http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/05/13/1930706.aspxPosted: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:09 PM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: Congress, Security, Pete Williams
From NBC's Pete Williams
A former FBI undercover agent who questioned al Qaeda figure Abu Zubaydah told a Senate Judiciary subcommittee today that the most valuable information gained from interrogating him was not produced by using waterboarding or other harsh methods.
Ali Soufan, testifying behind a screen to conceal his identity, said it was his questioning that yielded a breakthrough bit of intelligence -- that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the 9/11 attack mastermind. By contrast, he said, when the CIA's contractors used their harsh methods, including waterboarding, they got nothing because Zubaydah shut down. Soufan said the Justice Department memos incorrectly said that the harsh methods produced that intelligence nugget.
Soufan also said it was his questioning, not the CIA's, that produced information about Jose Padilla. Soufan was ultimately ordered by FBI Director Robert Mueller to take no further part in the interrogation, out of the FBI's concern that the CIA's methods were over the line.