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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 12:09 AM
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The "Pro Life" idiots have expressed their wishes that we not politicize Tiller's murder
I suppose they also wish we not talk about THIS!!!!

Murders
In the U.S., violence directed toward abortion providers has killed at least 9 people, including 5 doctors, 2 clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort.<4>

March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of the year before. Michael F. Griffin was found guilty of Dr. Gunn's murder and was sentenced to life in prison.
June 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside of another facility in Pensacola. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings, received a death sentence, and was executed September 3, 2003.
December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi, who prior to his arrest was distributing pamphlets from Human Life International,<5> was arrested and confessed to the killings. He committed suicide in prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag tied around his head. Salvi had also confessed to a non-lethal attack in Norfolk, Virginia days before the Brookline killings.
January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with the crime and received two life sentences as a result.
October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death at his home in Amherst, New York. His was the last in a series of similar shootings against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Dr. Slepian's murder after finally being apprehended in France in 2001.
May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed as he served as an usher at his church in Wichita, Kansas.<6>
A fifth doctor, George Patterson, was shot and killed in Mobile, Alabama on August 21, 1993, but it is uncertain whether his death was the direct result of his profession or rather a robbery.<7>


Attempted murder, assault, and threats
According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.<8> The attempted murders were:<9><10><4>

August 19, 1993: Dr. George Tiller was shot outside of an abortion facility in Wichita, Kansas. Shelley Shannon was charged with the crime and received an 31-year prison sentence.
June 29, 1994: June Barret was shot in the same attack which claimed the lives of James Barrett, her husband, and Dr. John Britton.
December 30, 1994: Five individuals were wounded in the same-day shootings which killed Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols.
December 18, 1996: Dr. Calvin Jackson of New Orleans, Louisiana was stabbed 15 times, losing 4 pints of blood. Donald Cooper was charged with second-degree attempted murder and sentenced to 20 years.<11>
October 28, 1997: Dr. David Gandell of Rochester, New York was injured by flying glass when a shot was fired through the window of his home.<12>
January 29, 1998: Emily Lyons, a nurse, was severely injured in the bombing which also killed Robert Sanderson.

Anthrax threats
The first letters claiming to contain anthrax were mailed to U.S. clinics in October 1998, a few days after the Slepian shooting, and since then, there have been a total of 655 such bioterror threats made against abortion providers. None of the "anthrax" in these cases was real.<13><9>

November 2001: After the genuine 2001 anthrax attacks, Clayton Waagner mailed hoax letters containing a white powder to 554 clinics. Waagner was convicted of 51 charges relating to the anthrax scare on December 3, 2003.

Arson, bombing, and property crime
According to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs").<8> The first clinic arson occurred in Oregon in March 1976 and the first bombing occurred in February 1978 in Ohio.<14> More recent incidents have included:<4>

December 25, 1984: An abortion clinic and two physicians' offices in Pensacola, Florida were bombed in the early morning of Christmas Day by a quartet of young people (Matt Goldsby, Jimmy Simmons, Kathy Simmons, Kaye Wiggins) who later called the bombings "a gift to Jesus on his birthday."<15><16><17>
October 1999: Martin Uphoff set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, causing US$100 worth of damage. He was later sentenced to 60 months in prison.<18>
May 28, 2000: An arson at a clinic in Concord, New Hampshire on resulted in damage estimated at US$20,000. The case remains unsolved.<19>
September 30, 2000: A Catholic priest drove his car into the Northern Illinois Health Clinic after learning that the FDA had approved the drug RU-486. He pulled out an ax before being shot at by a security guard.<20>
June 11, 2001: An unsolved bombing at a clinic in Tacoma, Washington destroyed a wall, resulting in US$6000 in damages. <18>
July 4, 2005: A clinic Palm Beach, Florida was the target of an arson. The case remains open.<18>
December 12, 2005: Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe threw a Molotov cocktail at a clinic in Shreveport, Louisiana. The device missed the building and no damage was caused. In August 2006, Hughes was sentenced to six years in prison, and Dunahoe to one year. Hughes claimed the bomb was a “memorial lamp” for an abortion she had had there. <21>
September 13, 2006 David McMenemy of Rochester Hills, Michigan crashed his car into the Edgerton Women's Care Center in Davenport, Iowa. He then doused the lobby in gasoline and then started a fire. McMenemy committed these acts in the belief that the center was performing abortions, however Edgerton is not an abortion clinc.<22>
April 25, 2007: A package left at a women's health clinic in Austin, Texas contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death. A bomb squad detonated the device after evacuating the building. Paul Ross Evans (who had a criminal record for armed robbery and theft) was found guilty of the crime. <23>
May 9, 2007: An unidentified person deliberately set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Virginia Beach, Virginia.<24>
December 6, 2007: Chad Altman and Sergio Baca were arrested for the arson of Dr. Curtis Boyd's clinic in Albuquerque. Altman’s girlfriend had scheduled an appointment for an abortion at the clinic. <25>
January 22, 2009 Matthew L. Derosia, 32, who was reported to have had a history of mental illness <26>rammed a SUV into the front entrance of a Planned Parenthood clinic in St. Paul, Minnesota.<27>


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#Incidents_in_the_United_States


Don't even talk about the Anthrax letters mailed to abortion clinics either.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 12:14 AM
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1. Fuck them.
Fuck them in their asses and every other orifice.

If George Tiller was a fiery anti-choice pastor or other important anti-choice figure who'd been murdered by someone pro-choice, they'd be screaming for blood. Fuck them.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 05:53 PM
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21. +1(000)!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 12:16 AM
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2. Aren't they just peaches? I think we have different mindsets.
We have to. Why are our values so different?
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 12:16 AM
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3. kick
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 12:18 AM
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4. Pro-lifers have been imposing THEIR wishes on others for long enough....
...they can go jump off a steep cliff and take their bibles and control-freak Patriarchy with them.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 12:19 AM
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5. As far as I am concerned they are all domestic terrorists.
Edited on Tue Jun-02-09 12:21 AM by BrklynLiberal
There was all this screaming and ranting about how the moderate Muslims never came out and condemned what the fanatics
were doing...not even a valid accusation.
So where are the actual anti-choice advocates who could have come and out and condemned the persecution of doctors and provocation of those that would murder those doctors for performing legal medical procedures?
I do not consider those hypocrites who "tsk tsk" AFTER the murder as having condemned them. I want to know where they were when the names and and locations of these doctors were publicized. Where was the outcry against the taking of a life then??!!!....all these so called "pro-life" folks... Where were they when they actually could have saved a life?
They are mindless terrorists, and deserve to be treated as such.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 12:21 AM
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6. Only they can exploit bad news, when it favors them and hurts Dems.
Then they yell it from the rooftops.
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 12:26 AM
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7. This ain't about Democrats
This is about people.

Victims.

It's so much beyond that.

These fucking people are complete worthless fucking cowards. They pick on defenseless people, shout obsenities at rape victims and shoot people in the back. They are the lowest of the low and do it all in the name of their invisible fucking friend.

I'm so sick of all of em. They absolutely need to be thrown into the trash bin of history along with the KKK and Hitler.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 12:29 AM
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8. Actually I was talking about the pundits.
They will burn in the lake of fire.
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 12:37 AM
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9. Those losers don't have any real influence
This shit takes place IN OUR COMMUNITIES!!!!

For years these fuckers have been acting with impugnity riling up their flock and there is no federal response ANYWHERE.

It's carried on long enough and the last murder over this issue should have taken place years ago. At the very first act of violence. These assholes are attacking our mothers, sisters, aunts,, grandmothers, cousins, girlfriends and wives. Not only that but anyone working in these facilities.

The fucking pundits are small potatos in comparison to the assholes in the churches.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 12:45 AM
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10. But they both converge on tv and on the radio
they help influence people who are ignorant and full of hate. Both groups work together to create the insane dogma we hear and then one of them goes out and shoots someone. With the sanction/enabling of some crazy belief. They have huge influence and continue to grow their 'flock' with fear and hatred. What we need is to get the govt to hold standards on how far groups can push hate and fear. I would think shooting someone over ideology would be a red flag. Punish the groups that enable these animals.
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 12:57 AM
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11. Here's the thing
When they get on Hannity and others they tend to dull of their rhetoric.

I'd rather they go full bore with it. Recently a Rasmussen poll claimed that the public is now generally AGAINST abortion rights. I wonder how much of that public gets to see folks like Operation Rescue for who they really are.

I bet they don't.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 01:20 AM
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12. 78% of Americans support abortion rights, according to the ACTUAL poll nos.
the actual poll had a set of questions. the one that gets quoted (how interesting) is that the majority of Americans are pro-life.

Typical of the bullshit media with live with in this time, Gallup misrepresented their own findings since the majority of Americans support abortion rights - this just means that "pro-life" is a meaningless phrase to apply to an extremist point of view.

Anti-abortion is the correct phrase.

less than 24%, which also happens to be the same minority that continued to support Bush until the bitter end, think that all abortion should be illegal.

so, people may call themselves "pro-life" but that means, to the majority of Americans, that "pro-life" equals a woman's right to privacy to determine, with her doctor, if abortion is necessary.

Gallup's headline is a lie. I find it incredible that this major polling organization so misrepresented the findings of their poll, but they did. In other words, based upon this incident, Gallup is not a reliable news organization. They are more like Jerry Springer.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/More-Americans-Pro-Life-Than-Pro-Choice-First-Time.aspx

78% OF AMERICANS SUPPORT ABORTION RIGHTS.

that's the reality of the poll.

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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 04:28 PM
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20. I'm not saying I agree with the labeling of the poll
Just citing it.

And Pro Lifers are using it to claim they now control the issue.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 01:27 AM
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13. The murder was a political act.
We don't have to "politicize" it. It's already politicized by it's very nature.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 10:21 AM
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14. Exactly. That ship has sailed. nt
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 10:29 AM
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15. Fuck them and their wishes
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kiranon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 11:16 AM
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16. Please drop the term "prolife" and use "anti-choice" instead in honor
of Dr. Tiller and because "prolife" doesn't reflect what these anti-choice zealots are all about. Choice includes having your baby but anti-choice includes death of the mother and/or the fetus if medical help is not forthcoming. Abortion is between a woman and her doctor.
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kiranon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 11:17 AM
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17. Please drop the term "prolife" and use "anti-choice" instead in honor
of Dr. Tiller and because "prolife" doesn't reflect what these anti-choice zealots are all about. Choice includes having your baby but anti-choice includes death of the mother and/or the fetus if medical help is not forthcoming. Abortion is between a woman and her doctor.
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kiranon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 11:17 AM
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18. Please drop the term "prolife" and use "anti-choice" instead in honor
of Dr. Tiller and because "prolife" doesn't reflect what these anti-choice zealots are all about. Choice includes having your baby but anti-choice includes death of the mother and/or the fetus if medical help is not forthcoming. Abortion is between a woman and her doctor.
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kiranon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 11:19 AM
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19. Oops. Do not know how this all copied over and over again. Please delete 2 of these.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 06:39 PM
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22. If they're really serious, they should give the FBI the names & addresses
of everyone they've had contact with who has violent tendencies.
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