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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 09:12 AM
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Rape Victims in Texas Forced To Pay For Evidence
http://www.click2houston.com/news/19400415/detail.html

Rape Victims Forced To Pay For Evidence
By Stephen Dean

POSTED: Thursday, May 7, 2009
UPDATED: 8:25 am CDT May 8, 2009

HOUSTON -- Victims of sexual assault are getting bills, rejection letters and pushy calls from bill collectors while a state crime victims' fund sits full of cash, Local 2 Investigates reported Thursday.

"I'm the victim, and yet here I am. I'm asked to pay this bill and my credit's going to get hurt," said a single mom from Houston.

She received bills marked, "delinquent," after she visited a hospital where police told her to have evidence gathered. Officers assured her she would not pay a dime for that rape kit to be handled.

"That was unreal," she said. "I never thought I'd be out anything for what I went through."

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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 09:13 AM
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1. Sue the motherfuckers. Make it very public!
nt
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 09:15 AM
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2. I believe that's what she's doing...making it very public. n/t
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 09:17 AM
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3. Do other victims of crime pay for "evidence" gathering ...
... or is this "special" if one is raped? I think I already know the answer :(

Tell me again why people are hesitant to report this violent crime:sarcasm:
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 09:49 AM
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13. they pay in Wasilla Alaska as well
Sarah is soooo compassionate
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 03:10 PM
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24. state law took care of that
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 04:51 PM
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30. well good for the state
I'm glad that there are humans in Alaska government!
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 10:20 AM
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20. Just another tactic in the
War against Women. Patriarchy fucking sucks.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 09:20 AM
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4. Well it's their fault for being so pushy and insisting on saying "NO"
honestly, that's the message I get from these assholes in Texas.

:grr:
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 10:10 AM
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18. Not just in Texas...
The problem can be found all around the country. I read something about a year ago by a prosecutor who indicated some believe that since there is only an allegation at the time the test is performed that the person making the allegation should pay for the test. That is pretty scary but sums up the reality of our society. Rape and sexual assault is still pretty much a matter of "he said, she said" and usually favors the "he said" pretty much across the board across the country.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 10:32 AM
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21. Sad isn't it
The state should pay for this UNLESS it was proven that the woman was wrong. From time to time there are falso accusations. Those women should pay.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 09:22 AM
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5. Okay, I'm pissed off now...
Let me guess. You have to pay for the rape kit because it's "your fault?"

And a shady debt collector on the phone saying, "We need to discuss your outstanding delinquent balance on your rape kit..."

Marvelous. Remind me to add this to my list of resolutions for next year's state party convention.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 03:54 PM
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25. No because Crime Victim's Compensation drowns them in red tape
the cops are right: the victims SHOULDN'T get the bill. But CVC takes so damn long to process applications & kicks them back for sometimes really stupid stuff. OR the victim wasn't informed she should start a CVC application right away. LE is supposed to hook up the victims with CVC. Most of the time, that happens.

dg
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flyingfysh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 09:23 AM
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6. wasn't some town in Alaska doing the same thing?
I thought I remembered something about this in Alaska, I think Palin was responsible for it. But I'd have to look up the details.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 09:26 AM
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9. Yah - paying for their own rape kits at the hospital, or something like that.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 09:28 AM
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12. Here: Palin's town charged women for rape exams (CNN)
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 09:57 AM
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15. Is this an ad?
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 09:25 AM
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8. Under Rick Perry's and the GOP's governance, Texas is turning into HELL. nt
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 03:55 PM
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26. Amen. n/t
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 09:28 AM
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10. Do they also require 2 male witnesses to prosecute?
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 09:28 AM
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11. Another shining example
Of the Texas legislature high regard for the victims of crime. This only reinforces my total disgust with voters who have all the empathy of Josef Mengele, and the little tin plated power mad assholes they keep voting back into office.

Who wants to make a bet that somewhere down the line these same Texas politicians pass a law to remove the surplus in that fund, and use it for their pet projects?
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 09:55 AM
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14. With Single Payer this goes away.
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 10:03 AM
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16. And the focus of the advocates?
The advocates have been busy with two bills, one of which is a revised bill after a lawsuit was filed, aimed at charging a "fee for admission" at "adult clubs" with the funds going to public education programs. Supposedly. In Texas, funding for one thing quickly becomes funding for another thing. Particularly with a Republican legislature. I believe one is being voted on today.

The focus should be on this. The Victims Assistance Fund. The vast majority of victims, myself included, get little form letters and that's about all they get. And it is not a secret that rape/sexual assault victims in Texas have to pay for evidence testing.

It is easy to blame the Republicans. In reality you can blame the advocates. Their emphasis is on the "titty bar tax" as most call it. Which helps no one but the advocates.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 10:06 AM
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17. So, technically a "rape tax" for the victim?
:wtf:
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 10:13 AM
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19. this is absolutely ridiculous
we all pay for the police. incredible, and WRONG.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 10:34 AM
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22. Man, that's grotesque
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 10:58 AM
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23. I'm not defending this- but don't you get charged for the ER if you get shot?
Is there a distinction to be made here in the nature of the ER visit or services provided?


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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 04:05 PM
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28. Evidence collection versus care.
The ER charges you to fix up your bulletholes, not to take pictures of them and shove your clothes in a bag for the cops.

The point is that the victim should not be charged for the state's business of investigating a crime and collecting evidence, just as you wouldn't be charged for the cops to come out and fingerprint if your home was broken into.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 04:01 PM
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27. The same is true for women in the military who are raped.
Tricare won't pay for rape kits if they go to a civilian hospital to keep it out of military channels.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 04:07 PM
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29. Those of you bashing Texas for this should check the laws in your own states first
Edited on Fri May-08-09 04:10 PM by WolverineDG
From a 2008 article: http://health.usnews.com/blogs/on-health-and-money/2008/02/21/rape-victims-can-be-hurt-financially-too.html

Talk about adding insult to injury. In a story last week in the Raleigh News & Observer, reporter Mandy Locke described the situation in North Carolina, where "the vast majority of the 3,000 or so emergency room patients examined for sexual assaults each year shoulder some of the cost of a rape kit test." A state victims compensation fund intended to help cover the bills is woefully underfunded and had capped payouts for the $1,600 test at $1,000. Since Locke's story ran, "The cap has been lifted," says North Carolina Department of Crime Control and Public Safety spokesperson Patty McQuillan, though she noted that the legislature would still have to provide the additional funds.

...

Knecht says she's recently heard from caseworkers in Illinois, Georgia, and Arkansas reporting that rape victims continue to be charged for their forensic exams.

Apparently, charging rape victims for rape kits is common all across the country, despite federal regulation requiring states to pay for the costs.

Good for NC for acting quickly. :thumbsup:

dg
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