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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 02:59 PM
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California bill would require Rx to buy cold remedies containing pseudoephedrine
KGO Radio 810 - San Francisco (6-3-09)

A crime-fighting bill moving through the California Legislature would force patients to get a doctor's prescription to buy a common remedy for stuffy noses.

The measure by Sen. Rod Wright, an Inglewood Democrat, would make it an infraction or misdemeanor to obtain ephedrine, pseudoephedrine or related drugs without a prescription.
Those are common ingredients in cold medicines, but they're also used to make illegal methamphetamine. Wright says he wants to get them out of drug dealers' hands.

But Sen. Sam Aanestad, an oral surgeon and Republican from Grass Valley, says prescriptions would boost the cost of a $4 bottle of nose spray to $40 or $50. He would rather limit the amount of medication one person can buy. A 22-10 vote Tuesday sent the bill to the Assembly.

LINK: http://www.kgoradio.com/Article.asp?id=1353450&spid=15884

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From Consumer Healthcare Products Association (www.chpa-info.org)

"The consequences of the bill’s passage, however, would be devastating for Californians. Requiring consumers to obtain a prescription to purchase pseudoephedrine products would impose substantial, and unnecessary, new costs on consumers and the healthcare system without making any impact on the availability or abuse of methamphetamines.

Legitimate consumers are the ones who will be forced to:

• Take time off to see a doctor to obtain a prescription when they need a cold or allergy medicine containing pseudoephedrine, even though these products are approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for nonprescription use;
• Pay a co-pay for their doctor visit or pay out-of-pocket;
• Find a pharmacy, during pharmacy hours, and wait for their prescription to be filled; and
• Pay prescription-drug prices or their co-pay for a nonprescription drug.

Requiring a prescription for an OTC drug will impose direct costs on the state:

• To reimburse physicians every time a Medicaid or SCHIP recipient sees a doctor to obtain a PSE prescription;
• In increased health insurance premiums for state employees;
• In over $4,460,000 in lost sales tax revenue (based on 2008 sales data, not including Wal Mart) because prescription drugs are tax-exempt while OTCs are subject to sales tax; and
• In added expenses on public hospitals that will be forced to treat the uninsured who can no longer buy these products without a prescription and lack timely-if any-access to a doctor.

LINK: http://chpa-info.org/governmentaffairs/PreserveOTCAccess.aspx

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The California Peace Officers Association claims to have worked hard to get this bill introduced (http://www.cpoa.org/displaycommon.cfm?an=1&subarticlenbr=78).
While their intentions are understandable, this will create a real hardship for Californians.

This is a rare instance when I agree with a *choke* Republican.

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:00 PM
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1. They need to fix the fucking budget before they do anything else
Anything at all.
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:01 PM
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2. this is ridiculous.
I also choke with the thought that I agree with (gasp) the Republican. Inglewood is a high crime area these days, but this is not a solution.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:01 PM
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3. The state is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, and they are worried about this?
California needs fewer drug laws, not more.

Nanny state crap.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:03 PM
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4. I can't believe they have time to waste debating shit like this
While the whole state is circling the drain.
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WilmywoodNCparalegal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:06 PM
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5. While not as important as its collapse, meth use is very very
high in California. Like other states before it, it would curb those who buy mass quantities of pseudoephedrine (one of the ingredients of meth).

Unlike pot, meth is a seriously messed up drug and, unlike pot, its manufacture and use need to be curbed.
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:09 PM
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9. Yea...
But at the cost of the rest of us, who REALLY NEED effective Cold, and Sinus medicine ????

All I see is more BULLSHIT PROHIBITION, and it has NEVER WORKED in the past...What makes them think it will work now?
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:14 PM
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12. They'll find other sources of supply
"it would curb those who buy mass quantities of pseudoephedrine"

No it won't they'll just find it somewhere else, Oregon, Arizona, Nevada all come to mind. There may be a dry spell until the makers get their new suppliers and then watch out.

Unless of course California has enough police officers to conduct searches of every single vehicle that enters the state, or search the homes of all residents?

This is just another law to screw over the people, and for politicians and cops to make it appear that they are doing something about the problem.

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Retrograde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 06:19 PM
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39. Ephedras grow wild all over the West
which is why they have names like Ephedra californica and E. nevadensis ,colloquially known as Mormon tea. They're old stimulants: they don't contain much ephedrine, but if you can extra meth from pseudoephedrine you can probably get it out of the plants.


I don't believe I'm agreeing with a Republican on this.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:36 PM
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20. But no other state has made it prescription
you just have to buy it at the pharmacy counter, and sign for it. One would think that would be enough to tip law enforcement off as to who's buying the stuff in mass quantities. But noooooooooo! :eyes:
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dysfunctionalmother Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:51 PM
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25. It's by prescription in Oregon
"In 2006 a new Oregon law took effect imposing the strictest limits on pseudoephedrine in the nation. Oregon is the only state to require a doctors prescription for cold medications, such as Sudafed, containing pseudoephedrine."

http://www.opb.org/meth/talkback/
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 06:17 PM
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38. I'm fine with limiting purchase quantities or even registering them.
Making pseudoephedrine prescription-only is not productive. It has a legitimate and safe use. The fact is that a lot of things can be turned to bad ends, meth is just the fashionable one right now.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 06:33 PM
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40. Except meth heads don't go to a pharmacy and sign for Sudafed
They get it cheap and in mass quantities from Mexico.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:07 PM
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6. Let me get this straight
The California legislature didn't have the balls to raise taxes, but want people to either lose time at work to get a prescription for cough syrup, all because the cops can't actually stop the real criminals from getting the ingredients they need to make meth?

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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:08 PM
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7. They don't have to make it prescription.
They just need to make it a drug you have to sign for at the pharmacy desk. The price would go up some because of the time it would take a pharmacy to deal with the requests, but not as drastically as if it were a prescription-only drug.
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Staph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:15 PM
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13. That's the law here in West Virginia
Edited on Wed Jun-03-09 04:12 PM by Staph
and in several other states where I have purchased pseudoephedrine. (I'm not a druggie -- it's the only thing that will quickly clear my clogged sinuses when I have a cold. I travel a great deal, and without Sudofed, air travel would be excruciating.)

It's not that big a deal -- in some of the states where I have encountered this, you don't even have to see the pharmacist. You can deal with the paperwork at that checkout counter.


(Edited to correct speelling!)
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 06:35 PM
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41. That's a Federal Law
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:15 PM
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14. That is the way it is now.
Edited on Wed Jun-03-09 03:16 PM by Kadie
It is kept behind the counter. We have to show our driver's license and sign a form. We are only allowed to buy so much per month. (3 packages is the limit I think, could be wrong)


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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:35 PM
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19. Well, then, WTF?
Making it prescription is stupid, IMHO.

Of course, organizing a better collation of this material from various pharmacies costs money that California doesn't have right now, I guess. I don't know what the system is now. It sounds more like one where someone gets caught and they can run their driver's license and gather evidence to convict. Making it a computerized database that can flag people and cut them off would take money.

Ugh.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:21 PM
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17. We already have to sign for it, and show the gestapo our drivers license now.
nt
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 04:24 PM
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28. You already do have to sign for it and show ID.
Which means that if you have the nerve to get sick after hours, you're screwn.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 04:30 PM
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31. Yeah, they're telling me this.
Which makes me say, WTF?
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 04:35 PM
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32. It already is limited to pharmacy counter sales with signature.
That's asinine enough but making it available only by prescription is like swatting a fly with sledgehammer.

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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:09 PM
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8. We have to do that here in Arizona
and it's a pain in the butt. To buy my sudafed, I need to get to the pharmacy window when it's open, sign a statement, and pay for it there. I can only buy I box at a time (10 days worth). Royal pain in the ass.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:12 PM
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11. This is an instance when I want drug lobbyists to intervene
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 06:36 PM
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42. That's not a script, though -- you just foollw the Federal Law
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 06:55 PM
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44. I realized that....
I'm a bit slow today and assumed California was proposing what Arizona has. I didn't read carefully enough. :spank:
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 07:06 PM
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45. No, this would require you to get a prescription from a doctor AND do that other stuff
this is worse than what you've got down there.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 07:18 PM
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46. I agree -- it's worse.
I hadn't read closely enough when I first responded. My bad.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:10 PM
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10. Way to go
Make meth cooking even more profitable. :crazy: As if tweakers aren't enough of a crime wave as it is.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:16 PM
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15. And what about those of us who can't afford health insurance
...let alone afford a doctor visit every few months or however often to get a prescription that will cost us ten times more?? WTF are we supposed to do??

Just wait, if this passes in CA it'll be federal law in no time.

JHC, yet another way to make everyone suffer -- and I mean SUFFER -- for the sins of the few.
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:17 PM
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16. As it is in california
Buying more than a small amount at a time is already impossible at pharmacies. You get your driver's license scanned which keeps track. Of course you could have your friends and such buy for you.

Still, whatever law happens, there will be other ways to make drugs.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:34 PM
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18. I'd like to see statistics on meth use in states that already have this kind of law.
As I mentioned in another response, we have this in Arizona -- and it's in Nevada too. I wonder if meth use has decreased since this process began. Has anyone seen statistics that say it works? Doesn't work?
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:41 PM
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23. I'm a former user
I was never a heavy user but it was a great thing to do every once in awhile. Last time I tried it was a year ago and it was garbage, I was still drunk and I still fell asleep that night. When you're drunk and you take a hit it sobers you right up and you feel alert and your brain starts functioning alot faster.

Not sure if the production stopped but the quality is low. However majority of the meth today comes from Mexico and not the US.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:40 PM
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21. The state is going down the shitter and they waste time on this?
Looks like Arnie is not the only one who should be shown the exit door.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:40 PM
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22. Sudafed is the only thing that unstops my nose when I have a cold.
I am not happy about this. It is going to MASSIVELY increase the cost, because drug companies always charge more for Rx drugs than an equivalent OTC. Bastards.

At least I can write the prescription myself for "hospital use", wink wink, and not have to take time off work and spend money to see a doctor that can't tell me anything I don't know when it comes to head colds.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 03:50 PM
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24. It's still treated as OTC here...
we just have to go to the pharmacy window and show ID to get it. Pin in the butt. Cost is maybe a little more than it was before, I can't remember honestly. There are no more bulk packs which kept the cost down. I have to buy it in 20 capsure blister packs. The 12-hour generic is about $4.75 at Target.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 04:19 PM
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26. Yeah, I ought to go stock up at Target before they make it prescription
Edited on Wed Jun-03-09 04:19 PM by kestrel91316
just to save myself some hassle.

None of this would be necessary if I could take benadryl, I suppose, but it gives me a bizarre paradoxical reaction where I get agitated so I CAN NOT take it, lol.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 04:29 PM
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30. Sudafed and benadryl do different things...
Sudafed is a decongestant that unplugs my nose. Benadryl is an antihistimine that's supposed to deal with allergies -- stop the itchy eyes and sneezing. Benadryl makes me sleepy so I take generic claritin instead. I need both of them.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 05:29 PM
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33. Yeah, but all the cold meds are full of benadryl now that they are trying to avoid sudfed.
Sigh.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 04:22 PM
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27. More stupidity brought to you by the War on Drugs
We lost, badly, get over it and legalize all drugs.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 06:09 PM
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36. I agree
Oddly they want to loosen restrictions on pot with medical pot but they want to control cold medicine because some idiots turn it into meth? Just what I want to do run to my doctor every time I have a runny nose. Isn't more cost effective just to give the meth users their meth an treat their addiction later than prevent non-users from their cold medicine?
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 04:25 PM
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29. You know what pharmacies do with those lists they make of people who purchase meds that could ...
be used to make meth, like Claritin D?

They throw 'em away.

Yep. They don't send 'em to the DEA or any other branch of government. They just get thrown away.

How is this protecting anyone?
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 05:46 PM
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34. *shakes head*
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votingupstart Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 06:00 PM
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35. what about mexico? road trip?
are they requiring the same thing if i were i socal could i plan a weekend trip to TJ and fill up for the years runny noses?
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 06:11 PM
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37. A rare case of the Democrat being stupid and the Republican presenting a reasoned argument
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 06:42 PM
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43. Oklahoma was one of the earliest if not the earliest to do this
and it was met with great success in the communities. Meth is bad and I'm all for whatever it takes to get it off the streets. We're having a resurge of numbers of meth labs busted now though and I'm not sure as to why.
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