I Guess US Soldiers Raping and Murdering Prisoners is Not Sensational?

[tekisui]

We are learning exactly why the torture pictures need to be released. Not even Mancow will volunteer to be raped on the radio to see if it is torture. Without the images in the public, the public will not be sufficiently outraged to pres for justice.

The crimes were committed and documented. Blocking access to the truth will not make it go away. The future that too many are eager to look towards will be haunted by this past until the torturers are convicted. Until that time, we will be seen as a country that allows war crimes to proceed in our name. We will be seen as a society content with sweeping rape and murder under the rug.

We cannot move on until we learn from our past.

[Oregone]

1. Not really. Kind of expected

People wanted war, and that is what happens in war. When you send the "best and brightest" of society's bad apples off to kill other people, thats the shit everyone should *know* will happen prior to it. Id be shocked if there was a war that was free of rape, sodomy and attrocity. Hey, yeah, no shit. That IS war.

You don't go to Burger King and order a burger and fries sans fat. Its all one total package. Thats what war is too.

Its crazy people on any side of the spectrum are outraged about this now. It was a "known known" it would happen to anyone with a clue. Back in early 2003 would of been the time for "pre-emptive outrage"

[WCGreen]

2. I have to agree...

Although I do wish our so-called military culture would have acted like the professionals they profess to be...

Was I shocked that some kids with guns and uncheck authority were guilty of torture and rape and abuse? Not really, I read Lord of the Flies.

[KansDem]

4. I suppose the fact this was a needless war based on lies...

...makes the whole torture/sodomizing report more horrendous.

Sure, war is ugly, but Bush's war of lies and the torture enacted on innocent civilians in order to extract a "confession" that would tie in Saddam with al Qaeda after the fact is intolerable and needs to be dealt with severely.

edited for spelling...

[Oregone]

6. Ah, most wars are though

Most "reasons" for war are merely mechanisms concerned with selling the idea to the masses and garnering public support. Their usage should never be confused with their credibility.

[bobburgster]

5. You stated that so well!

Maybe someday society and the powers that be will recognize the all inclusive crap that happens in war.

[Oregone]

7. Yeah, thats my hope too

I find it annoying when I see some of the same personalities that supported war feign outrage when they "find out" what its really about.

Maybe re-emphasizing the true nature of war will make people rethink signing off on it in the future. Thus far, it hasn't seemed like a useful tactic of avoiding war during the last half of this millennium.

[Arctic Dave]

8. It isn't like no one went to the streets and protested.

However, when your up against Madison Ave. and "this war, will not be fought like any other war" BS, it is hard to sway even normal people that war is F'ed up in so many ways.

Hell, I'm almost surprised the MIC didn't give out "bomb an Iraqi" teddy bears.

[Oregone]

9. "bomb an Iraqi" teddy bears

:)

LOL


The bonus to that is that children could convert them to "Sodomize-me-Teddies" as they watch their heroes triumph through the war. They could come with a mysterious set of devices (board with straps, batteries and wires, etc) whose function would only become apparent to the young developing citizens as time progresses

[bobburgster]

10. Haha, even my wife gave a sadistic chuckle....

over the true irony if the previous. Yes, both her and I are relatively new members of this site. Can't believe we never found this place and suffered through the Bush years in isolation.

[OneGrassRoot]

11. Welcome, bobburgster and wife :)

:hi:

[bobburgster]

18. Thanks!

[OneGrassRoot]

12. True, but it seems this is the first time an administration has....

tried to make it part of legal policy.

That's a big difference with BushCo, and one which leads down an even faster-track road to hell.

As someone said elsewhere, we probably can't begin to imagine the atrocities throughout time; even now, what types of things happened that weren't photographed?

:puke:

[Enthusiast]

3. This is funny

"Not even Mancow will volunteer to be raped on the radio to see if it is torture."

[annabanana]

13. Here's Gibb, tap dancing around it yesterday:

http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/05/28/pentagon-denies-surpressed/

Here's Graham:

The American public needs to understand, we’re talking about rape and murder here,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), telling reporters in 2004 why the Abu Ghraib photos should not be released as former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld faced calls for his resignation. “We’re not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience. We’re talking about rape and murder and some very serious charges.” http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/05/28/flashback-torture-photos/

Ben Nelson also referred to rape in the above article . .

[Ganja Ninja]

14. I wish the pictures would come out.

We need to be saved from ourselves. We need a real shocker that can't be defended by the right wing gasbags. We need their sick twisted brand of patriotism to be exposed for the vile rotten festering infection it is.

[OneGrassRoot]

15. I was curious which "news" sources were carrying this....

if only online.

I Googled and, surprisingly, other than the expected HuffPo and truthout links, there was an aol link and two Faux News online links on the first page of hits.

It's the same article from the British paper, nothing new.

[KG]

16. america is a vengeful cesspool of racism, hatred, prisons, fueled by religious insanity, with a thin

glossy sheen of civility. just read the 'comment' section of any local newspaper site.

lots more people than you'd care to imagine think violent punishments and torture is a-ok.

[lunatica]

17. I'm glad you said this

I've been saying it only to end up having to defend myself. The very nature, the soul of war is death and destruction. War is about killing and destroying and taking and unleashing the worst in human beings who would otherwise mind their own business. War creates broken people on both sides.

But war is profitable for a few so with a little propaganda they can turn good people into marionettes. They can whip up the false patriotism based on jingoism because they pick an enemy and then demonize him or them and create a frenzy of hate and they train their soldiers to kill.

Then in the midst of the killing and destruction they are offended at war crimes pretending that if it weren't for the atrocities that war would be a noble thing. yeah, sure.