Andrew Sullivan doesn't agree with Dr. Tiller.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

He said these women were in dire straits and the babies were quite deformed.

He doesn't agree with Dr. Tiller though. What IN THE HELL does he EXPECT women in this tragic situation to do?? Go ahead and die a preventable death?

Oh, I forgot. Catholic doctrines says to save the baby and throw away the mother. :eyes:

[SoxFan]

1. Show me where it says that in Catholic doctrine

Please give specific citations.

[anigbrowl]

3. For reference only

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01046b.htm < I am not approving this, it's just a good summary of the Catholic position.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

22. Pregnant 10 year old in Brazil - pregnant with twins from incest

Raped by her uncle. The pregnancy would kill her just because of her small size.

The high muckety mucks in the Catholic Church in Brazil said they could not permit her to get an abortion.

The president of Brazil allowed the abortion.

March 5, 2009 -- QUOTING ARTICLE in the New York Times:

Fatima Maia, director of the public university hospital where the abortion was performed, said the pregnancy, which was in its 15th week, posed a serious risk to the girl, who weighs 80 pounds. But Marcio Miranda, a lawyer for the Archdiocese of Olinda and Recife in northeastern Brazil, said the girl should have carried the twins to term and had a Caesarean section. “It’s the law of God: Do not kill,” he said in comments reported by the newspaper O Globo.
END QUOTE

This is insanity. :wtf:

[stray cat]

2. Many doctors will not perform late term abortions - why not go after them?

I doubt it is a pleasant procedure for anyone involved.

[PM Martin]

4. As you stated, these are very rare cases

where this specific procedure would have to be performed.

Sullivan is still a right wing ideologue at heart.

He is not on the side of of is right, decent, and needed.

[proud2BlibKansan]

10. In all fairness, Tiller also did abortions on very young girls, like 9 and 10 years old

Most were victims of incest and their family did not find out they were pregnant until it was too late for an early abortion. And Tiller was their only hope. Giving birth at that age can be fatal to the mother, not to mention the emotional toll.

[xchrom]

5. andrew sullivan is a right wing idealogue in the vain of bill buckley.

there is nothing reasonable, rational, or the least bit sane about that motherfucker.

except in the cases of marginal liberals who have looked to justify there thinking as interesting.

[PM Martin]

6. He is unstable, most surely.

[QC]

11. I hate the way Sully has been treated like the Delphic Oracle on DU

the past couple of years. It's sickening how many people here think he's some sort of progressive thinker or something. Those of us who have been following his career for more than the past three months know better.

[PM Martin]

13. Sullivan likes Obama for some reason.

That is why Sullivan is loved around here. Simple as that.

[QC]

14. Yes, that's all it takes to be a local hero now. n/t

[RamboLiberal]

7. John Cole gives a great reply to Sullivan

Some thoughts:

1.) What is wrong with your conscience that you “can’t support” their medical decision in these tragic cases?

2.) No one is asking you for your support, anyway. They are just asking that you help stop the people who are bombing the clinics where this is done, shooting the few doctors who provide these procedures, distributing wanted signs with rewards for their murder over pictures of them, hassling and stalking the people who work there, etc. In other words, they are asking that you treat the people threatening all of these people on a daily basis to be treated as they are- as a terror cell. But your support for their medical decision? Trust me, your moral support is the last damned thing on their mind.

3.) Andrew is wildly against single-payer. It’s socialist. Is he regularly donating to a charity that helps pay the millions of dollars of medical bills that multiple futile heart surgeries or multiple spinal surgeries these babies must endure before they die? Even the rosy scenario he posted yesterday states that only 50% might live in some diminished capacity after multiple surgeries. Or are these poor women supposed to not only give birth to a child that will probably never live a healthy day in its short life, in a risky childbirth that may kill the woman, but they also win hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills for futile procedures? Sorry about your luck, lady, but we have people’s consciences to think about here. Does Andrew think the only people going through this are upper East Side liberals with platinum health insurance and a six figure income and a disdain for human life? Is anyone in the pro-life community funding this for people? Or are they just too busy trading bomb-making tips with Operation Rescue?

What this country really needs right now is a serious case of mind your own damned business. We’ve turned into a nation of busybodies and scolds, and people just need to back off. And that goes for the people opposed to and trying to make illegal Andrew’s marriage, for people like Andrew who sound like they want the weight of the law to come down on people making tragic medical decisions that lead to late-term abortions, for the nutjobs who thought they knew better than Michael Schiavo how to handle his horrible situation with his wife, to the lunatics screaming “murder” when we do stem cell research, and so on.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=22073

[PM Martin]

8. Thank you.

Bareback :puke: Sullivan is not the friend of liberals.

[proud2BlibKansan]

9. So the mothers should risk infection and death??

What a selfish prick.

[PM Martin]

12. He's a religous bigot.

That is he want his religious beliefs to dictate how all of us live.

[MagickMuffin]

15. I guess he would be singing a different tune if he becomes a target for being gay

The same people who are responsible for the rhetoric against abortion are the same people against his rights to be gay. These people are working against gay rights and Andy thinks he has ALL the answers. He doesn't. He should be more supportive of the Pro-Choice movement.

[EFerrari]

16. Do you have a link for his comments?

[underpants]

17. Andrew Sullivan is a contrarian much like Arianna Huffington

whomever is "in power" they oppose in some way shape or form

[dem629]

18. The two best examples of that are Ann Coulter and Bill Maher.

[deaniac21]

19. Like Sullivan would know about women...

[QC]

20. Could you please explain this remark? n/t

[deaniac21]

23. He is a man, duh.

[UTUSN]

21. Like "barebacking" is SO Catholic!1 Oh!1 I guess it IS!1 n/t