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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 07:48 PM
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77.8 Cents on the Dollar: Or Mommies Give Away $200 Billion a Year to Employers
“We are the slaves of slaves. We are exploited more ruthlessly than men.”
Lucy Parsons


Most of us know that women, on average, make less than men. As of 2007, women earned about 77.8 cents for every dollar that men earned in the United States. What is 22.2 cents? Over time it adds up. If you are a woman with a college degree, chances are that you will earn almost one million dollars less, in your lifetime, than a man with a similar college degree.

http://www.pay-equity.org/info-time.html

This problem does not hurt just women. If affects their families, too.

According to the AFL-CIO, working families lose $200 BILLION every year due to the wage gap!


http://www.todaysworkplace.org/tag/chamber-of-commerce/

Wow! That is like a whole stimulus package every year. And the nation's women (and their children) pay most of it.

While all women face unequal pay, mothers are especially hard hit. A study done was done by Cornell to see if potential employers discriminate against mothers.

Suspecting that discrimination may play a factor in the lower wages of mothers, the researchers created hypothetical job seekers with resumes and other materials, and 192 Cornell undergraduates were asked to evaluate them as candidates for a position as marketing director for a start-up communications company.

"We created two applicant profiles that were functionally equivalent," Correll said. "Their resumes were very strong; they were very successful in their last jobs. In pretesting, no one preferred one applicant over the other; they were seen as equally qualified."

Next a memo was added to one of the profiles, mentioning that the applicant was a mother of two children, and her resume was modified to show that she was an officer in a parent-teacher association. The memo and resume in the second applicant's materials made no mention of children.
When asked if they would hire these applicants, participants said they would hire 84 percent of the women without children, compared with only 47 percent of the mothers. In assigning a starting salary to the applicants, given a pay range appropriate for the job, participants offered non-mothers an average of $11,000 more than mothers.

http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/Aug05/soc.mothers.dea.html

Applicants who happened to be fathers were offered an average of $6000 more , suggesting that the “Mommy tax” has less to do with being a parent and much more to do with gender.

Here are some statistics about mothers in the workforce:

We face growing wage gaps between mothers and non-mothers (in 1991, non-mothers with an average age of thirty made 90 cents to a man’s dollar, while moms made only 73 cents to the dollar, and single moms made 56 to 66 cents to a man’s dollar).1 And this maternal pay gap has been growing. The pay gap between mothers and non-mothers actually expanded from 10 percent in 1980 to 17.5 percent in 1991.

Yes, it’s with motherhood—a time when families need more economic support for basic needs, childcare, and healthcare; not less support—that women take the biggest economic hits in the form of lower pay.


http://www.momsrising.org/manifesto/chapter7

No wonder the face of working class poverty in this country is so often that of a single mother. Imagine trying to support yourself and children and pay for day care---all on half the salary that your unmarried brother without children makes. This problem is not unique to the U.S. The European Union—which is supposed to have laws to ensure fair pay---also has a gender and a Mommy gap.

http://dev.ulb.ac.be/dulbea/documents/1238.pdf

Women in this country have been trying for years to achieve equal pay for equal work. However, these efforts have been opposed by the right wing, which portrays the gender wage gap as a choice that women make.

(W)e calmly demonstrate that while the average woman does indeed earn less than the average man, the gap has very little, if anything, to do with discrimination. It has everything to do with choice.

snip

Women earn less largely because we have the luxury of decisions that men generally can only dream of. We work less hours in the average work week, we are more likely to take time off to have kids or care for aging parents, and we choose lower paying fields requiring less formal education. Oh, and we’re less far less likely to be killed at work, a little detail often neglected at the NCPE.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=26066

“Choice”? Did I just read a conservative celebrating women’s right to choose? The right wing has done everything it can to deny women “choice” Their policies---sex education that is worthless, restricted access to contraception for underage and poor women, limiting abortion rights----are ultimately intended to create a large subclass of undereducated women who have the sole responsibility for providing for their families.

$200 billion dollars a year is a lot of money, particularly for businesses which rely upon low wage female employees to keep their bottom line lean. Here is the U.S. Chambers of Commerce arguing against the “Paycheck Fairness Act”. In the quote that follows, they describe the current rules which allow employers to set different wages for men and women based upon a variety of factors. Note that employers do not have to prove that the “difference” actually makes any difference in the employee’s ability to perform her work.

For example, employers may consider an applicant’s or employee’s education, experience, special skills, seniority, and expertise, as well as other external factors such as marketplace conditions, in setting salaries. Although some circuit courts have attempted to read a “business justification” or “business necessity” element into this
affirmative defense,26 the Supreme Court, quite prudently, has never endorsed such a reading and has made clear that the affirmative defense means what it says – any factor other than sex.


http://www.uschamber.com/NR/rdonlyres/ees4wigl7kc5bhgt4qbbsmvho3grefcnzjbgfufcubu3jgjetndeykqq2wkjkmsbff3vqatushkdsv6kzwt2l7t7mdh/070711_paycheck_fairness.pdf

When women are forced into motherhood at an early age, they miss out on education. They may also have to take a few years off work, which will place them a few years behind male coworkers in experience for the rest of their lives. . If some “special skills’ (like time in the military or participation in sports) are valued more highly than other “special skills” (like motherhood) then men get an additional boost. As for “marketplace conditions”---I assume that is a euphemism for Women who have to feed their kids will work for peanuts.

Mom, baseball and apple pie indeed.

Wal-mart, the subject of a gender discrimination suit as described in this article

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/24/business/24gap.html

Resisted calls to provide insurance coverage for birth control for its many female employees until faced with a lawsuit.

http://walmartwatch.com/blog/archives/wal_mart_finally_adds_birth_control_to_insurance/

Now, why would a company that employees so many women want to increase their chances of accidental pregnancy? When employers decide to cover other drugs but not birth control, they place an unfair burden on their female employees.

The exclusion of prescription contraceptives from health insurance coverage
unfairly disadvantages women by singling out for unfavorable treatment a health
insurance need that only they have. Failure to cover contraception forces women
to bear higher health care costs to avoid pregnancy, and exposes women to the
unique physical, economic, and emotional consequences that can result from
unintended pregnancy.

One of the most immediate economic consequences of not providing
contraceptive health coverage for women is the out-of-pocket cost of paying for
contraception. Women insured through employer-sponsored insurance or with an
individual policy are more likely than men to spend more than 10 percent of their
income on out-of-pocket costs and premiums.


http://www.nwlc.org/pdf/contraceptive%20coverage%20facts%20should%20know%20may%202008.pdf

From an economic point of view, unintended pregnancies should not be good for the employer--like Wal-Mart. If a women gets pregnant, she may have to miss work or quit. If she decides to get a termination, she may have to take several days off to travel to a different state, since the procedure is not available everywhere, thanks to anti-abortion efforts. So, why would employers fight so hard to resist paying for health prevention which would ensure a better work force?

I believe that business interests in the United States benefit from the reduced salaries they can pay women by claiming that the average man is “more committed to his job” (see the comments of one of the researchers in the New York Times article above).

Just as members of ethnic and racial minorities are denied equal education and are incarcerated at an increased rate in order to maintain a low wage, unskilled work force (which drives down wages for every worker) so women are denied adequate family planning, because it allows employers to stigmatize their whole gender as unreliable workers. And yet, women have been the most reliable underpaid workforce in this country for almost two centuries, since the start of the industrial revolution.

“Wherever wages are to be reduced, the capitalist class uses women to reduce them.”
Lucy Parsons as quoted in Angela Davis’ Women, Race and Class .


It is no accident that the political party which represents the interests of employers also embraces restrictions on women’s right to choose. The Republican Party platform of no abortion combined with their insistence that young women be denied birth control and even meaningful sex education is a recipe for an increased low wage work force. Note in this article

http://www.fnsa.org/v1n2/liagin.html

That while industrialized countries will go to great lengths to forcibly sterilize third world women, they do the exact opposite at home, enacting policies that encourage an increase in domestic birth rates. More kids per family---especially working class families headed by a single woman living in working class poverty—means more cheap labor for the future. From the standpoint of the working class, state laws which restrict teenaged girls’ access to birth control, (sensible) sex education and abortion have a negative effect on overall wages. Because, if employers can get a woman to do the job for half of what they pay a man, they will employee the woman. And complain that her kids make her a bad worker.

We can call abortion opponents “terrorists” and they can call us “Satanists”. Or we can stop playing the game of Divide and Conquer which the employer class in this country has staged for us. No one wants to see one in four U.S. pregnancies end in abortion. For those who believe that life begins at conception, it means that lives have been lost. For those who believe that women should control their own bodies---and destinies---it means that way too many women are the victims of unintended pregnancy---which is a public health problem, not a lifestyle choice as some would have us believe.

The solutions are not that hard. Follow the example of the Netherlands, which has a working sex education system and which provides universal access to contraception. If we do that, our abortion rate (and unintended pregnancy rate) should drop. At the same time, the standard of living for women and their (planned) children should rise. Give more than lip service to "family values". A woman does not stop having "value" the minute she gives birth. Show her that she matters. Ensure that her child will have health care and day care and good schools. Reward her for raising the next generation of workers, rather than docking her half of her pay.

We can continue our present war of name calling and violence. And the nation's employers will laugh themselves silly as nothing is done to address the economic situation of our nation's women and children. Or, we can actually do something to make things better in this country. We have nothing to lose but our sky high rates of childhood poverty (25%).

http://www.npc.umich.edu/poverty/

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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 07:51 PM
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1. Everyone gets paid the same in my union.
Race, gender or whatever has no bearing on pay.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 07:53 PM
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4. Unions are good that way...
But not all of us are so lucky.

Hey, OT, but is that Lemmy looking like Jesus?
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 08:50 PM
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13. Yes it is.
\m/
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 11:24 AM
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23. Dude... so freaking heavy!
So METAL! Haha! I'm pinching that puppy... Hope you don't mind. I'll leave you one here that I took back in the mid-90's... ok, I'll give you two Lemmys...



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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 07:54 PM
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5. Good point. The "Todays Workplace" link discusses the effect that unions have on women's wages.
When women unionize, the pay disparity decreases or vanishes.
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 08:30 PM
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9. there is still a LOT of sexism on who gets in and who gets promoted
just because pay scales are set doesn't mean all is well
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 10:29 PM
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16. Not really. Not in the building trades anyway.
Just about any female applicant that wants to get in, can get in. To whatever trade they want, provided they meet the basic requirements. It's a rough business but there is plenty of room for opportunity. I've found that there isn't too much of a difference between the sexes. If you're a worker you're a worker and if you're a toad you're a toad.
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 09:16 AM
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22. that's your opinion, and you are welcome to it....
in the pipe trades there is still a lot of sexism over who gets promoted

it is still the good old boys all helping each other, screw the women

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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 08:30 PM
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10. dupe post, delete
Edited on Mon Jun-01-09 08:30 PM by Scout
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 02:40 AM
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20. I wish it was in mine
The jobs that were traditionally held by women generally pay at a lower rate. Now if a man is in one of those slots, they get paid less as well now, but that is not the point. We also have several tiers in our contract which mean that we can have people of different "generations" doing the same job at different rates. It is also somewhat surprising that men can generally get bumped up in pay to the grandfathered rates when they take on department head responsibilities, but somehow women don't get that offer, even with larger departments that contribute more to the gross profit.


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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 07:52 PM
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2. Where are civil rights for women?
I've known since my first job that men make more than me for the same work. It's been my experience that they make 20 - 25% more in fact. Where is the outrage?

Oh June, just go cook something... :eyes:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 07:21 PM
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24. Where? Vatican & Mormon Church used tax-exempt dollars to defeat ERA . . . that's where --!!!
Remember that many women worked for 50% of what males were paid ---

even into the early 1970's!!!!

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 11:04 AM
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30. Well here it is the 21st century...
And we're still making 25% less... halfway to equality... I guess I should be satisfied :sarcasm:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 04:41 PM
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31. I hope you understood my post was agreeing with you . . . ?
Edited on Wed Jun-03-09 04:42 PM by defendandprotect
Yes, 25% is better consider that it effects your daily life --

your family -- your options -- your pension and your Social Security!!!

No one should be satisfied --

They used to keep this info "secret" --

but it was shocking when you got to see the records!

Good luck to all women on gaining parity!

:)


And, again, I don't know how many women are aware that the Vatican and Mormon religion

defeated the ERA?

That's why Prop8 in California shouldn't have been too much of a surprise!

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 07:17 PM
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32. Yes I understood...
Sorry for what clearly came off as a snarky remark. I should have clarified that it was not directed at you, but at all who supress civil rights... and the Vatican and the Mormon religion are at the top of that list. Women belong barefoot and preggers and cooking something delicious, serve "her man" when he wants, and shut up the rest of the time. It's an old story still being told.

Prop 8 wasn't much of a surprise to me once I saw who was backing it, that's for sure. There were several (so called) Christian churches in my area supporting their efforts as well. I'm pretty sure, that if there is a God, using his/her name to hurt others must surely be one of the biggest sins going!

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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 07:52 PM
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3. The wage-gap needs to be closed as soon as possible
Hopefully the ERA can be passed under Obama's administration.
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 07:55 PM
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7. Where exactly is the pay gap?
I've only ever worked in hourly positions and it seems as though everyone made the same amount of money.

Is it in a certain industry? Or a certain position?
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 09:06 PM
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14. some of it seems to be at the high end
consider this claim from a Wal-mart lawsuit

"Women store managers, he found, made an average of $89,280 a year, $16,400 less than men."

Of course, that's 84 cents to the dollar, and if other things are equal, like experience, size of store, etc. (which comparing averages does not tell you) then I can see how that would be annoying. But at $12,000 annual income per year, I have a hard time feeling sorry for somebody who is "only" making $89,280. And that story is from 2004.

Then also look at the other statistic from the OP. It said woman with a college degree is likely to have $1,000,000 less in lifetime earnings. Okay, so if $1,000,000 is the total gap and the gap is, say, 35%, then the man in question must be making $2,857,142.80 over his career. Even if the career is 40 years, that means his average salary is $71,428.57 which sounds kinda high end to me. After 21 years of work, my own lifetime earnings are about 1/10 of that total, so my two university degrees and my Y chromosome don't seem to have that much value in the open market. My sister is doing much better with her master's in education.

Note, I made generous assumptions. If the gap is only 23%, then lifetime earnings rise to $4,347,826 and if the career is only 35 years long (which seems long enough to me) then average salary rises to $124,223. Even a salary of $46,428.57 (65% of 71,428.57 from above) is not an ordinary working person's pay in my experience.
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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 09:08 PM
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15. That's Wal-Mart....not surprising in the least
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 07:54 PM
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6. Most of it quite possibly stems from mothers having less mobility than other women and men.
Edited on Mon Jun-01-09 07:56 PM by w4rma
As a mother, you tend to be much more afraid of losing your job than someone without the responsibilities of children to upkeep, so you are more likely to take whatever is given.

Mothers can't, most often, threaten to quit without a raise. Unions help mothers because unions give everyone in the union leverage to use by working together.
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PainPerdu Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 08:21 PM
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8. Cosmic coincidence
I was JUST thinking,last night, about the corporate push back on EFCA and how no doubt much is based in misogyny.

There was a thread by KOKO ,last night,dealing with acquiescent abuse of women by society,in general,and by sexual torture ,in particular.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 07:40 PM
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26. If males want an end to wars and MIC, more are going to have to begin
to fight patriarchy with us --

Misogyny is profitable in many ways for patriarchy - money and power!

Whether the exploitation of women or people of color, African-Americans, homosexuals,

etc . . . it is about converting money to power.



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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 08:30 PM
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11. This disparity always seems sidestepped.
Nice collection of information that hits all the reasons why shortchanging women is wrong. Let me know if I understand this correctly, but isn't the Lilly ledbetter act addressing this? Right on, with rewarding women for this incredible work.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 08:38 PM
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12. oh boy, the wage gap nonsense
I have never been in a workplace where a woman made 78 cents to my dollar, and I have been in lots of workplaces. It's kind of ironic for Lucy Parsons to claim that women are exploited more ruthlessly than men. She seems to have gotten a better deal, somehow, than Albert Parsons. It's just a ridiculous assumption to compare averages as if all other factors are equal.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 01:44 AM
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18. Last study I looked at did control for all factors and still found a
significant wage gap.
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 02:35 AM
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19. I'd be very interested in reading that study if you would gve a reference.
thanks in advance.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 02:54 AM
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29. was it this one?
http://maloney.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=379&Itemid=61

Obviously I cannot get that far into the weeds, but it seems to me right at the start with their jobs data that they are combining some significantly different jobs. Plus, that report, although it included a number of factors (if not 'all') and still concluded officially

"Due to inherent limitations in the survey data and in statistical analysis, we cannot determine whether this remaining difference is due to
discrimination or other factors that may affect earnings."

"Nonetheless, it is difficult, and in some cases, may be impossible, to
precisely measure and quantify individual decisions and possible
discrimination. Because these factors are not readily measurable,
interpreting any remaining earnings difference is problematic."

However, another person reads the data and says

"After accounting for so many external factors, it seems that still, at the root of it all, men get an inherent annual bonus just for being men. If this continues, the only guarantees in life will be death, taxes and the glass ceiling."

Which is really insulting to a man making $12,000 a year who cannot get a better job. Also, just last Saturday night 3 male janitors and one female moved four 150 pound stages onto a truck and then back off of a truck. While the three males shared that work, the female was neither asked, nor expected, to do as much lifting as a man. It's quite likely she is paid as much as the men (it's hard to compare though since I have been there almost 7 years, and my co-workers 4.5 and 3 and she just started.) Some men somewhere may get an "annual bonus just for being men" but I have never seen it.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 07:45 PM
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27. Even into the early 1970's women were making 50 cents for every $1 a male made!!
And that exploitation/mysogyny effected much more than the wage --

Social Security checks -- and pensions.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 12:01 AM
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17. K&R . . . thank you . . . back tomorrow --
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 04:22 AM
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21. Lengthy, but the subject matter is crucial
This makes me so damned mad. I don't even want to know the financial stats for those of us cursed with melanin in addition to ovaries...
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 07:37 PM
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25. It is worse---until you move into the post graduate education world.
Education is the great equalizer. Too bad they are pricing higher education out of the reach of so many people.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 07:48 PM
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28. Colleges/Universities have been corporatized --
and the elites did everything they could to price the non-elite out of college

--- that piece of paper that gets you a job and higher income.

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