Not New (Warning: picture heavy and graphic)

[Solly Mack]

From the Telegraph

On May 15, 2009, the title of the article read: New 'prisoner abuse' photographs emerge despite US bid to block publication

The title of the article has since been changed. Below is the sub-heading.

"Graphic photographs of alleged prisoner abuse, thought to be among up to 2,000 images Barack Obama is trying to prevent from being released, have been unearthed."





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From the Salon Abu Ghraib Files from 2006

"In 2006, Salon published the most extensive archive of photos and videos capturing detainee abuse at the U.S. Army's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, some of it carried out by CIA agents. It's worth noting that when we did so, the Pentagon claimed we were damaging national security by publishing such inflammatory images -- the same argument former Bush administration officials are making about Obama's decision to release the memos this week. Shortly after we published "The Abu Ghraib Files," the Pentagon released much of the same material to the ACLU."




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Why is this important?

Because if people forget which pictures have been released then the old same pictures can continually be recycled as new and the actual, as of yet, unreleased photos can stay hidden away. It's not like the Bush hold-overs in the Pentagon wouldn't try to release the same pictures over and over again and call them new. That's why it is important to remember.

As anyone who has been following the Abu Ghraib release knows, not all of the pictures from Abu Ghraib have been released - but these aren't those photos.

They *might* be repeated in the larger set of photos, 2000 or so, that Obama said would be released in addition to the photos that were supposed to be released to the ACLU by May 28, 2009.

[glowing]

1. Yep, I hate to say it, but if those are the "new" photos, they look like the old photos.

The problem I have is why the photographing with thumbs up move? I don't get this action. Was anything ever disclosed by the participants as to why all the smiling and thumbs up poses. These photos were mostly staged for somebody. Its as if the American soldiers are happy about the home run they just witnessed while in the stadium at the ball park. Why even be in the photos?

[Solly Mack]

3. I believe one of the people charged said they were joking around

(doing the thumbs up)

And I have also heard that they were told to do it - as part of the "softening up" process.

I suspect the pictures were shown to other detainees (to frighten and humiliate them) long before we ever saw them.

[lunatica]

11. Criminals against humans like mementos

It gives them an opportunity to revisit the 'fun' they had, or the hard-on it gave them. People who inflict sexual torture get a sexual charge out of doing so.

[The Hope Mobile]

2. Not new but still just as sick

Horrifying that people are smiling and giving thumbs up. Everybody's walking around like its normal and OK. WTF??

[Solly Mack]

4. Incredibly sickening

[Luv nut]

9. Prison guards

Most of those troops in the pics are law enforcement and/or prison guards at home (they were mainly National Guard/Reserve)

That has to make you think......

[Solly Mack]

5. kick

[pleah]

6. I don't know how anyone could forget those images.

:(

K&R

[Solly Mack]

7. To be fair, some people might not have seen them when they first came out

but there does seem to be some forgetting & I find that alarming.

But like you, I don't know how anyone could forget them.

[Solly Mack]

8. kick

Because facts matter

[merh]

10. There are those that continue to refer to these as new

to try to show that they are not any different from the photos originally released. You know the "its just hazing" "they do worse at frat parties" crowd.

Anyone who does this shit a a frat party can be charged with crimes, like sexual assault and the crime of hazing and assault.

The sick fuckers who downplay the abuse depicted in these photos will never admit that crimes were committed in their names. They don't believe that you can abuse non-americans, they are just filthy low lifes.

[Solly Mack]

12. There is an attempt going to downplay the content of

the unreleased photos. The fact that the unreleased photos cover different detention facilities shows how systemic the abuse & torture was...and I think that is part of the reason for the downplay.

[merh]

16. I agree

There is also the attempt by those who denied torture, by those who supported GWB despite the release of the original photos, who participated in the crimes, who followed orders and abused others, to minimize the actions, to downplay the crimes. Some folks are trying very hard to live with themselves after having supported GWB or after having followed orders.

[EFerrari]

20. I've yet to hear anyone in the media describe the unreleased photos

as you do. They're just "photographs of abuse". The point doesn't get made.

[Solly Mack]

23. I've seen it in a few articles...early on in the discussion

then it sorta just gets lost...though I think there are some from May that also say it

Here's one from April, the WSJ

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124061652423055003.html

"Defense Department officials will release photographs depicting alleged prisoner abuses at U.S. facilities in Iraq and Afghanistan, amid a political firestorm over controversial interrogation methods."

Also from April, Yahoo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090424/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_pentagon_abuse_photos

Again, from April - CNN

But the officials rejected ACLU allegations that photos show a systemic pattern of abuse by the military.

The ACLU position was outlined by Amrit Singh, an ACLU attorney, who said, "These photographs provide visual proof that prisoner abuse by U.S. personnel was not aberrational but widespread, reaching far beyond the walls of Abu Ghraib."

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/24/prisoners.photos/index.html?section=cnn_latest

And the one article (links that says "photos") in the OP also states the 44 photos are coming from both Iraq and Afghanistan...so, different facilities

[Texasgal]

13. Very telling

that there are only 12 replies to this thread.

Very telling indeed.

[Karenina]

14. Jeremy Scahill reports that TORTURE CONTINUES...

[Solly Mack]

17. I read about that

:(

[HughBeaumont]

15. "America, America, God Shed it's Grace on Thee, and Crown thy good with Brotherhood".

. . . From Sea to Shining Sea!"



Start sending DOC busses to the homes of former Bewsh Administration members and those who presided over the wholesale rape of their rights and our tax dollars that funded this abuse. ALL of them. Indict and imprison NOW.

If we don't, then that song, or the supposed "morals and values" that this land and your fucking party is supposed to adhere to and abide by doesn't mean a goddamned thing in my book.

[Cass]

18. I thought it was a violation of the Geneva Conventions to photograph a

prisoner like this. So isn't the fact that they were photographed a violation as well? Am I misunderstanding this?

[EFerrari]

19. It is a violation of Geneva. n/t

[Cass]

21. Thanks, that's what I thought.

[spanone]

22. 'just a few bad apples'

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