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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 05:26 PM
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* McClatchy:* "Obama Heeded Maliki on Abuse Photos; What That Says for Our Occupation"


By: Scarecrow Monday June 1, 2009 6:15 pm


McClatchy's Nancy Youseff reports that a principal reason Obama reversed himself on the release of further pictures of detainee abuse is because Iraq Prime Minister Maliki protested there would be major violence in Iraq that would force an earlier US withdrawal.

President Barack Obama reversed his decision to release detainee abuse photos from Iraq and Afghanistan after Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki warned that Iraq would erupt into violence and that Iraqis would demand that U.S. troops withdraw from Iraq a year earlier than planned, two U.S. military officers, a senior defense official and a State Department official have told McClatchy. . . .

When U.S. officials told Maliki, "he went pale in the face," said a U.S. military official, who along with others requested anonymity because of the matter's sensitivity.

The official said Maliki warned that releasing the photos would lead to more violence that could delay the scheduled U.S. withdrawal from cities by June 30 and that Iraqis wouldn't make a distinction between old and new photos. The public outrage and increase in violence could lead Iraqis to demand a referendum on the security agreement and refuse to permit U.S. forces to stay until the end of 2011.

Maliki said, "Baghdad will burn" if the photos are released, said a second U.S. military official.

The article goes on to describe efforts by US commanders to convince Obama to withhold the photos, re-enforcing the arguments from Maliki.

But put aside, for the moment, what this says about the photos. What does it say about our continued occupation?


If the Iraqi people had further photo confirmation of US military behavior, coupled with the apparent failure of US authorities -- including the current White House and Justice Department -- to hold senior officials accountable, the report says Iraqis would demand the US military get out of their country sooner.

That reaction sounds perfectly rational and morally justified to me. I can't think of any reason why a self-respecting nation or its citizens should tolerate the presence of foreign troops whose government long ago forfeited any claim that its occupation is/was a moral or beneficent influence and that couldn't even deal honestly with it's own egregious misconduct.

But the official US policy is this: If the Iraqis started using more violence to protest our continued presence in their country (and their government's acquiescence in that occupation), we'd have to remain there and use force to counter the violence.

If this incoherent, boot-strapping rationale is the best we can come up with for our/Obama's Iraq policy, I'd said its time for us to get out. The issue isn't just the photos; it's the unthinking, unexamined presumptuousness of the occupation. We no longer have any moral claim, any valid justification for being there, if we ever had one.

We need to end that occupation; then apologize, come home and, as General Sanchez said on Countdown, try to confront what we've done to them, and to ourselves, and ask why/how we let it happen. And while we're doing this, it is we who need to be looking at the photos, not just the Iraqis.

more at.......

http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/5564
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 05:28 PM
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1. I'm not buying into this story. My impression is that the elites in the Pentagon told Obama "No." NT
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 05:29 PM
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3. you are probably right, Maliki knows whats in the photos
pretty much every Iraqi knows.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 05:28 PM
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2. Iraqis already know what we've done there better than anyone
i don't think Maliki knows WTF he's talking about.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 05:32 PM
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4. And because we are "An Epic Fail" with regard to winning the hearts and minds of either
the Iraqi (or Afghani) people, we have already LOST any benefit of Occupation.

Almost every average Iraqi HATES our guts and will "lie low" and pick off our soldiers AT WILL. It doesn't matter how long it takes, they will RESIST the occupiers for generations.

Only the Pentagon and our Legislators refuse to admit the truth.

WE ARE THE INVADERS ... It's time to make like a sheepherder and get the flock out of Iraq.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 06:20 PM
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8. Could he still be under bush and cheney reign...I think they set up
a lot of traps for Obama...so that he would be forced into continuing this war for oil...I would imagine that the American oil companies would want that...
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 05:33 PM
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5. Horse puckey!... Bring our troops home!
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 05:42 PM
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6. Sounds A Bit "Hinky" To Me!! Like There Isn't Enough Information Out
there already. Just "talking" about more pictures could do THE VERY SAME THING!!!

Methinks this is just more "Pentagon-ie" stuff! Each day my mind gets more and more boggled by more and more "stuff" that keeps happening and the EXCUSES we are getting as to WHY!!

Call me FED UP! But then IF anyone has been reading any of "my" posts, my opinion is well known! CHANGE & HOPE!! HOPE & CHANGE!! I have a few others words I would use instead, but I'll refrain!

JMHO!!

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 05:42 PM
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7. This does not hold water. The Iraqis who were the prison
can speak for themselves in Iraq. They know what happened. The release of the photos would not be more incendiary than the statements and eyewitness reports of those who were tortured and lived to report it.

So, this excuse is nonsense. Besides, it is just a matter of time before all sorts of phony, photo-shopped "abuse" photos turn up on incendiary sites just to get attention. This whole excuse is about as lame as any excuse the Bush gave for stuff.

Can't they get some folks with above average IQs to work for the government in D.C.?

They should release the photos with huge mea culpas. Obama should make clear that he was not part of the torture and that those who authorized the torture will be tried and face whatever justice they are deemed to deserve. That's the way a man deals with mistakes.

Eye witnesses in Iraq v. photos. The eye witnesses are far more incendiary. And their statements are all over the internet.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 06:33 PM
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9. Amazing isn't it? Johnson couldn't supress photos of Tet
Americans saw the destruction of Hue City, the attack on the Embassy compound in Saigon, the siege of Khe Sanh. The madness of the conflict could not be kept secret.

Nixon couldn't suppress photos of Hamburger Hill. He couldn't squelch the record on the My Lai massacre which had taken place in Johnson's last year. He couldn't even stop publication of the Pentagon Papers which were stolen government property and classified secrets.

What if Johnson and Nixon could do what Obama is doing? What if Americans were successfully prevented from seeing what US liberation of S.Vietnam really meant?
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 06:38 PM
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10. I've got buyers remorse with Obama. He's a damned disgrace.
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