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Believing Is Art Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 04:36 PM
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Sonia Sotomayor has too many syllables
How long before this is a GOP talking point?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 04:39 PM
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1. How long before it's a DU talking point n/t
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Believing Is Art Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 04:40 PM
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2.  . . .
Touch'e.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 04:41 PM
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3. 14 letters, 6 syllables--or a 2.33 ratio. Compare with Antonin Scalia (12/6 or a flat 2.0 ratio)
Sorry, but the days of William Rehnquist (16 letters, four syllables, and a whopping 4.0 ratio) are over. A 2.3 ratio is about as solid a letter to syllable count as you're gonna git in a post-browning America.
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Believing Is Art Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 04:45 PM
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5. Hmm this is interesting
I have one of the whitest names on the planet and I also have 14 letters, 6 syllables. School House Rock was wrong, 2.33 is where it's at!
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 04:42 PM
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4. I love her name. It sings!
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 04:48 PM
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6. Her initials are S.S.



Maybe they'll cut her some slack.





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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 04:54 PM
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7. I think the more natural Republican identification with "SS" is...
.... more "titanic" in scale

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 04:56 PM
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8. Yes, when I lived in South America it seemed to be a major complaint from English
speakers. If Sonia is not seated on the Supreme Court, because the hate campaign against her worked, I hope Obama puts up the most leftist, Marxist candidate he can find and let them chew on that for awhile
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 05:00 PM
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9. Or too many vowels.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 05:02 PM
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10. Does anyone know how her name is pronounced in everyday life?
It's the first time I have seen the name. However, living around many hispanic people I've observed that many introduce themselves with a simplified or accentless pronunciation. Is her name commonly pronounced the way they have been pronouncing it on TV?
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 05:06 PM
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11. I noticed an authentic pronunciation last night on NBC News.



The journalist rolled the last 'r'. But the journalist might have had an edge. Her last name was Morales.


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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 05:18 PM
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12. People have a right to pronounce their name anyway they want- but....
.... it seems a bit odd when a newscaster who speaks accentless English ends up with "from Johnson City, this is (her name in a heavy accent)" . It would not seem odd if she did the whole story with an accent and then signed off with one. I would liken it to an appalachian reporter doing the same thing, speaking Indiana and then pronouncing his name like his grandmother in the hills might "live from Johnson City, this is Stayvin Paytersin."
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 05:27 PM
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13. Soto-ma-yore (with accent on the yore). I've heard some amazing
renditions of her surname. It's not that hard to do.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 05:45 PM
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15. It isn't difficult, but English language tradition is to round the edges
Which is not to say that it doesn't come out abominable at times. Hearing "San Pablo" as pronounced in California is like nails on a chalkboard, but "San Rahfell (Rafael)" doesn't have the same effect.
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 07:59 PM
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21. I hear ya. I grew up in California, speak Spanish, and have come to accept that
there are cultural pronunciations that simply are easier for folks: Vallejo (we used to laugh at out of towners who would say "Valley-Joe" and a host of others.
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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:09 PM
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23. The local cable news channel did a human interest
piece on her. Her brother is a physician in this area and it sounds like the reporter pronounces it Soto-my-or. But I included the link for anyone who is interested.

http://news10now.com/content/top_stories/473087/sonia-sotomayor-s-local-ties/
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 10:47 PM
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24. That's how I was pronouncing it: Soe'toemeyer
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 05:38 PM
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14. When the King said that Mozart's music had too many notes, Mozart asked...
"Which notes would you like me to remove?"
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SPedigrees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 06:07 PM
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16. I wonder if it is a hyphenated surname w/o the hyphen. nt
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 06:09 PM
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17. Typical Mexican taking syllables from Regular Americans. n/t
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Raine1967 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 06:15 PM
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18. is this close enough?
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/27/krikorian-sotomayor/

People should stop pronouncing Sotomayor’s name correctly.

Deferring to people’s own pronunciation of their names should obviously be our first inclination, but there ought to be limits. Putting the emphasis on the final syllable of Sotomayor is unnatural in English (which is why the president stopped doing it after the first time at his press conference), unlike my correspondent’s simple preference for a monophthong over a diphthong, and insisting on an unnatural pronunciation is something we shouldn’t be giving in to. <...>
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More at the link. I am still trying to understand the idea of a 'Center for Immigration Studies'


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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 06:33 PM
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19. I agree. The fewer the syllables, the greater the success in public service.
"George Bush" comes to mind...
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 06:40 PM
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20. Same number of syllables as...
"Antonin Scalia" and "Samuel Alito"--not that it would stop them. Half of 'em can't count, so it's not like they would recognize their hypocrisy.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 08:35 PM
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22. this thread has been noted at freepland. they've started a thread to determine what a 'syllable' is
Edited on Wed May-27-09 08:42 PM by KG
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 11:55 PM
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25. but it's fun to say
like Gina Lolabridgita
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 12:05 AM
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26. How dare she have the word "mayor" in her last name, when she clearly was never
a mayor of any town!

:sarcasm:
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