Police: Teen Had Sex With Girl's Body

[cali]

Alexander Pacheco Bragged To Friend About Corpse

POSTED: 12:29 pm MDT May 13, 2009


BOULDER, Colo. -- The 18-year-old Broomfield man accused in the slaying of a 13-year-old girl admitted to several friends that he killed her, according to evidence laid out in a preliminary hearing Wednesday in Boulder.

Alexander Paul Pacheco is charged with first-degree murder in the October 2008 slaying of Kelsey Shannon. Her badly decomposed remains were found in a Broomfield drainage ditch last January.

An autopsy determined that Kelsey died as a result of "homicidal violence."

According to testimony in Pacheco's preliminary hearing, he told a friend he strangled Shannon "until her eyes rolled back in her head." He then stabbed her in the throat multiple times to make sure she was dead.

Also revealed in court Wednesday: Pacheco admitted to a friend that he had sex with the corpse afterward until the body turned cold. He faces an additional charge of abuse of a corpse, based on that admission.

A friend of Pacheco told police that Pacheco took him to the area where he had dumped the body and said he wanted to retrieve a condom that he used after killing Kelsey. The friend told police that Pacheco also showed a lock of hair he kept in a tissue that he said belonged to Kelsey.

Pacheco visited the body several times in a watery marsh, according to police. Pacheco may have tried moving it with a sled to better hide it and also debated putting in a barrel filled with soda and bleach in the hopes it would eat away at the body. He said he could smash the teeth and spread them over Colorado so police couldn't identify the remains through dental records

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http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/19451651/detail.html

Another time to throw away the key.

[stewartcolbert08]

1. WTF

What is wrong with these people? I wonder what other shit he pulled where he didnt get caught that led up to this. :puke:

[tomreedtoon]

2. I'm a lonely and miserable person, BUT...

...one of the reasons I'm lonely is that I have my limits. One of them is that a woman I want to know must have a pulse and be conscious. That eliminates nearly all women for me.

I guess it's some degree of satisfaction that there are men more desperate and less discriminating than I.

[cali]

3. say what? Are you suggesting that almost all women

are not conscious? Way to make this story all about you.

[northernlights]

6. no, he's suggesting that he's lonely

because he wouldn't knock a woman unconscious, let alone kill her, in order to have sex with her.

He's also recently unemployed, so probably a wee bit depressed and very lonely with no job to go to and economy so very bleak.
So you could just try to read for comprehension and cut him a break.

[cali]

10. thanks for filling me in on the poster. too bad YOU

don't follow your own advice about cutting people a break, dear. His post was very ambiguous and hardly had the background you filled in. And I'm not the only person who was puzzled by his odd remark. Take your own advice before sanctimoniously lecturing others. And my comment was not particularly harsh or unpleasant.

[northernlights]

13. um, what about this?

"Way to make this story all about you."

That's harsh, in my book. If you can't take the "harsh" or "sanctimonious," then don't dish it out. Instead, you could try just asking someone to clarify their statement first.

[tomreedtoon]

7. No, almost all women hate and despise me.

That's the "conscious" part. I could go for a corpse if I had no standards, but that's about the only relationship with a woman I could have.

And yes, it is all about me. Because I don't know how anyone else does this relationship stuff, nobody will freaking tell me, and movies and TV shows don't explain it. I didn't get that instruction manual at birth, like the rest of you.

The exception: my mother loved me, but she's dead.

Well, this murderer, as I said, found a way to beat the system. But even I couldn't follow him. I'd rather be miserable and lonely than be a ghoul. How about you guys?

[Frank Cannon]

14. Even Hitler had a girlfriend, dude

There's someone for everyone. That you wouldn't hump a dead person is a sign that you have at least one redeeming quality.

And the secret for getting a girlfriend? STOP worrying about it so much. I went through college lonely and depressed, thinking no woman would want me. And none did. As soon as I got out of school, I said to hell with it all. I was tired of being miserable. I just focused on my job and working out and hobbies. Suddenly, I was like Hugh Hefner.

And just let me warn you: relationships sometimes aren't as wonderful as advertised.

[Retired AF Dem]

17. one sick

puppy.

[tomreedtoon]

19. One HONEST puppy. I don't lie to myself.

And if more people stopped lying to themselves here, they might lead better lives. At least I'm not a macho jerk who abuses women. Women don't let me get that close. They DO welcome the handsome, strong, rich guys who beat the crap out of them.

[sixmile]

35. I think your relationship issues should be sorted out in another thread

Possibly:

Ladies of DU what should regular guys do to meet and attract women?

I've seen some of the butt-ugliest, fattest, grossest guys with women so I know everyone can find someone.

My free advice (for what it's worth): first, you must believe that regardless of what your flaws may be, you're worthy of someone's attention and desire. Second, accept that there is someone for everyone on this planet. Third, don't get down on your self, your looks or your social skills because those can all be improved. Fourth, be a man and get outside more.

As far as the story in your post, it is horrifying but not surprising. I'm not sure which is worse.

[bettyellen]

24. um, i thought you hated stupid?

[tomreedtoon]

26. I hate stupid, but the public LOVES stupid.

How else do you explain the continued careers of Dick Cheney and Jim Carrey?

[JI7]

4. ?

[LARED]

5. Thank goodness you have some limits

I just hope you are not communicating well, rather than the implication that you are lonely because you limit your sexual activity to breathing women. :scared:

[tomreedtoon]

23. No, that's precisely what I mean.

Everyone wants to be loved, but some people are simply unloveable. Evil unloveable people try to force love, like the degenerate who killed a woman to have sex with her corpse. Good unloveable people, like me, recognize that we're unloveable and move on with our lives, trying to do things without worrying about our catastrophic failure as human beings.

[northernlights]

8. murder and sex with a corpse

isn't about loneliness or even sex.

It's about power. The sadistic murderer feels powerless. He gains power by finding someone weaker, murdering them and fucking (pissing in) their remains.

I considering locking someone like this up for life to be cruel and inhumane punishment. He's past rehabilitation, I can't get into revenge, yet he remains a danger to society. Personally, I'm for euthanasia.

[malaise]

11. Throw away the key

Sick fuck.

[tomreedtoon]

21. Yes, someone this sick is incureable.

You either lock them up in a room until they die, or you outright kill them. You can give them enough drugs to make them feel better, but you'll never cure their lust for dominance and power.

I always liked the idea, most espoused in Babylon 5, of "the death of personality." The idea is that drugs and electronic reprogramming destroys the personality of a hardcore defective like this murderer. He retains the learning and data, just not the personality that determines them. He lives out the rest of his life doing public service work.

[zazen]

16. does your county offer free counseling? sounds like you could use professional support right now

From what the other poster was saying, you're going through a lot right now, so blanket statements that you can't have relationships with any women and somehow can't even comprehend how to have one seem real to you instead of registering with you as clearly the statement of a severely depressed individual. And when you're severely depressed, BTW, one of the many consequences is you'll drive away most potential partners, except rescuers (maybe those are the persons whom your limits are thankfully keeping you from dating), and ending up with one of those will just reinforce the cycle, since they by definition don't want you to get better. If you're unemployed, you probably don't have health insurance or cash for a good therapist, but sometimes counties provide social services like free or severely discounted counseling. There might also be a support group (and of course, there are online groups for depressed folks, but that can only go so far.)

The guy who did this crime was a f-ing monster and sociopath who has no capability of self-reflection. You're not different from him by degrees of selectivity about women--you're like a different species, as is evidenced by your obvious self-reflection. But, severe depression, isolation, and feelings of profound rejection _can_ lead one to some behaviors that are harmful to yourself and/or others, and so I implore you to please get some face-to-face support in addition to your virtual community here on DU.

Today is a new day, here on the East Coast. A breezy, overcast morning bristling with chirpy wildlife. Hope it can be a new day for you too, wherever you are. That opportunity was taken from that poor 13-year-old. Maybe you can dedicate just this day--make no commitments past it-- to getting better in her honor.




:hug:

[tomreedtoon]

20. You really believe psychiatrists can do anything?

You're more gullible than I first thought. Shrinks can do nothing about a broken limb, even though psychiatrists are supposed to have full M.D.'s before they practice. And they can't fix a defective soul. All they can do is prescribe enough drugs to make that defective soul not care that he's defective. All they can do is have you lie to yourself. And one of my other fatal flaws is that I'm honest and will not lie to myself.

[hfojvt]

36. one person's depression is another's statement of reality

In fact, once I told myself that "it was never gonna happen" it made me feel better. So I can relate to this person.

True, I think I have mild Aspergers, but I don't think that is 'fixed' with counselling.

Although, as an Aspie, supposedly I do not know how to relate to people. But yesterday I came to work and a co-worker offered me some cheese, which I refused. At which point, my boss made a derogatory comment about the way I eat, that I only eat junk food, to the laughter of my two other co-workers.

If only I wasn't an Aspie I would know how to publicly mock other people.

[Deja Q]

9. See, nice guys are boring and the relationship-worthy fellas either cheat, steal, or kill.

:shrug:

[tomreedtoon]

25. Exactly. The caveman is an attractive character.

And the reason those Geico commercials and the resulting "Caveman" TV series failed is because the cavemen weren't really cavemen; they were actors wearing caveman facial hair and suburban New York personalities. If they had done something caveman-like, for instance bashing out the brains of a TSA checker who infuriated them, the show would have immense popularity.

Why do you think Republicans like Cheney and Rove have legions of followers while somebody like Dennis Kucinich can't even get arrested? The Republicans are cavemen. The public, like women, go nuts over the people who will hurt, abuse and kill them.

[cali]

29. oh please. most women do not "go nuts over cave men"

that is such offensive bullshit.

[tomreedtoon]

31. You're young, aren't you?

I've seen so many cases of men who lose the good girl to an abuser and outright bastard that I KNOW women want men who will abuse them. I just refuse to be a part of the party everyone else seems to love.

You are young. Life has been good to you. YOU WILL LEARN.

[cali]

32. I'm not young

and my life has had its ups and downs. you're making simplistic declarations about complex dynamics. yes, some women are in abusive relationships. why is the question. and the answer almost certainly has a lot to do with childhood experiences and conditions. But most women aren't attracted to being abused. most women aren't in abusive relationships.

[melm00se]

12. I can hear it now

Some anti-gay marriage zealot is going to scream: "this is what happens when you allow gays to marry!!! Sex with dead people, what's next? marrying a dead person??"

[MrModerate]

15. This is pretty creepy and the responses it's generated pretty creepy in their own right. n/t

[tomreedtoon]

28. It's a creepy world. Get used to it, son.

If you've read anything on DU at all, you know that this is a mild case of creepy by comparison.

[Canuckistanian]

18. Sounds almost exactly like the plot from River's Edge

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River%27s_Edge

Which was in turn inspired by another real-life story of a teen murder where the crime was not immediately reported:
http://www.nytimes.com/1982/01/28/us/around-the-nation-teen-ager-found-guilty-in-concealment-of-body.html

[mitchum]

22. That was my first thought also

[whatchamacallit]

27. Why did I click the link???

lord... :puke: :cry:

[tomreedtoon]

30. Like a bloody car crash, you can't help but look.

You may get sick when you see a severed head or limb and lots of blood, but that doesn't stop you in your rush to get a good look at it.

[DU GrovelBot]

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[proteus_lives]

34. Disgusting!

There be a island to toss all these psychos.

[Ex Lurker]

37. 1. "Teen" implies juvenile. An 18 year old is an adult

the headline should have read "Man had sex with girl's body.

2. This has all the hallmarks of a serial killing. The cops should be looking for any other unsolved cases in the area.