Iran urges world action on Israeli nukes--(They say turnabout is fair play.)

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Iran urges world action on Israeli nukes

Iran says Israel's undeclared arsenal of approximately 200 atomic warheads is the only obstacle in the way of a nuclear-free zone in the Middle East.

In a Monday address to the third session of the preparatory committee for the 2010 Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty Review Conference in New York, Iranian delegates hit out at the lack of world action on Israel's possession of atomic nuclear weapons -- which can be launched from land, sea and air.

According to the delegates, the Israeli military's indiscriminate and deliberate use of white phosphorus shells against Palestinian civilians shows that “Tel Aviv is not fit to possess nuclear weapons”.

“Israel's nuclear arsenal represents the single greatest threat to countries in the region,” said the delegates, while criticizing the West's hands-off approach to Tel Aviv's development of nuclear weaponry.

“Washington echelons and their European counterparts actually helped equip Israel with nuclear weaponry, in complete violation of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty,” the delegation asserted.

Israel is widely regarded as the sixth-largest nuclear power in the world and the sole possessor of an atomic arsenal in the Middle East. It reportedly houses at least 100 bunker-busting bombs, which come in the form of laser-guided mini-nukes with the ability of penetrating underground targets.

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They say turnabout is fair play.

[movonne]

1. Yes indeed turnabout is fair play...I could never understand how

countries that have them tell other they can't...Cheney and his cabal was dying to use them...I guess because he is about to die he wants to take the world with him...

[The Straight Story]

11. Feel that way about guns myself

Why would a government tell me they can own guns and we can't?

[uppityperson]

2. k&r

[rateyes]

3. K & R

Fair play, indeed!

[WeDidIt]

4. Israel should be Nuke free

I agree.

[Recursion]

5. Ouch

Fair enough point, though.

[Nothing Without Hope]

6. I agree - Tel Aviv is not fit to possess nuclear weapons. n/t

[Jim Sagle]

15. It's because of attitudes like yours that they very badly need nukes.

And BTW, they're keeping them. Ain't nobody going to turn them around.

[DCKit]

18. By your logic, each Palestinian should have a personal nuke as well.

If there was ever anyone in more dire need.... There's a reason it's called "NON-PROLIFERATION".

It's a good thing hypocrisy, by itself, doesn't kill or maim.

[Jim Sagle]

19. No one has threatened to drive the Palestinians into the sea.

So the hyprocrisy is all yours.

[Chulanowa]

21. What's really amazing...

In American politics, we loathe the soundbite, the meme, the spin. We see a commercial from one politician or the other, and we tear it apart at the seams and laugh at the quivering bits, then fill in the gaps with all the things left out of the commercial to educate our companions. We don't regard the ten-second blurb as much more than a target.

HOWEVER...

Once we leave American politics, and start looking at international politics, these same memes, soundbites, slogans, and spin become the absolute meat of the issue. For instance, your statement here.

"No one has threatened to drive Palestinians into the Sea"

(I do believe Ariel Sharon stated an intent to do exactly that, actually. I imagine he said it with a note of irony, of course.)

So, let's say that no, nobody's threatened to drive Palestinians into the sea. So what? What you're saying is that the threat is all that matters. That meaningless words are an ample reason for Israel to have nukes. No doubt you use these feeble ravings from the quite dead Yassir Arafat to excuse pretty much anything from Israel.

It doesn't much matter that the Palestinians are demonstrably incapable of backing up this rhetoric. The fact that the rhetoric exists is all that really matters. Similarly, the actions Israel has perpetrated against the people of Palestine doesn't matter, because there is no rhetoric to go with it.

How weird is that, really? That we demand substance and meaning from our own politics, but will often refuse substance in favor of rhetoric when it comes to international politics? Is it just that we don't really care as much what goes on in other nations?

[Forkboy]

27. You're talking to someone who claimed that Alan (torture is just swell) Dershowitz "rawks"

Tells you all you need to know about Mr. Sagle.

[Chulanowa]

32. No kidding?

Well, I'm a painful optimist.

[Forkboy]

33. No kidding. He won't deny it either, though I wish he would.

:evilgrin:

[Forkboy]

28. Hey, Jim, still sucking up to the torture loving Dersh?

[spanone]

7. well, they do have a point.

[anonymous171]

8. I agree. Neither of them should own nukes.

Both countries are run by batshit insane fanatics.

[sellitman]

9. Israel would have been gone long ago without a deterrent.

I'm sure that would be fine with many here but they won't ever give them up.

[NickB79]

12. So you don't think Israel could defend itself with conventional arms alone?

Odd, because my history books seem to show them wiping the floor with any Arab country that has had the balls to attempt a full-scale war in the past 50 years, all without the use of nuclear weapons.

Even without their nuclear stockpile, their standing army is more than a match for battles against any of their enemies. This is even more true when you consider that no US president would stand idly by and watch Israel be destroyed by an invading force (unless you believe the BS that Rush and Hannity spew).

Their nuclear weapons are pointless to the extreme, and should be disposed of.

[sellitman]

14. Their last War with Hezbollah shows how wrong you are.

It wasn't as one sided as you paint. Surrounded by countries that would all love to see Israel destroyed I am glad they have the deterrent. You can bet they will never give it up.

[hootinholler]

17. Funny that.

When I was riding a Boomer I thought *we* were Israel's deterrent.

:shrug:

Go figure.

-Hoot

[leveymg]

20. I would say it's a Three-Way Deterrence, and has been for years.

Here's something a bit more rigorous on that topic: http://dailykos.com/story/2008/9/23/606257/-Obama-

[justinaforjustice]

10. Iran is Right. Israel is Dangerous.

The U.S. invaded Iraq, claiming among other falsities, that Saddam was trying to build nukes, which he was not. The same neo-conservatives who brought us the Iraq invasion want to attack Iran for wanting a nuclear power for its energy system. Meanwhile, Israel has successfully hidden the nukes it has and our ally, Pakistan, was threatening to use its nukes on India. Meanwhile, the U.S. has more nukes than any other country on the planet. What hypocrisy.

[Pavulon]

13. Incorrect, Russia maintains the largest stockpile..

Israel did not sign the npt. Iran did.

[Jim Sagle]

16. Israel is dangerous? Only to those who intend to destroy it, as everybody damn well knows.

[Chulanowa]

22. Or at least, those who Israel claims intend to destroy it, such as Iran

How the hell do you talk out both sides of your mouth like that?

[Jim Sagle]

23. Iran's leader has expressed a desire to wipe Israel off the map.

[Chulanowa]

25. Of course he has

Well. Except that he's not the leader.
Oh and also, the fact that he's more accurately expressed a desire to see Israel off the map
He also thinks this will be accomplished by a descendant of Mohammed who will descend out of the sky into Mecca, and literally shoots fire from his eyes. Oh, and he flies, too. That Thirteenth Imam is one ninja motherfucker.

So. Yeah. You're telling me that Israel's biggest worry is a guy who's trying to combine all the crazy of Idi Amin, with all the power of a boy scout troupe leader, who's more or less guaranteed to be unemployed by this time next year.

Honestly, if this is Israel's #1 problem, well, I think they got off pretty damn lucky. What's #2, Tel Aviv traffic?

[Jim Sagle]

26. Talk to the hand.

:boring:

[Forkboy]

29. That's a step up from the brain.

[Chulanowa]

30. Really, that's your reply?

Oh. And an emote.

I guess I'll just take those pearls back, then.

[pettypace]

24. apples and oranges

Iran can't believe the world holds them and Israel in the same light.

Out of the two, which country has a history of aggression towards its neighbors....I....oh...




....um...never mind.

[SteelPenguin]

34. responded to wrong post.... nt

nt

[bridgit]

31. fair enough ~

[SteelPenguin]

35. Nobody should have Nukes

Israel shouldn't have nukes. Iran shouldn't have nukes. Russia shouldn't have nukes. China shouldn't have nukes. the U.S. shouldn't have nukes. NOBODY SHOULD HAVE NUKES.

NOBODY.

[mdmc]

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