Okay, he didn't use that phrase, but Ali Soufan, testifying UNDER OATH and behind a curtain today says that it was HE thru regular methods of interrogation that got information from Abu Zubaydah and when he was tortured, he stopped giving info.
This information directly contradicts information from the former VP and current war crimes apologist - Dick Cheney!
Here's an recent OP-Ed by Soufan from NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/23/opinion/23soufan.htmlIt is inaccurate, however, to say that Abu Zubaydah had been uncooperative. Along with another F.B.I. agent, and with several C.I.A. officers present, I questioned him from March to June 2002, before the harsh techniques were introduced later in August. Under traditional interrogation methods, he provided us with important actionable intelligence.
Gonzales is also exposed for the sadistic SOB he really is! Here's some info from today's testimony:
Ali Soufan, testifying behind a screen to conceal his identity, said it was his questioning that yielded a breakthrough bit of intelligence -- that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the 9/11 attack mastermind. By contrast, he said, when the CIA's contractors used their harsh methods, including waterboarding, they got nothing because Zubaydah shut down. Soufan said the Justice Department memos incorrectly said that the harsh methods produced that intelligence nugget.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/05/13/1930706.aspx