Mother, two men charged with raping thirteen year old

[catmandu57]

http://www.theKansascitychannel.com/news/11513398/detail.html Sedallia Missouri: Two men and her mother have been charged with statutory rape after her 13 year old daughter gave birth last october. The report says that the men has intercourse with the girl 10-20 times, sometimes with the mother in bed with them.
This is the first time I've heard it, even though it happened last year, they didn't give details, though I imagine meth was involved somewhere.
The girl and her baby are in protective custody, and the men plus the mother face up to 70 years in prison.

[ourbluenation]

1. jesus h christ - i'm gonna hurl.

[Kikosexy2]

2. That is...

some crazy, dispicable sh*t...it's Kansas--must be a Republican family values kinda thing....totally f*#ked up...

[Alcibiades]

7. Um, Kansas City is in Missouri

Except for the town called "Kansas City, Kansas" on the other side of the river.


Anyway, this happened in Missouri. I used to live there--though St. Louis and K.C. are swell towns, there are, as you would suspect, vast tracts of land inhabited by the kinds of people who do these kinds of things, often while playing the banjo.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

8. This kind of thing happens

everywhere........... well what I mean is, craziness is not limited to any one state etc...

[Alcibiades]

16. These are crackers

I know them because they are my people, and it's sad. The ignorance and poverty has been made worse by meth amphetamines.

I'm sorry, but when black people do things, people are quick to point to the way they live, who they are. Poor white trash shouldn't get a free ride just because they are white-which, knowing Sedalia, I bet these folks are.

[BeliQueen]

3. Why not death?

I mean come on--the death penalty is under utilized in these scenarios.

You harm a child, you die. It should be as simple as that.

Up to 70 years--puhlease--they won't get more than 7 years, and that little girl will be scarred for the rest of her life.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. Why not?

The 8th amendment I'd assume.

[wake.up.america]

4. Put the men in prison with some tough, burly guys.

[High Plains]

11. Ah, the prison rape advocates make an appearance.

How charming.

[RebelOne]

33. I agree with that. Hope some Bubbas get a hold of them.

[Little Wing]

38. You read into that

I read into it a constant and thorough ass-kicking

[wake.up.america]

42. Rape?? Did I mention rape? Getting beat up? I do not advocate either.

But you can imagine what would happen if they were to put into prison without constant protection.

[dogday]

6. I keep reading these "Mother treating their kids so badly threads"

and my heart goes out to the kids who have had to endure hell....

[Alcibiades]

10. It's beyond unthinkable

and yet, time and time again, these things happen in the red states. I'm sorry, but if this is Republican family values, they can keep them.

[spoony]

13. A woman here just tried to sell her child

to perverts, and probably succeeded prior to being busted, and this is no red state. Life is too complicated to say it's only ever the other guys who are sickos. This sort of thing happens everywhere.

[AndyA]

9. Sick, sick, sick, sick, sick.

What the hell is wrong with people today?

I just can't believe the sick, perverted things people do today.

[High Plains]

12. Why do we keep posting these sorts of threads?

They are essentially local interest news stories.

But it is fun for everyone to express their outrage. Oh, boy.

[spoony]

15. Okay...so what do you feel, if not outrage?

Why post any stories at all eh? I mean most news is local. Who cares what happens elsewhere, as long as it doesn't touch your backyard right?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. it happens thousands of times every day.

It ain't news. It ain't outrage. It's Nancy Grace style sensationalism.

[spoony]

21. So if you ignore it, it'll all get better?

Homelessness happens everywhere all the time too. So does government abuse. Does frequency = unworthy of attention to you? How are people supposed to react if they don't know, and how will they know if they are not told?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

25. If you exploit it, will it get better?

[spoony]

26. How is this thread exploitation?

How is a news story exploitation?

Let me tell you what exploitation is: the crimes described here. And what enables them? Silence. Apathy. Those things are part of true exploitation.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

27. It's exploitation because it's not a news story.

it's a human interest story.

Person 1: "Oh my gosh! Did you hear about those rapists in Kansas!"

Person 2: "Ewww!"

Person 1: "Yeah, that was disgusting. Speaking of disgusting, did you hear Sanjaya sing on American Idol last night?"

Person 2: "Ohmigod ohmigod ohmigod. That was terrible!"

[spoony]

30. No, human interest stories

are about water skiing squirrels and kids who start charities to send people teddy bears or something. This is not a puff piece, it's a crime. Crimes are newsworthy.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

32. This is a puff piece.

Like somebody said below, "we're seeing more and more of this shit."

Child molestation hasn't increased, we're just seeing more and more stories about it because the news media's figured out that's what people want to hear about. Nancy Grace has made a career out of it. Every time some little blonde kid is kidnapped, raped and kid, she starts salivating. Why? Because that's what the masses want to hear about. It's like a juicy soap opera to them. They get to pretend to be outraged, then act macho by advocating for lifeterms, prison rape, and the death penalty. Then act shocked the next day when there's another story.

This shit ain't newsworthy. It's tabloid stuff.

[spoony]

34. There is a tabloid way of covering news like this

That doesn't mean it isn't news, though. I've seen stories on Bush in tabloids too, doesn't mean that his failings aren't newsworthy does it?

Talk about tossing the baby out with the bathwater. This stuff does deserve attention, it does need to be dragged into the light. Just because Nancy Grace wants some ratings doesn't mean DU should ignore it.

[High Plains]

20. Well, this is a forum mainly about politics...

...and there are lots and lots of posts about national and international issues.

Posting local crime stories like these...why? Again, they mainly seem to result in an outrage fest.

"I'm disgusted."

"I'm disgusted, too."

"I'm really, really disgusted."

"Let's kill 'em."

"No, let's have them get raped in prison."

"Ooh, they're sick."

Other than some cathartic effect for the posters, I don't see much use to this.

Also, the continual posting of these local sex crime stories probably leads to a phenomenon where people get the idea this stuff is going through the roof when it's really just that in this age of the internets we get somebody posting every local sex crime story. This is kind of the discussion board equivalent of FOX or MSNBC or CNN giving us breathless coverage of a workplace shooter in Sacramento (or wherever).

By the way, yes, I also disapprove of the behavior of the adults in this case. For what it's worth.

[spoony]

22. Hmmm, but I was just told it happens thousands of times a day

and that THAT'S what makes it non-news. So, which is it? The pointlessness of outrage over a common tragedy, or the pointlessness of outrage over an uncommon one?

[High Plains]

28. Rather than wallow in our beloved outrage...

...perhaps we should try to act like progressives. Rather than focus on the outrage, focus on what is causing this and what can be done to prevent it. I don't see howling for blood or vengeance (as many posters seem to be doing) as particularly progressive. And that's mainly what these kinds of posts incite.

[spoony]

31. Wow, so progressives can't react to something like this

from their hearts with horror without it being tawdry to you?

Why are you so offended that people are offended by crimes like this?

And who the hell says you can't be outraged AND proactive?

[High Plains]

39. Outraged and proactive...

That's better than just outraged, which is about all I see on this thread.

[spoony]

40. That's because outrage comes first.

A rather natural reaction, I'd say.

[philosophie_en_rose]

35. Well lah dee dah. Let's all hold hands and dance child abuse away.

Frankly, leaving human beings to be tortured is not a particularly progressive outlook.

Crying about a perpetrator's reasons for abuse is not going to matter to the children that are harmed right now.

The reason this story is important is that the child is important.

And, by the way, you have no idea what kind of work the non-NAMBLA members on DU have done on behalf of children.

[High Plains]

41. No, let's do something constructive...

WHAT YOU SAID: Frankly, leaving human beings to be tortured is not a particularly progressive outlook.

WHAT I SAY: Who said anything about leaving human beings to be tortured?

WHAT YOU SAID: Crying about a perpetrator's reasons for abuse is not going to matter to the children that are harmed right now.

WHAT I SAY: No one is crying about the poor perpetrator. The point I was trying to make is that we would be better served by attempting to understand and prevent such acts than by seeing who can be the most outraged. Would you like to prevent similar things from happening to others?

WHAT YOU SAID: The reason this story is important is that the child is important.

WHAT I SAY: Sure. Everybody is important.

WHAT YOU SAID: And, by the way, you have no idea what kind of work the non-NAMBLA members on DU have done on behalf of children.

WHAT I SAY: Attempting to imply that someone who disagrees with your take on this issue is a NAMBLA member is pretty scuzzy.

[ThomCat]

14. How much do you want to bet that either

the mother had a history of being victimized, or drugs were involved, or both?

I hope they all serve long sentences. You know that little girl will serve a life sentence of consequences from all of this.
x(

[catmandu57]

17. I have a pretty good hunch that Meth was the prime factor

We have a huge meth problem, I would bet the mother and I use that term loosely was trading her daughter for the drug. I think the girl was probably only twelve when this started, doing the math. These people are going away for a long time and the little girl will be scarred for life now.

[Horse with no Name]

18. Life sentences are too good for these people.

However, it is all we have.
May they rot in Hell for what they did.

[Iwasthere]

24. Seeing more and more of this Shit lately

My hunch is that much of it is related to TV and movies. You cannot tell me that when a child, or anyone sees too much blood guts and sexual deviancy they aren't impacted. One becomes desensitized to it and the mind does funny things.

[philosophie_en_rose]

36. It seems to be a progression, that's for sure.

A few weeks ago, there was a thread about a young child being "taught about sex" by sitting near her mom having sex with her boyfriend. A vocal minority here attacked people for seeing that child abuse that grooms the daughter for worse.

[WI_DEM]

23. I sure hope there is a special hell for these types of people

[helderheid]

29. fuckin a.

What the hell is WRONG WITH THESE MONSTERS?!

[ComerPerro]

37. If it was Sedalia, I am certain meth was involved.

[Alcibiades]

43. One thing I never see in these threads

is mention of the Adam Walsh Bill. Congress passed it a couple of years ago, and it's now being implemented. It's complicated, comprehensive, but it does offer some promise of doing something about the men (by and large, though I realize a woman is involved in this particular case) who prey on children.

The rape of this little girl is an outrage--let's use this as an occasion to talk about good public policy, and not simply to express the disgust we all feel toward these... people. Such a discussion does not need to revolve around offering excuses for abuse--I find it odd to assume anyone would think it would.