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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 07:40 PM Original message |
Single Payer "IS ON THE TABLE"...here's how...kinda, sorta... |
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sandyd921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
1. But don't you think the health insurance cartel |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 08:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Shumer has it covered for them - Is writing a version that "competes" |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Fuck that. |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 10:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. He is my Senator and I tried but they don't care what we want. |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Yes, I know that |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 11:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
15. Overton strategy is why. |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
3. We need to FIGHT for a proper public option. |
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PHIMG (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 10:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. We can get single payer |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 10:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I hear you |
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PHIMG (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. CIVIL RIGHTS + ACT-UP models |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Sorry to say- I'm sort of questioning your motives with this post |
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PHIMG (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 11:54 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Oh do TELL! |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
5. Unfortionately you don't eliminate the middlemen |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 01:28 AM Response to Reply #5 |
34. The plan that allows the public and private to compete |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 01:31 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. The savings of public option are real--just a lot smaller than with single payer |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 01:46 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Its not a used car |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 02:19 AM Response to Reply #39 |
49. Single payer happens to be very popular with the public |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
6. We really must continue to fight for single payer |
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PHIMG (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
7. I call Bullshit. Public Option is far from Single Payer |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. While I agree to an extent- the bottom line that our friend Panem et Circenses points out is |
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PHIMG (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 11:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Pass healthcare this year and you set back Single Payer 20 years |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 11:55 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. When you start calling the public option a scam- that sounds an awful lot like right wing agitprop |
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PHIMG (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 11:56 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. When you GIVE UP, say that GARBAGE is the "best" we can get you sound like a right winger |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. The reality is what it is... |
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PHIMG (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 12:13 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. When public option advocates stop calling Public Option Single Payer |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 12:19 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. You can holler and scream- and stamp your feet all you like |
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PHIMG (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 12:23 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Why is it THIS YEAR? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 12:32 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Join us? |
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PHIMG (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 12:41 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Ok well then in 100 or so years we'll have a decent healthcare system. |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 01:20 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. If I remember right |
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PHIMG (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 01:26 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Yes that's a nice canard from the conservadems |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 01:36 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. If it's up to "conservadems" - you won't even get a decent public option |
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PHIMG (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 01:47 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Decent public option |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 02:01 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. How do you plan to force them? |
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PHIMG (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 02:04 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Civil Rights era? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 12:54 AM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Deleted message |
PHIMG (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 01:56 AM Response to Reply #29 |
42. Calling people trolls is against the TOS of DU |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 01:16 AM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Public option will make single payer more likely in the future |
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PHIMG (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 01:58 AM Response to Reply #30 |
43. You don't think they will run the ad campaign against the Public Option? |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 02:10 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Harry and Louise won't be anything like as effective |
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PHIMG (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 02:15 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. And yet its not going to be in the Senate bill. |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 12:44 AM Response to Reply #16 |
27. I beg to differ. Public option can and likely will be a path |
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PHIMG (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 12:47 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Yes just like Medicare was a pathaway to Universal Healthcare. |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 01:26 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. You REALLY need to be more civil |
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PHIMG (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 01:40 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Advocating the public option ENABLES Baucus and the Nelson twins |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 02:46 AM Response to Reply #37 |
52. Now you're being utterly inane- that aside from having no idea what you're talking about |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
22. Very informative - nominated |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 01:42 AM Response to Original message |
38. Good negotiation requires asking for MORE than one is willing to accept. |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 02:20 AM Response to Reply #38 |
50. That's not a good negotiating strategy for this type of thing |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 02:46 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Per your response, I suggest that you read a good book on negotiation. |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 08:41 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I have read a book on negotiation |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 01:53 AM Response to Original message |
41. I have some questions that maybe you'll have some insight into as a doctor. |
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PHIMG (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 02:07 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Excellent points. |
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