I just told a rabid anti-choicer I am donating $20 to Planned Parenthood

[proud2BlibKansan]

every time he posts false information about abortion.

In the last 3 days he has posted that Dr. Tiller aborted "inconvenient" babies, he aborted more black than white babies and he covered up child rape.

That's $60. :evilgrin:

[EFerrari]

1. You're way more rational and patient with those people than I could ever be.

lol

[proud2BlibKansan]

11. It's great mental exercise

Plus they are so easy to prove wrong. LOL

[rwheeler31]

2. Are you talking to that ugly Kline ?

[proud2BlibKansan]

10. I have wondered if he is posting under a fake name

A couple of our locals sound a lot like him.

[SmileyRose]

3. I am a real bitch about this

I have more than a couple of RWnutjobs in my sphere of life. I got sick of their BS emails so I sent out invitations to attend a party to celebrate an upcoming abortion - like a baby shower. I talked about how excited the mother was that the date to go abort her baby was finally here and was eager to share the joy with her dear friends. I even detailed all the party games.

The emails stopped.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

4. Tha's very creative.

I think that's great.

[uppityperson]

5. That is very good, very very funny in a sick twisted sort of way I really like

I hope it is ok if I copy you if need be.

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. That's awesome

One of my fellow liberals on this particular blog told the wingnuts she goes in for a spa abortion every couple of months. So now when they get rabid, she and I talk about meeting at the spa for the weekend. I am in need of a pedicure and an abortion, it's been too long since my last one. Shuts them up pretty good for a day or two. But they always come back. Sigh.

[Jack Rabbit]

6. I hope you can afford it.

Right wing morons don't think there's a pressing need to check their facts.

[zbdent]

7. "he covered up child rape" ... so Tiller was covering up

fundie/freeper child abuse?

[MercutioATC]

8. Of the three, the first two might not be false.

1) Some women DO have abortions simply because a baby would be "inconvenient".

2) I have no idea what the racial mix of his patients were, but I'll bet you don't either.

...as for #3, that's a pretty strong allegation to make without any evidence.

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. Kansas law is very strict

Tiller did late term abortions which are highly restricted. I am positive he wasn't aborting for the convenience of the mother. He would have been charged with a crime and put behind bars. So I am positive those allegations are false.

[MercutioATC]

14. Two problems with that:

1) It's already been established that Tiller occasionally neglected to get the required 2nd independent evaluation.

2) It's easy enough to claim "medical necessity" by citing the mental health of the mother. While this may be a valid reason in many cases, it's easy enough to fake...either by the mother or the doctor (especially without a 2nd independent evaluation).


I'm not accusing Tiller of wrongdoing, but I am stating that his practices left the matter open to debate.

[proud2BlibKansan]

15. 1) First I have heard of that; where are you getting that information?

KS law is so strict and he was so carefully watched I can't imagine why he was still in business at the time of his death if he did break the law. He was recently charged with several misdemeanors and acquitted. So I think you are either misinformed or confused that he broke the law requiring a 2nd independent evaluation.

2) Again, the second independent evaluation is REQUIRED. Pretty hard to fake, especially with the state AG, the county DA and rabid anti-choicers watching everything he did.

[MercutioATC]

16. Kansas state law:

"Statute 65-6703: Abortion prohibited when fetus viable, exceptions; determination of age of fetus; determination of viability; reports; retention of medical records; viable, defined; criminal penalties. (a) No person shall perform or induce an abortion when the fetus is viable unless such person is a physician and has a documented referral from another physician not legally or financially affiliated with the physician performing or inducing the abortion and both physicians determine that: (1) The abortion is necessary to preserve the life of the pregnant woman; or (2) a continuation of the pregnancy will cause a substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman."

http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Chapter_65/Article_67/65-6703.html

The allegation was that DR. Ann Kristin Neuhaus was financially affiliated with Tiller. Tiller always used Neuhaus for his 2nd opinions, she had no other practice apart from providing referrals for Tiller, and her fees were collected by Tiller's office. While a jury found Tiller not guilty, the arrangement between Tiller and Neuhaus would be a cause for concern to most people.

[proud2BlibKansan]

17. It was an allegation and he was found not guilty

Do you not understand that?

There are also allegations he protected child rapists. Do you believe that too?

[MercutioATC]

18. The arrangement with Neuhaus seems completely legitimate to you?

I can't find a statement from the jury (if they made one), so I don't know why they chose not to find him guilty.

However, the facts surrounding their relationship definitely sound shady to me.


Again, this is in response to your claim that Kansas state law is strictly enforced, so there's no way he could have violated the law and gotten away with it. To me, it seems that he did just that.

[proud2BlibKansan]

19. Again. A jury found him not guilty.

That's enough for me.

I remember when they passed this law. The objection to it at the time (and the problem with it now) is that it says there can be no professional or financial relationship between the two doctors. That means that Dr. Tiller could not PAY the 2nd physician for the 2nd opinion. So his clinic had to make sure the 2nd doctor's billing was independent of theirs. But the patient was having a single medical procedure. So yes, it would be relatively easy to imply that there was a relationship between the doctors.

But he was accused of violating the law and he was acquitted. That is important to remember: It was merely an accusation and it was unproven in a court of law. It was only a misdemeanor but the state AG's office was involved and the anti-choicers had attorneys (including our former fundie state AG who had pressed for the charges to be brought up in the first place) looking over their shoulder constantly.

I was actually amazed he was acquitted. They had prepared for the case for literally years, maybe even a decade. So I am very satisfied that he was NOT breaking the law.

[TommyO]

9. I just did something similar on a forum over at topix

An anti-choice nutbag was spreading lies about Planned Parenthood. I made a pledge to make a donation in her name for each subsequent lie she posts. A couple of her cohorts made their expected personal attacks against me, but the first troll hasn't posted anything else against Planned Parenthood. I fully plan to follow through on my promise, and will probably make a donation anyway.