Teacher ejected for having students lie face down on floor - wingnuts go crazy, say kids deserve it.

[stevedeshazer]

http://spotlightnews.net/news/story.php?story_id=124293771864073300

Teacher ejected for having students lie face down on the floor

A substitute teacher who had never before been used by Scappoose (Oregon) Middle School was removed from class Friday for telling students to put their faces on a classroom floor as a disciplinary measure.

The teacher was removed from the class by 11:30 a.m., said Principal Pamela Reynolds — about a half hour after the problem started. Although students were rowdy in the third period science class, Reynolds said the teacher’s actions — she first told students to put their faces on their desks — were inappropriate.

“This was very unfortunate,” Reynolds said.

By the afternoon, Reynolds had sent off a letter to parents explaining what had happened. Because so many teachers were absent that day, and many of their regular substitutes couldn’t come in to teach, the district had to look to the Northwest Regional Educational Service District, which provides support to 20 school districts by providing things such as substitute teachers.

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Then, the reader comments blaming the KIDS:

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Re: Teacher ejected for having students lie face down on the floor

Most kids deserve more the number one problem growing in public schools is children who need a good butt kicking. If I acted out in school my father was waiting for me at home with a large object in his hand. Guess what I did not act out in school very much. Kids need to learn to respect teachers and adults.
"Thomas Jefferson Lives"

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Thu, May 21, 2009 at 03:56 PM
Re: Teacher ejected for having students lie face down on the floor

So, the teachers are starting their Memorial Day vacation early and leave the school understaffed. Children get rowdy and the sub can't control the class. What is one to do? ......call no one for help? This isn't looking too bad to me. None of the little jerks got hurt did they?
"Granny"

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Thu, May 21, 2009 at 06:25 PM
Re: Teacher ejected for having students lie face down on the floor

Little Rats should be grateful they are not IRISH students and subject to emotional, physical and sexual abuse.
"Peyrodog"

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Thu, May 21, 2009 at 07:17 PM
Re: Teacher ejected for having students lie face down on the floor

Starting their Memorial Day vacation early...

Wouldn't that mean that this story took place tomorrow?
"Peanut Gallery"

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Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:36 PM
Re: Teacher ejected for having students lie face down on the floor

This sub deserves a medal. Maybe if the little cretents had showed her a little respect (something I mistkenly believed the school district also expected, they wouln't have been kissing the floor. I learned a long time ago from Sister Dolores (and the metal edge of a ruler across the fingers) what it means to not show respect. Somewhere along the way the civil rights movement extended to minors, and the result is a classroom full of mush-brains wasting my tax dollars.

One question...what is so doggone bad about making a few punks lay face down on the floor? Let me guess, their self-esteem was damaged beyond repair and they will need psychiatric care for the next ten years.
"Action and Consequences"

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Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:55 PM

[orestes]

1. Not sure how i feel about this.

On the one hand, middle schoolers can be nasty little shits. On the other hand, middle schoolers can be really nasty little shits.

[vadawg]

2. yup i kinda agree with you on this one, i see kids not getting any discipline in their lifes

whether at school, at home or in the courts system.

[stevedeshazer]

5. So, do you agree with this poster?

"Most kids deserve more the number one problem growing in public schools is children who need a good butt kicking. If I acted out in school my father was waiting for me at home with a large object in his hand. Guess what I did not act out in school very much. Kids need to learn to respect teachers and adults."

I don't.

[vadawg]

6. i see the effects that having no discipline at school, at home have

and i also grew up knowing my old mans word was law, so i would be a hypocrite to disagree with what the poster says.

[Ken Burch]

15. I'm thinking Thomas Jefferson probably wouldn't have been down with it either

(A reference to the pseudonym that remark was posted under in the paper's comment section)

[ejpoeta]

22. and taking this action against the teacher tells the kids..... i don't have to respect authority.

I don't know what happened to make the teacher do that, and i don't necessarily agree with the teacher's disciplinary measures, but the removal of the teacher is telling the kids that they don't have to listen to the teacher. maybe find a reason why the teacher needs to go to the office or something and tell the teacher that the methods are unacceptable. not right in front of the kids.

[surrealAmerican]

35. ... or maybe it will teach the children not to blindly follow orders.

Respect needs to go both ways. This sub was obviously overwhelmed and reacted inappropriately.

[stevedeshazer]

3. Yes, but the posters advocate beating the kids

That's not gonna help.

[orestes]

7. No, it won't

I was mostly speaking in reference to the Teacher dealing with the bratlings, not to the nut bar replies.

[MichaelHarris]

9. I think a little

ass whupping never hurt anyone. Got mine whipped in school and at home when I did bad. I'm a model citizen at 51. Is a beating the same as a spanking?

[Drunken Irishman]

10. Well now you're going to hear it. Get ready...

I was spanked as a kid. It didn't hurt me.

Now I hate slapping. I think parents who slap should, well, be slapped.

I actually got my mom to admit slapping was wrong and she apologized for it later.

[ejpoeta]

23. i've asked people if they would hit me if i misbehaved or said something they didn't like.

trying to show that they do it to their kids because the kids can't fight back. i won't say i have never spanked my kid.... having been disciplined in that way so that being the only way i was taught.... it is difficult to find a different way. but i found that spanking my kid only told her it was an acceptable way to deal with things and she started hitting. and it doesn't stop behavior. the fear of losing privileges like tv or video games seems to be more effective.

[Chulanowa]

12. I got my share of paddlings as well

And while i can say they didn't emotionally scar me or anything, I can also say they weren't much of a deterrent. It really seemed more like an outlet for a frustrated (and probably underpaid) teacher to whack away on a kid's ass, than any actual sort of disciplinary measure.

Want to Discipline kids? Hit them in their grades. I was always more worried about what might bruise my record than what might bruise my ass.

[Drunken Irishman]

13. Throw 'em against the wall. That'll teach 'em!

:P

[MichaelHarris]

49. nawww

a pancake spatula would work great, it has holes so it cuts through the air faster and leaves the coolest marks.

[Ken Burch]

72. And what good's a cat o' nine tails if you never use it?

:sarcasm:

[quickesst]

19. "Is a beating the same as a spanking?"

No, but spanking has been redefined by the left to equate it with the horror of "beating". I've always contended that if spanking as discipline was as bad as many on the left believe it is, we would not be here discussing it in terms of good or bad. We wouldn't be able to function very well at all because of the "trauma" we expreienced at the hands of our parents. I deserved most of the spankings I got and do not harbor any resentment toward my parents for that discipline. If my mother had been reported, arrested, and charged with what some in their unreal world of delusion see as assault and battery, I would have screamed and fought this injustice with all my being. Nowadays most kids who have faced this situation see it as justice for an injustice, and see their parents as weak, and easily manipulated. This is not speculation as I have personally witnessed the process myself which pretty much negates any charge that I don't know what I'm talking about. It's as simple as understanding human nature. If one has a tendency to be unruly, cruel, or a troublesome brat, and they know the consequences will be of no consequence at all, expect them to repeat the offense over and over. Of course in some instances their will be the defense that this is not the case "in my case", but that igores the overall issue, and does not represent the situation as it applies to the masses. If corporal punishment was as bad as many claim, my son would probably have been unfit to graduate college, earn a master's degree, rise to the rank of major in the USAF, and father two of the greatest grandkids ever, but he did, and it was not because he was "beaten". It was because he was disciplined in manner that would make him think twice about repeating offenses that are unacceptable in society. The left-left, in their attempt to push the nation to the extreme of their beliefs, have in effect, become their own worst enemies, this issue being just one example. They are as steadfast in their beliefs as any right-winger is about theirs, and anger, ridicule, and righteous indignation are the tools they also have chosen to defend their positions. The right side of the political, and social spectrum is flawed almost beyond repair, but the left side is not without their own shortcomings. They have as much difficulty recognizing it as the other side does, and won't make the progress they hope for as fast as they would like until they recognize it. Thanks.
quickesst

[Ken Burch]

71. Was your dad named Bing Crosby, by any chance?

n/t.

[mitchum]

25. When I am emperor, there will be no middle school

Due to developmental changes, it is almost impossible for them to pay attention in a classroom. For those three years, I would put them to work in a national service program in order to constructively use all of that energy. After those three years, their formal education would resume.
I will probably never get to be emperor.

[immoderate]

38. Wow! I have been proposing that for years.

As a long time middle school teacher, I have always seen making kids with that level of energy and curiosity spend their days sitting in a classroom as anti-developmental. When people would ask me about a solution, I would say, "Work camps."

I'm glad to see that that idea has occurred to some others. You can be emperor of my country.

BTW, if those kids wouldn't listen to him in the first place, I wonder how he got them to lie down on the floor. :shrug:

--imm

[mitchum]

44. We can be co-emperors!

[Ken Burch]

74. I'd say "creativity camps" and "art camps"

It doesn't have to be a punitive, Stalag/Gulag-type environment. It should be more about teaching the kids to use the energy in positive, useful ways. Not just making them obey for the sake of obeying.

[immoderate]

76. when I went to scout camp...

We built our own campsites in the forest. We cleared campsites, did forestry and water conservation projects, and built pioneer bridges. Nothing like what you are inferring. We loved it. Not every kid would choose that though. Art and community projects could be added. Swimming, hiking, map making, crafts, nature trails, etc. That's what I meant.

--imm

[donco6]

65. Our test scores showed MS students would have done better

staying home.

So we got rid of them all. Now we only have K-8s or K-12s.

It's just too much drama in one place.

[Ken Burch]

73. That's not a bad idea.

You'd still need to do incredibly close supervision to keep the kids with bullying tendencies from scarring the others for life emotionally(and in some cases physically).

To really make it work, you'd have to stand up to all the parents who teach their kids(or beat them into becoming) hyper-aggressive because "life is a battle". That mindset needs to be broken if the cycle of bullying is ever to stop.

[Bandit]

27. Isn't punishment for the Principle to decide?

What would be wrong with sending those kids to the Principle's Office. I am certain those children's mothers work hard to keep their children in clean clothes and as healthy as possible. How dare that teacher abuse the mothers in this manner. And with all the cuts in education this is only the beginning of the horrors we will hear about.

[Ken Burch]

75. Er...and I'm only saying this because we're talking about education and spelling should count

It's "Principal"

(Remember "The Principal Is Your Pal"?-which is actually a creepy thought given what some educators get up to with kids these days, but still...)

Other than that, you're right.

[depakid]

4. Newspaper comment sections in America are just foul

which I think says a lot of about the people in this country- and why the nation is in the sorry shape that it's in.

[Swede]

30. Yes they are,so are youtube comments.

The anonymity of the internet gives the jerks of the world freedom to be bigger jerks.

[Drunken Irishman]

8. I don't see the problem. No one was hurt, right?

No different than time out.

And course I mean having them lie on the ground, not the comments posted under the article.

[madmom]

43. These kids probably lay on the floor at home all the time. I really..

don't see what the big deal is. So they get there faces a little dirty, is that the worse thing that ever happens to them? Where their faces shoved into the floor, like some bullies are apt to do? Seriously I don't get it?:shrug:

[renate]

11. OMG they had to lie down on the floor?

:eyes:

Unorthodox and probably completely ineffective--but if everyone had to do it, nobody was singled out for public embarrassment, and lying down on the floor isn't exactly terrible.

Substitute teachers are very brave people, IMHO. Teaching is hard enough even with the authority of being a permanent instructor or having control of grades.

[ejpoeta]

24. but it's dirty and has germs!! sorry, couldn't help myself.

[sandnsea]

14. Yikes, if you can't control the class

you aren't a teacher. The End.

[donco6]

20. Wait a minute.

This was a sub. Kids are notorious in their treatment of subs. So that blanket statment is really unfair.

[sandnsea]

28. Scappoosse is town of 6,000

*I* could control a classroom of middle schoolers without forcing them to lay on the ground.

[Catshrink]

31. ...

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Oh, BTW. What does the population of town have to do with the behavior of kids in a classroom? Those are unrelated.

[sandnsea]

33. It's not like they all had guns and knives

and were from opposing gangs ready to slaughter each other in the classroom.

One of my daughter's teachers brought the kids candy bars if they behaved for the substitute. Oooh, how long did it take her to think of that solution. 2 minutes?

Your laughter shows your stupidity. I am so sick of teachers who think they're the only ones who have ever worked with kids.

[Catshrink]

41. Stupidity? I don't think so.

You certainly could have used a different word. Coaching a boxing team is not the same as being in the classroom and responsible for the educational achievement of a group of students. I am so sick of people who have never taught thinking they are experts at classroom management and teaching. Once the responsibilities of the job hit, it's a whole different world. Those who haven't done the job don't get it and won't unless they try it.

[donco6]

63. Laughable, isn't it?

To not even understand the difference between coaching a boxing team and teaching school. And then to have the gall to call you and I "stupid."

[Catshrink]

68. It sure it.

I don't know why I bother arguing with the teacher-bashers. Is it worth the aggrevation? Like said in that post, I'm so tired of people who think they know all about education because they've been through school. They don't know the other side of it and won't unless they try to do the job.

I've been to a doctor too but certainly wouldn't suggest that I know all about medicine and could do the job better than a trained and experienced physician. I've watched a lot of Law & Order but certainly wouldn't suggest I could argue a case before a judge. It amounts to the same kind of arrogance.

[donco6]

69. I really pick and choose the threads.

It's not like is a rare occurrence, so I can be selective.

There are so many misconceptions about schools, it's hard to know where to start. One thing that's always funny is how they believe there are administrators around every corner. "Why didn't they just call the principal?" Uh, because she was dealing with the OTHER 400 kids in school! And the assumption that things today are just like they were when they were in school - 40 years ago. "What? They have kids in wheelchairs in the classroom? There should be somewhere else for them to go." Christ on a cracker.

[donco6]

32. Alrighty then. Never mind. eom

[sandnsea]

34. I had to control a boys boxing team

You ever had to get ten boys to stop having a farting contest on a bus?

[donco6]

47. Ten? Gee. I dunno.

How about 30 or so?

[sandnsea]

51. Not in a classroom in Scappoose

That was my point. We aren't talking about a crowded school filled with gang members. We're talking about a mixed class with 25 kids or less, half of which would be boys. If you can't keep that kind of classroom down to a dull roar, you don't need to be teaching.

[donco6]

55. Yes, because as everyone knows . . .

white kids don't cause trouble.

[sandnsea]

58. How do you know they're white?

Maybe they're Native American, Mexican immigrants who can't speak English, we have a lot of Chinese immigrants who can't speak English in my town. You're the one who jumped to a bigoted conclusion.

There are some pretty tough Native American gangs in Montana too you know. I worked with them too.

There's never an excuse to treat school children like criminals.

[donco6]

59. Hey, you looked up the population; I looked up the demographics.

[sandnsea]

60. And then dumped your racist shit on me n/t

[donco6]

61. I'm simply a font of information.

You were the one making racist shit.

[Quantess]

16. It sounds like the students were misbehaving for the "sub"

The students were unruly, and the sub lost control of the classroom. She had a desperate idea to regain control by telling them to put their faces to the floor.

I don't see how this is a big deal, either way.

[Are_grits_groceries]

17. Substitute teaching is the worst.

I always told the kids I taught that if the sub left me their name they would have a problem. I told them I considered that worse than doing something wrong if I was there. I didn't get many names.

[Catshrink]

29. I tell my kids that if they act out for a sub they get a double consequence

when I return. Instead of one detention, they get two, etc. I've never had a problem either. Teachers who don't have this approach end up with situations like those in the OP. There are some subs for our district who won't sub for certain teachers because their classes are so bad. My kids might drive me nuts at times, but they always behave for the subs.

[Maine-ah]

37. if we got sent to the office by a sub, it was automatic ISS

in elementary school, if we were being bad we had to put our head down on our desk.

[RandomThoughts]

18. You can see how some people that take in the ideas

being promoted by their choice of leaders, ideas of forms of discipline, are having those ideas come out in their comments about every day situations.

"None of them got hurt", "at least it isn't sexual abuse", "Maybe if they had shown a little respect"

You can see it spreading in some groups.

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. Stupid but I don't see how it is harmful

How is this an effective discipline technique? Besides, if she can make them lie down on the floor, she should be able to make them sit in their desks and pay attention.

[mikehiggins]

26. I have been a middle school "sub" and now I teach adults in a tech school

As to this particular situation, as weird as her technique seems, if she claimed she was just requiring the kids to do pushups she would have gotten the same result without the angst. Hey, these are kids. If you are a teacher you should be able to outwit them no matter how clever they think they are (and most middle school kids think they are very clever indeed). On the other hand, these are kids. YOu have to expect them to "act out" when given the shot and make some reasonable allowances for that.

As to the spanking/beating thing, I was what some would consider a traditional parent until one day, when my son was five, I realized that "spanking" him was little more than a 250 lb. construction worker beating a little boy because of my own anger and frustration. I was reacting just like my own dad had, and with just as much impact (no pun) on the behaviour in question. My kid was incorrigible, just like I had been.

That paired insight put an end to that, you betcha! Strangly enough, twenty five years later our relationship is as strong and solid as anyones could be. Go figure...

Oh, and Jefferson owned slaves so I don't think he would have had any problems with beating/spanking his kids. Just saying.

[JitterbugPerfume]

36. maybe a bit off subject--maybe not

Children are brought up to be narcicisstic (sp) little self centered monsters. They are all Indigo and special (unlike your ordinary human child)so they think they are entitled to act out any time they want to because they are unique and every utterance out of them is wonderful.

Respect a teacher , especially a sub? They were never taught to respect anyone.


Well , I guess I just stepped in it

[cwydro]

46. You've got a point there.

Too true.

[konnichi wa]

39. Well, ever since the powers that be decided to let the kids run the schools,

prevent teachers from administering any discipline, we have been turning out illiterate morons. People wonder why the U.S. is near the bottom in academic achievement...it is not rocket science. Encouraging misbehavior is one of the causes, attempting to force equality in every sense by dumbing everything down to the least common denominator is the other. That's not a 'conservative' or 'Republican' viewpoint, it's a realistic one.
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[cherish44]

40. I was a substitute teacher

And I'm on the teacher's side on this. Kids are rotten little shits when they have a sub. I always took a video camera or a tape recorder and told the class I'd be taping what went on and leave copies for the regular teacher and the principal. That usually worked. It kept the kids in line and protected me (yeah sometimes kids lie about what goes on when a sub is in for the day)

[zoff]

56. They can be little shits.

I worked as a sub one year. The principal approached me at the lunch room and told me a kid said I was looking at, lets just say "inappropriate things on my laptop." We walked back to the room and I promptly showed him my belongings, and he was surprised that while I brought in a laptop bag, it contained only papers. I was informed that the kid's parents were called in and I sure hope he/she got his/her comeuppance. From that day on, whenever I called the office, the response was rapid and the administrators gave me all the support I needed. The principal and another future administrator wrote me recommendations as well.

[LWolf]

42. I don't advocate physical punishment.

But I do advocate for discipline when required.

Schools don't have many options when it comes to discipline. That's why students who want to get away with the disruption they do.

Make a list of all the ways you feel it is appropriate to handle students whose agenda is to be disruptive and to stop any opportunity for learning to occur. If you come up with anything possible, and possibly effective, I can always use more ideas for MY middle school classroom.

Here's an interesting point:

Debate is offered as an elective at our school. For 4 years running, one of the topics that students always debate deals with classroom and school discipline. The conclusion that the MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS reach is always the same: that there IS no effective discipline, that what exists is weak and ineffective, and that they can pretty much get away with what they want. That classes that are generally better behaved than others are not because of any discipline or management skills on the part of the teacher, but on whether that teacher is "popular," not because of teaching style, but because of how much they allow students to get away with, and how much they DON'T require in the way of thinking and learning.

Behavior management in middle school is not a "wing-nut" vs "democratic" issue. The reality is that it is a problem regardless of the politics of the people involved. It stems from a dysfunctional system; from a structure that encourages problem behaviors.

[Contrary1]

45. Water board the little farts...

We all know that this is an appropriate means to elicit a positive response.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

48. At the risk of sounding cynical

After teaching middle school for 20 years, I came to the conclusion that most classes in the public schools where I taught were pretty much warehousing kids. Why?

Teachers are afraid of administrators.
Administrators are afraid of board of education.
Boards of education are afraid of parents.
Parents are afraid of their children.

[Odin2005]

50. And everyone is afraid of lawyers.

[bertman]

52. Unfortunately, we're reaping what we have sown. There was discipline in public schools

up until the mid- to late sixties. Then when we integrated the public schools we had a tsunami of accusations by parents that teachers were singling out students for discipline based on race. It went both ways--sometimes white teachers were coming down on black students, sometimes the other way around. Some of it was legitimate and I'm sure that some of it was bogus. But what happened was the accusations became lawsuits. The accusations became state and federal civil-rights complaints.

The administrators and teachers were caught in the middle. They couldn't keep order in the classroom without being accused of violating a student's civil rights. So pretty soon they just went laissez-faire. Basically, they just did the best they could while trying to keep from having a public outcry by angry parents. The best they could do became tolerate behavior that was disruptive because the kids quickly figured out that they could run home and tell Mommy and Daddy that the teacher was singling her/him out because of his/her race. So, stuff that my generation, taught in public schools in the 50's and 60's, never had to deal with in a classroom became commonplace.

Over the years, the teachers and administrators have had to try to teach kids in an environment that is far from optimal. I admire them for their commitment to helping our children learn. But I wish we didn't have to give the students candy bars when they are good or have principals who spend the weekend camped out on top of the school building when students perform well on tests, or who shave their heads when students do something they should do because they are motivated to learn.

Okay, I'm going to go put on my kevlar vest.

[sandnsea]

57. Yeah you really should

What a horrific post. This thread is no better than the one at Free Republic.

[bertman]

62. Yep, I agree that it's a shitty thread that deals with teachers putting kids face down on

the floor, and I certainly don't agree with that "approach" to discipline.

Having known numerous public school teachers and teacher's aides, I think my historical observations are accurate. However, I've found over the years that it's not the kind of thing that people who consider themselves to be liberal want to admit or even discuss. Probably because it represents one of the not-so-wonderful aspects of our ongoing attempt to ensure equality for all Americans. One of those two steps forward, one step back kind of things.

[Ken Burch]

70. So if this school was all-white, this wouldn't have happened?

I'm amazed this didn't get you tombstoned.

[donco6]

66. You're not advocating segregation . . . are you?

Just wondering . . .

[BlooInBloo]

67. Wow - you're fucking shitty.

[LibertyLover]

53. Ohhh, new freeperism!

Cretents. Is that one of those new tents for camping when you are a Creationist?

[MissB]

54. This brings to mind the time I sat on a search committee for a new

principal.

I was amazed at the discussions we had with candidates regarding discipline. Our district seems to go for age appropriate punishment, which often includes a good heart-to-heart with the principal. So many of the candidates were into strong discipline, much of which seemed overly strong armed.

I vehemently rejected a candidate that told our committee that she'd yanked the boys bathrooms and put porta-potties outside after a kid or two had defaced the bathroom wall.

There are appropriate ways to discipline kids and having them put their faces on the floor isn't one of them. Punishment isn't supposed to be humiliating.

[mia]

64. "School days, school days, dear old golden rule days."

"Reading and writing and 'rithmetic.
Taught to the tune of a hickory stick."


http://massachusettsobserver.blogspot.com/2008/02/taught-to-tune-of-hickory-stick.html

I don't believe in corporal punishment, but as a teacher, I establish strict rules from day one.
The first rule is how to enter my classroom.

Substitutes in middle school don't have a hope of maintaining discipline. Some kids are on a mission to be disruptive.