairness

I'm not new to political forums and I firmly believe that the "land deal scandal" and the confusion with Obama/Osama and the middle name "Hussein" is all done by the right because they are very, very afraid of Obama. They want to claim that he doesn't have experience, but everyone knows that the one term senator, Bobby Kennedy, would have been president.

[Pirate Smile]

40. That is all true but around here you will figure out pretty quickly who supports

who - Obama supporters, Hillary supporters, Edwards supporters, etc. and how they fight back and forth. The OP is a Hillary supporter like you said in your post.

[Nica-Libre]

43. Well, Hilary has

more baggage than Paris Hilton on a weekend in Monte Carlo.

The Right is salivating over the possibility of her winning the nomination so they can trot out Whitewater, Monica and "who killed Vince Foster," just for starters - If you don't believe me, ask yourself why they are so strangely quiet about her these days.

[babylonsister]

45. "more baggage than Paris Hilton on a weekend in Monte Carlo."

:rofl:
We haven't been able to shut the media whores up about Clinton either, until today and Obama's astounding feat. I agree, the r/w wants Hillary to run because they think she doesn't have a shot.
This should get interesting!

[Pirate Smile]

50. Hey, I'm not disagreeing with you.

:)

I like Obama and Hillary is down quite far on my list of favorites.

[Nica-Libre]

53. I didn't say you were disagreeing with me.

I just get excited at the thought of Obama in '08 :D

[pinto]

58. Eh, I disagree. Whitewater was investigated and found wanting, Monica was largely Bill's issue and

"who killed Vince Foster" is only a concern to that slice of the RW that wouldn't vote for a Democrat if their lives depended on it.

Doubt we have to have concerns about Sen. Clinton on those points, imho.

[Nica-Libre]

61. So, you don't believe that there is a portion of the population

(the non-political junkie population) who thinks there's a good chance that the Clintons were guilty in Whitewater, but were very deceptive and successfully covered up their involvement. I am NOT one of those people, but I do believe that those people exist and that the Right is sitting in wait - ready to pounce on those peoples' collective weaknesses. I think Hillary will be "Whitwatered/Vince Fostered" more severely than John Kerry was "swiftboated." The Heritage Foundation and Richard Scaiffe didn't cease to exist when Bush II took office. Their blind hatred of all things Clinton is alive and well.

[pinto]

68. I don't doubt there are some. But it has been hashed and rehashed so often, I doubt,

should Sen Clinton become our nominee, that she would be at a loss to respond on point.

And, to be honest, the trashy Republican track record to date far overshadows any of those talking points.

[w4rma]

82. The right does it and will do it because they can and it works in the general election. (nt)

[Lost-in-FL]

14. Amen brother!

:thumbsup:

[Joe Fields]

104. Well put. Doesn't mean I would vote for Obama, but race has absolutely

nothing to do with it. Waiting on Gore. If Gore doesn't jump into the race for democratic nomination, then Obama has my consideration. Bill Richardson impresses me, also. As for Hillary, I believe blind ambition is her central motivation. I want no part of her.

[ProgressiveFool]

113. That's pretty much exactly where I stand

Assuming no Gore, then I wholeheartedly support Obama (even if Gore gets in the race, I want to see Obama as VP). I like the fact that he's new to politics and "inexperienced". That means the system might not have gotten to him yet, and he might have a chance to change it.

Also, I want my country to prove that it is "ready" to vote for a black president. I cringe so badly when I hear that, and that it's accepted without a thought, that we could possibly be so fucking unenlightened that it's even a concern. I think that voting for Obama would send a powerful message to the world that we're sorry for the last several years, and we're willing to try to fix the things we fucked up.

[bullimiami]

12. i agree that there is a strong minority of racist/sexist/religious bigots here.

but i do think they are a minority and can be overcome.

[mod mom]

80. and they are called the 29%ers-who wants their racist, koolaid drunk votes anyhow?

[karlrschneider]

16. Did you vote in my poll?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x578272

[southerncrone]

17. I stated in another post that many Americans, including some in our own party,

are not ready to elect a female or black President. I don't agree w/that stance, but many people secretly feel that way. Especially in the South, though I suspect it lurks in other parts of the country, too.

I wish Zogby would do a poll on that topic.

[karlrschneider]

23. A lot, I mean a LOT of people will tell a pollster they'd vote for a black or a woman

and in the privacy of the voting booth will do the opposite. Anybody who doubts that unfortunate fact is in deep denial.

[Clark2008]

60. Oh - it lurks in ALL parts of the country.

SC, how do we get DUers to see what we see every day?

Like when we're accused of supporting Thompson (and we're not) simply because we can see how formidable he'd be? Or when we point out that sexism and racism (and, in Edwards' case, the fact that he's not very "macho") is alive and well in MOST of the country?


Sigh.

[southerncrone]

74. We just keep beating the drum no matter what. None are so blind as those who will not see.

:eyes:

[Lone_Star_Dem]

18. Which is it? Is the US too racist for Obama or too sexist for Hillary?

I cannot keep up with which way the wind is blowing today.

Frankly, I find them both to be pathetic excuses.

[karlrschneider]

27. A thought experiment: Condi Rice becomes the GOP nominee.

Who votes for her?

[Lone_Star_Dem]

38. An interesting thought.

I know several R's who think she's brilliant, or so they say. A situation like that would put their party loyalty to the test.

I suspect she'd lose to a both Hillary or Obama due to the heavy sexism and racism - although often not openly admitted to - in the Republican party. I could picture many Republicans voting either Libertarian or not at all by way of protest over being in such a situation.

[karlrschneider]

51. LOL...but it would be a weird challenge for the RW

Which combination rises to a vote?...racism? Oops. Sexism? Oops. Both? Double Oops! I guess we wouldn't really know unless somebody gets a 100% accurate exit poll. :D

As I ruefully enjoy pointing out, what people say in public and what they do in the voting booth aren't necessarily (or even usually) the same.

[Raine]

19. It's just as sexiest

as racist, Hillary doesn't have a chance in hell.

[pnwmom]

21. I don't know where you live but from my perspective

I think he's got an excellent chance.

And so does my mother, who's a white senior citizen and loves him.

[Clark2008]

63. Reality.

I firmly reside there. And I'm sure lots of white seniors love Obama - but lots more don't.

[pnwmom]

75. Some parts of the country are more racist than others. Fortunately,

those parts often don't vote Democratic anyway.

But the demographics are changing. I think Obama has a good chance now.

[Auggie]

It's not racism. Corporate fascists will Rove him.

Rove -- as in destroy through malicious lies.

[Colobo]

31. They will try to Rove anyone! Hillary, Edwards, Barack, Jesus Christ

All of them would be smeared by the GOP Atwater-Rovian smear merchants.

[Auggie]

33. Yeah... (sigh)

[mod mom]

84. I think a lot of Republicans (power elite) realize '08 is lost thanks to idiot son,

thats why we see the likes of Murdoch fund raising for Hillary. Enough of this corporatism. I believe the internet has changed the political scene in ways many have yet discovered. Just look at Obama's success especially after the established star power of Bill aiding Hillary. Fuck the established power. It's time we took back our country and run it in a way that brings equity and fairness to the system. The economic disparity in this country and the bulliness abroad make me sick and ashamed of what we have become. I believe in a better world-and Hillary is not the leader to take us there.

[in_cog_ni_to]

32. Dems aren't going to sit back and take that shit in '08. It got Kerry nowhere when he ignored the

Swiftboaters. Lesson learned.

[yourout]

41. When someone throws a pound of shit on you....clean it off and throw back two pounds.

Don't wait......hit back and hit back hard.

[NewJeffCT]

64. Umm, they do it all the time

They did it to Dukakis, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and not to mention people like Max Cleland. Heck, even McCain got swiftboated by the Bushies in 2000.

[in_cog_ni_to]

101. I know the repukes do it all the time and the Dems took it, but those days are over.

The Dems will be throwing it back. This time around the Dems will be taking a gun to the gunfight instead of a knife. The repukes want to dish it out? Let 'em. The Democrats aren't taking their shit anymore. They've finally figured out that they HAVE TO fight fire with fire. They watched what they did to Cleland and Kerry and they see where not fighting back got them. There's a NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY in town and they aren't going to take it anymore.

[liberal renegade]

25. Maybe we can get them on the same ticket

and really piss off the sexist and racist among us...

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. I think America will surprise you this time around. It IS 2007.

IF he wins the Primary, he's in like flint.

[Herman Munster]

37. and if he wins and loses the general election

there won't be a black presidential candidate for 50 years.

[in_cog_ni_to]

103. He's not going to lose the General Election. Obama offers more charm in his little finger than all

the repuke candidates combined. If Obama goes up against McCain (which is doubtful), he'll win. If Obama goes up against Guiliani, after Guiliani's corruption is exposed, Obama will win. If Obama goes up against Romney, the flip flopper, he'll win. NO REPUKE can beat Obama (evoting machines can though :(). Now Hillary is a different story. The repukes hate the Clintons so much, they would vote in DROVES AGAINST her...just because they hate her. People like Obama. I have repuke neighbors who had Bush signs in their yards...next to an Obama sign (I'm in Illinois). Of course he was running against the weirdo, Alan Keyes, but still....Obama appeals to MANY.

[WI_DEM]

114. but then every four years somebody will come and say "but we can't have him--he's black"

and he will lose the election. Let's just continue with the same old white men we always had because they always win.

[Selatius]

35. Martin Luther King, Jr., should've given up on the movement because Jim Crow is too entrenched.

You never know until you try. :eyes:

[Colobo]

47. According to some over here, yes

Change is basically impossible, because our society will never be ready for it.

Poor souls.

[SmokingJacket]

36. A certain percentage is that racist, but not a majority.

I believe the percentage of Americans who wouldn't vote for him because he's black is about 20-30% -- and that neatly overlaps with the group that wouldnt' ever vote for a democrat in the first place.

[Cha]

39. Bull! Obama is so cool..

he's making everyone colorblind! Anyway, the racists are the repukes.

[jcrew2001]

42. Obama's exciting, but he's the 2008 Dean

He'll get a lot of money, but when Iowa rolls around - the votes will go to Edwards.

[w13rd0]

54. Well, Iowa and NH should be de-emphasized.

I'm sorry, but having two of the most homogenous, monolithic states in the union decide the primaries is just wrong.

But we'll see, I'm willing to vote in the primaries for the person I want as our nominee, and hope that decision isn't made in smoke filled back rooms by large dollar donors to a corporatist without any input from the people they are actually being nominated to represent.

I really hope we see a better caliber of debate than "He's black, America isn't willing to vote for 'a black'" or "She's a woman, America isn't willing to vote for 'a woman'" or "He's a lawyer, America hates lawyers"...

Because we REALLY there are so many issues that really need to be addressed, and this kind of bullshit presented by the OP is and should be beneath us as a nation. Otherwise, frankly, we don't deserve to be the worlds only superpower.

[mnhtnbb]

72. Obama might be getting the crowds, but Edwards actually sounds more like Dean

[jcrew2001]

115. Obama's hype = Dean's hype

and the expectations that come with being the favorite front-runner. But when push comes to shove, Iowa voters will see that Obama isn't ready for primetime.

[Olney Blue]

44. Gotta disagree with you, Herman. Have you looked at the crowds at

his rallies? He has broad appeal. And the money figures today prove it.

There is NO Dem candidate who will bring in the GOP base.

[Skip Intro]

46. A sad observation I'm inclined to agree with.

I wish it weren't so, but I feel it is.

[jbnow]

48. Most racists are right wing

who wouldn't vote for any Democrat running for president.

[Colobo]

52. Many racists are people who have let the racism of others enslave them

The true racists don't have to do anything when others have already internalized and perpetuated it.

[Grandrose]

55. Oh ye of little faith....

As a African-American I sadly agree with you.
Ironically today is the anniversary of Dr. King's death and
the historical announcement of Senator Obama's successful fund
raising to fight for the chance to be president.
Only time will tell!!!

:dem:

[Colobo]

56. Every time a black person loses faith what s/he is able to accomplish

Racists across America and the world have won a battle.

As a black man from the Hispanic Caribbean, I refuse to lose faith. I know Dr. King never did... and look where we are today.

Look at Obama, and imagine where could we be tomorrow... :)

[Marie26]

57. Yeah, yeah

Thanks for your concern.

[BeyondGeography]

62. I say he wins BECAUSE it is a racist country

Obama's credibility on progressive issues is implicitly understood and all the more powerful because he has felt the sting of racial prejudice first-hand. He has lived and worked in poor neighborhoods and understands our country in ways that his opponents can't. No bleeding heart liberal he.

The significance of his candidacy is only beginning to be understood in the black community, which will support him with a passion that we haven't seen in American politics for years. Again, this will happen BECAUSE it is a racist country.

The Obama story is a uniquely American phenomenon; it speaks to the potential for greatness in our land, which, for all of its ugly past, has a deep yearning for moral legitimacy here and in the eyes of an alienated world. It's a wholesale rejection of those who would have us mud-wrestling in the polarization pit from here to eternity, often on the basis of race. We're racist, yes, but we want to be better, and Obama gives us a chance to do just that.

Ronald Reagan began his 1980 campaign at the Neshoba County Fair in Philadelphia, Miss. The conservative era will end when Barack Obama is inaugurated President in 2009.

It's enough to make me want to sing God Bless America. No joke.

[Colobo]

65. Great post, man!

[BeyondGeography]

67. Thank you, Katz

[NewJeffCT]

69. Good post - I do think many Americans would embrace somebody like Obama

Yes, there might be 20 or 30% out there who would never vote for Obama because he is black. But, how many of those 20 or 30% would have voted for John Kerry or John Edwards or Howard Dean? Probably very few of them.

I do think you're correct on the yearning for moral legitimacy.

[pnwmom]

76. I agree. His candidacy will be tremendously inspiring.

People once thought a Catholic couldn't win the Presidency either.

We will only know when the timing is right for an African-American AFTER the first one is elected. Until then, we'll have to listen to all the naysayers.

[aaronbees]

79. No joke indeed

Pretty overwhelmingly inspiring when you get down to it. Great post.

[bling bling]

81. Nice post.

You got me all inspired now.

"The conservative era will end when Barack Obama is inaugurated President in 2009."

And it can't happen a moment too soon.

The time is right.

The Democrats CAN play a role here, if we seriously want to increase his chances. If we want Obama to win, then lets rally around him instead of this de-motivating "don't bother" attitude.

Americans can elect a black man to the Presidency in 2008. The Democrats and swing voters will vote for him if he (and WE) show them that he's the best person for the job.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

85. An excellent view.

Obama, should he obtain the nomination, will definitely carry the election and become President.

[Skidmore]

95. Yes, indeed. I was speaking to a young friend yesterday

about the next election. This bright young woman observed that the world cannot survive more of the same. I told her she was absolutely right about that. We talked for a while about past and present and what events up to now mean to the future...her future. I encouraged her to make her first vote be a vote for her future. I believe that my generation is mired in the past. We are still fighting Vietnam and the Soviet Union. We haven't been able to imagine a world without boogeymen and division. I think that, in spite of this, our words did not match our deeds. We taught tolerance to a whole generation and mouthed the words. These young folks are seeing the disconnect between our words and actions. I'm seeing it over and over again. If they will vote their future, there is hope. The future does not lie in the rice paddies of Vietnam or the gulags. The future does not lie in the oilfields of the ME. The future does not lie in the comfortable mansions of the white America's elite or the entitlement of the groomed Ivy Leaguers. The future is a vast unknown, a territory to be explored. I think this is what Obama brings to the nation. A face that looks foward, and with hope.

[bdamomma]

66. maybe we are really ready for a big change

after this cowboy I am ready for someone who is sane. The only person I can say was unelectable is Bush, and he had to use the Supreme Court to steal the presidency.

[gravity]

83. But he is so articulate

[ComerPerro]

86. well, to be fair, if he does literally raise all the money in the world

he won't need to run for President. He will have all the money in the world.

[Nikki Stone1]

89. God, Munster, I hope you're wrong. (I'd like to see Obama on the ticket)

But I fear a country that sends death threats to a golfer like Tiger Woods.

[Colobo]

90. JFK, RFK, Ford, Reagan were targets

and they were white males.

[bananarepublican]

93. Reagan was a target in order to pave the way for another white man!

I don't know who would have benefited from Ford's death, however, RFK was killed so that pretty much anyone but him would win the Whitehouse. He would likely have got to the bottom of JFK's death.

JFK was killed for a number of reasons. The plotters (LBJ, at the least, had foreknowlodge) knew who the next in line was. Ergo, the perpetuation of the 'Cold War' and the head-long plunging into the 'Vietnam War'.

Kennedy was headed on the path of de-escalation (refer NSM#263). Those behind the democracy-dog-and-pony-show calculated several outcomes, one of which was reduced profits, another, more non-whites walking the earth.

Finally, not only white men were assassinated in the 60's. Does anyone remember Malcom X or MLK? J. Edgar Hoover - if he were still alive - could shed a lot of light on these assassinations.

'Lone-nut-gunman' of the 60's = 'Arabs with box-cutters' in current times.

[Nikki Stone1]

105. Of this list, only one was a target while on the election trail

And I know we don't have the full story on that one. The others were all elected President and were targeted after attaining office. None of these were targeted for their race, so the comparison to Obama is not an apt one.

[me b zola]

91. poor Hillary

:cry:


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Solly Mack]

97. Barriers aren't broken by sitting on the side lines

You don't defeat racism by bowing down to it and giving up. You only feed racism that way.

[Hekate]

98. I believe Obama is going to be our first black president, whether in 2008 or 2016

He's got the right stuff, to borrow a phrase. I hope he doesn't peak too soon, but interest in his candidacy is really catching fire.

Personally I am hoping John (and Elizabeth) Edwards get the nomination this year, and I'd like to see an Edwards-Obama ticket for 2008.

However, Barack Obama has most of the qualities I think people are looking for -- and I mean among all voters, not just minorities.

We need to forget about picking up the hard-core racist vote, because those people aren't going to vote for a liberal or progressive or any Democrat worth the name anyhow. We need to concentrate on presenting candidates with core Democratic values, and we need to stick with Howard Dean's 50-state strategy.

Barack Obama is new to national politics, but is already presenting a very attractive persona to most people. Bush, ironically, has broken ground for black Americans at the Cabinet level, and the Republican party has been just fine with that. Colin Powell's name was once floated as a potential presidential candidate; and whatever we may think of Dr. Rice and Gen. Powell's policies here at DU, the fact remains that they are admired by the mostly-white members of the Republican party. Barack Obama has the potential to reach these folks.

Hekate

[Ganja Ninja]

99. I agree to a point but I think there just might be enough anger over

Bush and the war that he could get elected anyway.

[NNN0LHI]

100. I would give my left nut to prove you were wrong Mr. Munster

But I am not taking any bets.

Don

[H2O Man]

102. yawn ...... n/t

[newportdadde]

107. He is unelectable but not because of race, but because he isn't a complete corporate puppet.

I do not see a candidate from either party ever making it to the national scene as a presidential candidate if they won't sell the working class of the US down the tubes for corporate America.

If Obama will give the oligarchy everything they want then they don't care what color he is.

[treestar]

110. america has racists, but even racists sometimes have their

"exceptions."

The average racist is a racist because he doesn't know anyone who is of the race he blabbers against. He has to distance himself or herself to make them the "enemy."

for example, I will hear someone who complains about all the Mexicans coming illegally, and how wrong that is and how bad, and why it is wrong that their friend Pablo cannot get his papers straightened out, because Pablo is a nice guy, and hardworking, etc.

Obama can make himself personally known in the same way as a celebrity can, even a racist, if they like what Obama says, will vote for him because he is a good guy and a good leader, etc. (and articulate :hide: and then the very next day go on again about all those blacks on welfare who commit crimes, etc. and all the usual racist blather.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

111. Nonsense.

The racists who won't vote for him because he's (half) black wouldn't vote for a Democrat anyhow. We've already lost that 30% backwash. People will vote for him if they like his policies and the overall impression he gives of integrity and brains.

[WI_DEM]

112. I'm willing to take that risk and you will either be proved right or his supporters will.

I think the country is ready, as it was in 1960, for a new and inspirational leader--regardless of his color.

[ellisonz]

116. Well said!

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