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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 09:57 AM Original message |
Please, Mr. Obama; no kissing or holding hands with the Saudi royalty. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
1. it is a custom in that part of the world - I worked there for 4 years |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 10:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Bah. Mocking the bushes for being subject to the Saudi royalty is no problem for me. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 10:30 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. How provincial of you. |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I am a sovereign individual and my president represents a sovereign nation. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. The social greeting rituals of foriegn countries bear zero relation to what country you come from. |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. I don't see what touching or demanding to be touched has to do with manners. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Fine. If you meet Obama or his wife, refuse to shake hands on the grounds of your equality. I could |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. I don't wonder what people think of me in general. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #9 |
46. It is incorrect |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. The kiss or hand holding isn't a royal thing. Everybody does it. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-04-09 06:02 AM Response to Reply #51 |
84. Then go for it.... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #9 |
48. Bush was repeatedly pictured holding hands with the Saudi Prince |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. No, Obama should punch him in the nose. ya think? It's not a royal thing. It's a custom |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #53 |
62. The Saud royal pigs deserve no sign of respect, except to be put up against a nice clean wall |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 01:35 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Then you and Osama Bin Laden agree on that. |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Oh, I don't think it's just the two of us,but you already know that |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. I didn't say or imply that it was just the two of you. I'm not a big fan of the House of Saud either |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. All nineteen terrorists came from Saudi Arabia. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Actually, most of the 19 came from Saudi Arabia. There was a Yemeni, and an Egyptian I believe |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #53 |
73. You said "when in Rome." Well, they weren't in Rome. They were in the U.S. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. Yeah, except every single President from what Roosevelt on has re-affirmed our close |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. And how many of them walked around holding hands with the Saudis? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. oh my. You are really upset about that. Aren't you? |
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konnichi wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. I have a feeling you're not in line for an ambassadorship. |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:26 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. Yeah, cause I don't bow either. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. and when someone says hello, you ignore them because you aren't bound by social graces. Good for you |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. I do what I want to do when I want AND I am gracious and respectful. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Yeah, being better than everyone else is how you display your graciousnees and respect. Not that you |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. You are right about everything but the "better than everyone else part" |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #32 |
43. So why do you care so much what Obama may or may not do? Isn't it his business? |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. He's the president of the US. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. So when he kisses a baby it make you upset? Or if he gives an old friend a peck on the cheek, you |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. No. Despite what the greeting "is" in their culture |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. how about this - worthy of a mock? |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. I am sorry, but the pic is not showing. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #27 |
34. weird - shows in my view |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Well, since there is no power dynamic between these two men, what do I care. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. no - you said these gestures were worthy of being mocked |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. I may not have communicated it well upthread, but this has to do with their stations |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #44 |
57. it is baffling to me as to why you find a hug, or holding hands as "diminshing" oneself |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. juvenile |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #8 |
17. I am of the opinion his kissing and holding hands had more to do with personal business |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. you will never be successful in conducting business with the Saudis |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #20 |
29. I will not succeed anywhere where I am required to diminish myself to others. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. why do you see it as diminishing yourself? |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. It is diminishing because it appears (despite facts) to be subjecting yourself to that person. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #1 |
11. So is slavery. nt |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. I don't understand your point. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. The point is that "custom" is not sufficient basis for granting a cultural practice respect. |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:34 AM Original message |
I truly despise "custom" and "that's how it is" as explanation of anything. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. hopefully our President has a more worldly view - embracing differences in customs |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. LOL. Way to ignore the substance of my post. nt |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Substance? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. The poster's argument was an appeal to authority based on "custom"; the comparison is apt. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:52 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. The poster's argument was an appeal to diplomacy based on custom. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. I live in Dearborn, Michigan. Google it, and you'll realize why you're so off base. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Ah, the "I've got lots of black friends" argument. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. LOL! As opposed to the "baseless allegation of racism" that is wholly unsupported by facts? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #11 |
30. Slavery is illegal in that part of the world. But how would you know that? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. It continues to exist. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #33 |
41. It continues to exist all over the world. It was a custom everywhere. But now it's illegal |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. It is not honest to pretend that Saudi Arabia does not have a specific and continuing history |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 12:15 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. Slavery was legal in Guatemala until 1959. Mexico outlawed slavery 200 years before the US did. |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
2. but watch the "liberal media" go into extreme overdrive pointing out how |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
4. You have a problem with men kissing and holding hands? |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 10:44 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I have a problem with the leader of my nation doing that with the leader of another country |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
80. I guess you wouldn't like him exchanging bows with the Japanese either |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
12. so are a same-sex couple, or a husband and wife to be mocked if |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. No. See my reply to this silly notion above. |
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Ezlivin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
13. And no personal fouls when you are on the court |
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gauguin57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
56. I don't think anyone should be holding hands with, or kissing, people who treat women as they do. |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. I tried to avoid this kind of comment and focus on the gestures, |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Would the Saudi king kiss and hold hands with Hillary Clinton? |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. What an excellent point on this issue! |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Don't expect a response from the House of Saud apologists on this thread |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Thread killing is apparently my forte as this one's dropping fast. |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #64 |
83. I'll give it a kick for ya! |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #60 |
71. Hillary is not a "fellow leader of our country". She holds an office that makes her subordinate to |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. Dream on. If she were President, she would NOT get the same treatment. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #60 |
75. Excellent post! n/t |
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Jack Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
67. A simple bow would show diplomatic respect. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. I think that he bowed enough the last time they met. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
70. It's all a part of keeping your friends close and your enemies even closer. nt |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
72. You know on DU nothing Obama does will satisfy people. Here's the first time a US president has |
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sl8 (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-03-09 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
77. How about shaking hands? |
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