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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 09:32 PM
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2003 Battle of Baghdad: we used a neutron bomb (wtf?)
Edited on Tue Apr-03-07 09:49 PM by steve2470
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The best evidence that I have from international sources, scientific sources, is that our position was becoming untenable at the Baghdad Airport and we used a neutron warhead, at least one. That is the big secret of Baghdad Airport.

If one looks into international data, there are reportings of enhanced radiation of some livestock, and of human metabolic effects - death and disease. It explains why, after the Battle of Baghdad, we got fragmentary stories of things like truckloads of dirt being moved out and moved in. It made no particular sense at the time, until one puts it into perspective, as a decontamination operation. Again, that part of the Battle of Baghdad, the fact that we went nuclear, explains a lot of things that came out afterwards and also explains why it is that it had to be covered up. You can’t go to a country to try to make sure that nobody tries to start a war with WMDs against you and WMD ’em. It’s a highly embarrassing position to be in.
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above quote by CAPTAIN ERIC MAY
Ghost Troop Commander

http://www.lonestaricon.com/absolutenm/anmviewer.asp?a=1294&z=123


Is this true ?


on edit: I stumbled upon this article in Editorials forum. Here's the url:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x272632
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 09:40 PM
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1. George H.W. Bush dismantled them, and because they use tritium...
they'd have to have been produced within that past 12 years.

Per Wiki, so take that with a grain of salt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_bomb
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 10:04 PM
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5. If you believe that, I have some Iraqi WMDs for sale
We never quit anything.

We just say that we are.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 09:51 PM
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2. Where is the evidence that our military used a neutron bomb?
....We have used DU nuclear weapons that is known, but there is no evidence that a neutron bomb was detonated over a populated area.

Here is a link to the inventor of the heutron bomb, Samuel Cohen

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Samuel T. Cohen (born 1921 in Brooklyn, New York) is a physicist who is known for inventing the W70 warhead and the "enhanced neutron weapon" or neutron bomb. In the 1990s he advocated investigation of terrorist threats like red mercury and nuclear isomers.


Background
Samuel Cohen's parents came from London but he was brought up in New York. He received his physics PhD from UCLA. In 1944 he worked on the Manhattan project in the efficiency group and calculated how neutrons behaved in the Nagasaki weapon, Fat Man. At RAND Corporation in 1950, his work on the intensity of fallout radiation first became public when his calculations were included as a special appendix in Samuel Glasstone's book The Effects of Atomic Weapons. Cohen was personally responsible for recruiting the famous strategist Herman Kahn into the RAND Corporation <1>.

During the Vietnam War, Cohen argued that using small neutron bombs would end the war quickly and save many American lives, but politicians were not amenable to his ideas and other scientists ignored the neutron bomb in reviewing the role of nuclear weapons <2>. He was a member of the Los Alamos Tactical Nuclear Weapons Panel in the early 1970s. President Carter delayed the neutron bomb in 1978 <3>, but during Reagan's presidency, Cohen claims to have convinced Reagan to make 700 neutron bombs, 350 shells to go into the 8 inch (200-millimetre) howitzer and 350 W70 warheads for the Lance missile <4>.


'Clean' nuclear tests and Cohen's revolutionary invention

In 1956, President Eisenhower announced the testing of a 95% 'clean' (2-stage) fusion weapon, later identified to have been the 11 July Navajo test at Bikini Atoll during Operation Redwing. This weapon had a 4.5 megatons yield. Previous 'dirty' weapons had fission proportions of 50-77%, due to the use of uranium-238 as a 'pusher' around the lithium deuteride (secondary) stage. (The fusion neutrons have energies of up to 14.1 MeV, well exceeding the 1.1 MeV 'fission threshold' for U-238.) The 1956 'clean' tests used a lead pusher, while in 1958 a tungsten carbide pusher was employed. Hans A. Bethe supported clean nuclear weapons in 1958 as Chairman of a Presidential science advisory group on nuclear testing <5>:

"... certain hard targets require ground bursts, such as airfield runways if it is desired to make a crater, railroad yards if severe destruction of tracks is to be accomplished... The use of clean weapons in strategic situations may be indicated in order to protect the local population." -Dr Hans Bethe, Working Group Chairman, 27 March 1958 "Top Secret - Restricted Data" Report to the NSC Ad Hoc Working Group on the Technical Feasibility of a Cessation of Nuclear Testing, p 9. <MORE>


http://www.answers.com/topic/samuel-cohen
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 09:52 PM
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3. I have no evidence, just that article that shocked me nt
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 10:07 PM
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6. To be honest, I saw that claim
and simply stopped reading the article.

I'm a moderate iconoclast, not an extreme iconoclast, thank you.
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Cobalt-60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 10:02 PM
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4. I want to call Bullsh*t, but...
We've been kept in the dark by the whore media since 2001.
While I dont believe anyone down wind would have stood for the fallout that even a netron weapon produces, it's possible we would not have been informed.
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 10:27 PM
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8. DU weapons aren't technically "nuclear"
They don't produce a nuclear chain reaction.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 02:48 PM
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11. What are "DU nuclear weapons"?...nt
Sid
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 03:02 PM
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17. My Du weapons are made Custard and Whipped Cream

Gonna tAKE YOU DOWN Soupy Sales Style....
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 10:20 PM
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7. Well, it is a scary idea and if Bush did allow the use of such an experimental
....device, no wonder he is terrified about taking American troops out of Iraq. America will be exposed for being a terrorist state and revenge will only be a matter of where and when.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 10:30 PM
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9. no
depleted uranium munitions is where the elevated readings are coming from...along with birth defects of the babies being born in iraq today, tomorrow, and into the future....
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 02:43 PM
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10. Looks like there are problems with the source
http://kateablog.blogspot.com/2005/10/eric-may-ghost-troop.html

Eric May, Ghost Troop

I came across the name above when reading an article on Progressive Independent, a good site if you enjoy news and discussion. Mr. May's name was mentioned in an article titled Soldiers Join Sheehan in Protesting the War on Iraq.

The article states : "Eric May, “Captain May,”a Houstonian who might be compared with Che Guevara in a cowboy hat, was on the scene to support Cindy and protect the protestors. A former military intelligence officer, May has for the past couple of years headed an Internet activist group called “Ghost Troop,” whose mission is fighting propaganda and misinformation issued by the Bush Administration and propagated by the corporate media. Prior experience as a high school teacher of classic languages along with his insider’s military experience make May an engaging speaker. He mesmerized listeners with his account of the April 2003 Battle of Baghdad and its cover-up, while the engineered “rescue” of Pvt. Jessica Lynch was played out on television."

The blurb above had my attention as two of my sons are MI, and one was actually there during the "Battle of Baghdad" in 2003. Initially I thought Captain May had served/fought in the April 2003 Battle of Baghdad but further reading showed that not to be the case. So I googled for more information on the Captain, not having seen anything previously from him on the internet and having spent a great deal of time surfing and reading, especially the past five years.

Using "ghost troop" as search, the first google link is May's website, with his Tae Kwon Do photo, military background, and "published essays" although it seems the publishing of Battle for Baghdad by the Houston Chronicle, was in the Outlook section, a readers opinion page. Online Chronicle does not archive Outlook so I found nothing there. Another link showed what appeared to be a May 2005 posting of snips from May's essay and responses. One gentleman disputing May's information sounded very credible.

So I googled "ghost troop of Baghdad" and the first link was from National Vanguard, the white supremist group. At the bottom of the Vanguard page was Source: Adelaide Institute. Well, that might explain why I haven't surfed across Cap'n May before as both Vanguard and Adelaide are too white for me.

So I googled "adelaide institute eric may" and the first link was a reprint of e-mail from Eric May explaining his position on the Zionist control of the media.

The second paragraph of May's e-mail :
"I re-include the press release we of Ghost Troop have issued, giving confirmed "news" that the Zionist-controlled US Media has repressed for 30 months, in complete disregard of the tenets of the Constitution and the ethics of journalism: http://www.nationalvanguard.org/printer.php?id=6479."

There's that National Vanguard again. At this point I suspect one of two possibilities: Captain May is still MI and infiltrating the peace movement, or – and more likely, he's as full of shit as a Thanksgiving turkey.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 02:49 PM
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12. Shocking that a hero of the PIglets is from Vanguard.
:sarcasm:
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 02:50 PM
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13. Good find...nt
Sid
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 02:56 PM
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15. All that Ghost Troop stuff is garbage
This guy thinks the military controls the weather and that bird flu is a Jewish plot, among other very crazy/bigoted ideas.
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 02:51 PM
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14. Remember that video with the big blast w/mushroom cloud?
Circulated around here about 6 months ago or so?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 02:58 PM
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16. If there had been a neutron bomb...
I'd think people would have noticed the giant mushroom cloud, crater, thousands dead, and radiation.

But I guess I'm talking crazy.
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