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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 09:50 AM
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Calling BS on a media lie. They are saying never go after CIA, Pelosi was right,and that was proven
I am hearing everyone say "Never pick a fight with the CIA"

That is BS. If someone in the CIA is lying, and you call them on it, that is the duty of a citizen. Lets have another Church committee, and make it times 10, if they want to say that crap.

The bought or scared people saying never fight with the CIA, are a joke, and do not represent any principles of honesty or integrity.

If someone lies especially in areas of importance, you call them on it.

The CIA, under Bush and Cheney. Did fulfill the obligations as requested by Bush/Cheney. But not obligations under the Constitution in regards to informing Congress, for means of oversight.

And the method of Congressional oversight needs to be looked at, if people call that going against an intelligence agency, that is spin to elevate that agency. It is protecting checks and balances.

Claims that they briefed congress were not honest. That is true.

Anyone that elevates the CIA to untouchable, better also claim they are always right. Something we know is not true for any organization.

"Never go against the CIA?" That is something you expect to see about KGB years ago in USSR. Or any other authoritative state.

And I would bet, most CIA people know that is offensive, and paints them in a bad light. It makes them look like thugs or propagandist. People in the CIA would want people to go after people if they were doing wrong in their own agency.

I call BS on those in the media saying that the CIA is untouchable!

Pelosi was right, it was proven, it should be reported, then move on to what ever is needed to fix the problem.


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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 09:51 AM
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1. ask JFK how that worked out for him
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 09:57 AM
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4. Your response is to use fear.
Edited on Sat May-16-09 10:14 AM by RandomThoughts
You think intimidation gives people the right to decide what is and what isn't

You advocate for a society that says anyone that is willing to kill another rules the society.

You advocate for the law of violence

You advocate for submission by fear.

Let me ask you, how did it work out for the brave soldiers that died in WW2 defeating the Nazis They died also. Do you say they were wrong. Do you say anyone that stands for right, and might die in the process should have sat down and coward.

Is that your world, thugs killing and threatening while people cringe in fear?

It is not my world, one I would not choose. And neither would the real heroes that make change by standing for what is right, knowing standing is more important then fear.

And guess what, I would bet many of those people that stand for what is right are also people in the CIA. And they would not want a society of thuggery either!
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 10:16 AM
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9. no, not fear
reality

if not the CIA, then someone else, someone worse

the CIA is not the worst agency in government, by far
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 09:56 AM
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2. Ask lots of journalists (at leaster older ones) what it is like to be
under surveillance 24/7 day in and day out?

I think what they are saying---Be sure you have irrefutable
facts on your side and lots of important people to back you
up.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 10:00 AM
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5. Anyone can be smeared.
That is true, so if fear of smear is a motivator for a person, then they accept the label I used, they live in fear for there own gain, not in honor or integrity.

I typed the OP, because of what a commentator just said on MSNBC, he directly said "never go after CIA", like they are a big bad bully. Or somehow untouchable. Ridiculous.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 09:56 AM
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3. Who elected the CIA
Where the fugg is democracy in this? Who the fugg is accountable to the people?
Phillip Agee must be RIGL (rolling in the grave laughing).
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 10:01 AM
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6. the CIA destroyed a lot of interrogation tapes
has the media brought this up as part of the CIA discussion?
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 10:05 AM
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7. However, I do understand Pelosi is letting the fight go away
Because there are better battles to fight.

But it is not because the CIA are untouchable, it is because they are being let off the hook for awhile to accomplish other things, and because the accusation of lies belongs more to Bush Cheney, not the entirety of the CIA.

The reporting of the CIA as untouchable is my gripe, not Pelosi's actions of moving on, after proving there needs to be reform for checks and balances.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 10:15 AM
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8. Often, MSM and CIA are two ways of spelling the same word.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 10:16 AM
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10. point
yep!
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 01:05 PM
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11. They Call it the "Mighty Wurlitzer"

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